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yellowwoodII

(616 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 03:09 PM Jun 2014

Never Thought I'd Say This--Rand Paul

I sure like what he has to say about Iraq:
As the Islamist militia group ISIS gains new ground in Iraq, capturing four more towns near the Syrian border and barreling towards Baghdad, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is holding strong to his belief that the United States should stay out of the conflict in the region.

On CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, Paul ruled out ground troops in Iraq and said that as president, he would ask Congress before getting involved at all.

"There needs to be a full-throated debate in Congress, and Congress has to decide," Paul said. "Militarily, we could go back in. The surge worked. Obviously, we have the military might and power. But the country as a whole has to decide, do we want to send 100,000 troops in? Are we willing to have 4,500 young Americans die to save a city like Mosul that the Shiites won't even save, that they have fled?"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/22/rand-paul-iraq_n_5519287.html

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Never Thought I'd Say This--Rand Paul (Original Post) yellowwoodII Jun 2014 OP
Fuck Rand Paul EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2014 #1
I agree. Fuck Rand Paul. Even a broken clock is right twice per day. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #9
It's sad, though, that the idiot is right on this and Obama is wrong. Vattel Jun 2014 #11
You think that he is right that the surge worked? Even though he seems to agree with me on the stevenleser Jun 2014 #13
I think he is right that Congress should decide whether we go to war in Iraq. Vattel Jun 2014 #14
The surge was supposed to make Iraq pacified for Democracy. Does it seem pacified to you? nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #16
Well, I suppose you could use that standard to say it didn't work. Vattel Jun 2014 #20
The Surge Worked? lame54 Jun 2014 #2
I noticed that too. Rand Paul is an idiot. arcane1 Jun 2014 #6
Andrew Johnson Calista241 Jun 2014 #23
Broken clocks and all that... Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #3
fuck rand paul is the correct reply... Tikki Jun 2014 #4
He's still a total Randorrhoid asshole, don't be fooled Warpy Jun 2014 #5
A bloody Randorrhoid asshole at that davidpdx Jun 2014 #12
I bet you liked Pat Buchanan, too frazzled Jun 2014 #7
"...the Shiites won't even save, that they have fled?" WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #8
Really? What makes his views more specials than the scores of Democratic leaders? nt Kahuna Jun 2014 #10
That just indicates that Spirochete Jun 2014 #15
Even if he is right, he's at best right for the wrong reasons. mythology Jun 2014 #17
are you the one who was giving Glenn Beck points the other day Skittles Jun 2014 #18
Hahahahahahahahaha MFrohike Jun 2014 #19
"Rand Paul" and "right" in the same sentence. ladyVet Jun 2014 #21
Fuck Rand Paul and his libertarian supporters. FSogol Jun 2014 #22
Fuck Rand Paul. bluedigger Jun 2014 #24

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
1. Fuck Rand Paul
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 03:10 PM
Jun 2014

Even an idiot is right every now and then. Doesn't mean the rest of the horseshit he's shoveling doesn't still stink.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
13. You think that he is right that the surge worked? Even though he seems to agree with me on the
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:38 PM
Jun 2014

idea of staying out, he's wrong in important ways.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
14. I think he is right that Congress should decide whether we go to war in Iraq.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:48 PM
Jun 2014

I don't know whether the surge worked. Why do you think it didn't?

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
20. Well, I suppose you could use that standard to say it didn't work.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 05:54 AM
Jun 2014

It did seem to help pacify things for awhile. But yes, it didn't last.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
23. Andrew Johnson
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jun 2014

Kept the US together after the civil war. His pardoning of confederate soldiers and refusal to set reparations had a lot to do with it. He also didn't exclude the former southern states from decisions.

The fact that the Shia elected al-Maliki president, and he has done his best to ensure Shia supremacy and excluding everyone else cannot be blamed on the surge.

That being said, we gave them a chance at prosperity, if they want to fuck everything up, go right ahead.

Warpy

(111,253 posts)
5. He's still a total Randorrhoid asshole, don't be fooled
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 03:27 PM
Jun 2014

Libertarians (capital L) sound pretty good on non interventionism and civil rights. However, go read the total message some time. It's not pretty. Don't do it after a large meal, especially.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
7. I bet you liked Pat Buchanan, too
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 05:40 PM
Jun 2014

He was also an isolationist against the Iraq War, but not for the reasons any of the rest of us were. Oh, and--like Rand Paul--99% of the rest of what he believes in was racist, homophobic, economically insane, dangerous conspiratorial bullshit.

But go ahead, join the other side if you have only one tiny sliver of thinking to consider.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
8. "...the Shiites won't even save, that they have fled?"
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 05:59 PM
Jun 2014

I guaran-God-damn-tee that if Rand Paul were faced with this:



...he and that thing on his head would flee, too.

I'm fucking sick of doughboys like he and Glenn Beck criticizing the beaten down Iraqi people for not standing up to this:



Fuck them, the architects, and everyone who voted for this fucking war. Oh, and Idiot America sucked in by Saddam's mythical WMDs.



 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
17. Even if he is right, he's at best right for the wrong reasons.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:29 AM
Jun 2014

He's opposed to putting ground troops in because he wants to leverage that to run for president.

But even more fundamentally, he's an isolationist which I think is wrong. While we should use our military far less, we also do a lot of good in the world and if we learned to exert our power in better ways, we could do more good.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
18. are you the one who was giving Glenn Beck points the other day
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:52 AM
Jun 2014

because he admits liberals were right on the Iraq war? Or just another one who is fooled when a rabid repuke is cornered into being rational?

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
19. Hahahahahahahahaha
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:05 AM
Jun 2014

If Rand was president, he'd be shipping soldiers all over the world to protect US business interests. He kisses too much corporate ass to believe otherwise.

In this case, he's making a virtue out of taking a popular stand. Next, he'll come out in favor of apple pie.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
21. "Rand Paul" and "right" in the same sentence.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:51 AM
Jun 2014

I'd ask for whatever it is you're smoking, but I think it's the wrong thing.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
24. Fuck Rand Paul.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jun 2014

We probably both believe in stopping at red lights, too. So fucking what? He's still an isolationist libertarian who happens to sometimes agree with me for all the wrong reasons.

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