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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 06:28 AM Jun 2014

I think we're going to end up back in a full fledged war in the Middle East.

The U.S. will not stay out of it. It already isn't. And military "advisers" on the ground has generally led to a more robust engagement. I just don't see the U.S. standing by while a contiguous radical Islamic Caliphate is established in parts of Iraq and Syria.

ISIS has had stunning success. Overnight, they captured more territory and 4 towns near or on the border. The Iraq Army, mind bogglingly, is out of hellfire missiles and has only two Cessna aircraft to fire said missiles from.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/iraqi-military-hellfires-battle-isis/story?id=24248493
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/sunni-rebels-seize-more-towns-iraq-2014622542922219.html

The U.S. has boxed itself into a response with years of rhetoric and warnings, with the terror, terror, terror culture and with the pressures always extant by the military-industrial complex.

The American public is strongly against it. President Obama is highly reluctant about it, but like a slow motion crash, we can see it coming.

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I think we're going to end up back in a full fledged war in the Middle East. (Original Post) cali Jun 2014 OP
But... CJCRANE Jun 2014 #1
I think there will be an international coalition cali Jun 2014 #2
Yup yup. Why we have to keep warmongers out of the White House. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #3
On second thoughts... CJCRANE Jun 2014 #4
Sounds more reasonable than getting into another war cali Jun 2014 #5
Putin and Iran will subdue them. Loudly Jun 2014 #6
we sure did a 'heckuva job' training the iraqi army, eh? spanone Jun 2014 #7
A lot of it went to paying Sunnis to stop fighting us and the Shia. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #8
By time... greytdemocrat Jun 2014 #9

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
1. But...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 06:39 AM
Jun 2014

If Isis are such a big threat, then surely there should be a multinational coalition to fight them?

Surely this is a fight between those who agree with secular values including freedom of religion and nondemocratic extremist theocrats?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. I think there will be an international coalition
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 06:43 AM
Jun 2014

It may be skimpy but the U.S. still has the power to pressure and England sure seems like it's ginning up with pol pronouncements about how ISIS will perpetrate terror attacks in Great Britain.

It's a fight about oil and many other things.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
4. On second thoughts...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:26 AM
Jun 2014

Maybe the best bet is to let the Sunnis govern the areas where there is no resistance to ISIS. (They will probably kick out the foreign fighters later on).

Then concentrate on stopping them marching on Shia or Kurdish dominated areas.

So there will eventually be a sort of stalemate.

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
6. Putin and Iran will subdue them.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:14 AM
Jun 2014

Chechyians are Sunni, so Pooty's alignment with the Shia (e.g. Assad) is pretty clear cut.

America can and should sit this out. All embassy and state department personnel out. All military advisers out.

It's an easy call. Sentiment with regard to the fallen-in-vain must be set aside.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
8. A lot of it went to paying Sunnis to stop fighting us and the Shia.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:50 AM
Jun 2014

Once we stopped paying them, and stopped propping up Maliki's army with weapons and training, it all went to shit, because the only thing people seem to care about over there is their respective tribes, always jockeying for positions of power and control, always looking for revenge. If the Sunnis weren't already very disgruntled and alienated, this ISIS group would have had a much harder time taking over.

greytdemocrat

(3,299 posts)
9. By time...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jun 2014

Anyone makes up their mind to do, really DO something,
it will be over.

And that might not be a bad thing.

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