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I sure like what he has to say about Iraq:
As the Islamist militia group ISIS gains new ground in Iraq, capturing four more towns near the Syrian border and barreling towards Baghdad, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is holding strong to his belief that the United States should stay out of the conflict in the region.
On CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, Paul ruled out ground troops in Iraq and said that as president, he would ask Congress before getting involved at all.
"There needs to be a full-throated debate in Congress, and Congress has to decide," Paul said. "Militarily, we could go back in. The surge worked. Obviously, we have the military might and power. But the country as a whole has to decide, do we want to send 100,000 troops in? Are we willing to have 4,500 young Americans die to save a city like Mosul that the Shiites won't even save, that they have fled?"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/22/rand-paul-iraq_n_5519287.html
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)Even an idiot is right every now and then. Doesn't mean the rest of the horseshit he's shoveling doesn't still stink.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)idea of staying out, he's wrong in important ways.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)I don't know whether the surge worked. Why do you think it didn't?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)It did seem to help pacify things for awhile. But yes, it didn't last.
lame54
(35,287 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)Kept the US together after the civil war. His pardoning of confederate soldiers and refusal to set reparations had a lot to do with it. He also didn't exclude the former southern states from decisions.
The fact that the Shia elected al-Maliki president, and he has done his best to ensure Shia supremacy and excluding everyone else cannot be blamed on the surge.
That being said, we gave them a chance at prosperity, if they want to fuck everything up, go right ahead.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Tikki
(14,557 posts)...Always...
Tikki
Warpy
(111,253 posts)Libertarians (capital L) sound pretty good on non interventionism and civil rights. However, go read the total message some time. It's not pretty. Don't do it after a large meal, especially.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)He was also an isolationist against the Iraq War, but not for the reasons any of the rest of us were. Oh, and--like Rand Paul--99% of the rest of what he believes in was racist, homophobic, economically insane, dangerous conspiratorial bullshit.
But go ahead, join the other side if you have only one tiny sliver of thinking to consider.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I guaran-God-damn-tee that if Rand Paul were faced with this:
...he and that thing on his head would flee, too.
I'm fucking sick of doughboys like he and Glenn Beck criticizing the beaten down Iraqi people for not standing up to this:
Fuck them, the architects, and everyone who voted for this fucking war. Oh, and Idiot America sucked in by Saddam's mythical WMDs.
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)Spirochete
(5,264 posts)instead of being totally full of shit, he's a pint low...
mythology
(9,527 posts)He's opposed to putting ground troops in because he wants to leverage that to run for president.
But even more fundamentally, he's an isolationist which I think is wrong. While we should use our military far less, we also do a lot of good in the world and if we learned to exert our power in better ways, we could do more good.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)because he admits liberals were right on the Iraq war? Or just another one who is fooled when a rabid repuke is cornered into being rational?
MFrohike
(1,980 posts)If Rand was president, he'd be shipping soldiers all over the world to protect US business interests. He kisses too much corporate ass to believe otherwise.
In this case, he's making a virtue out of taking a popular stand. Next, he'll come out in favor of apple pie.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)I'd ask for whatever it is you're smoking, but I think it's the wrong thing.
FSogol
(45,481 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)We probably both believe in stopping at red lights, too. So fucking what? He's still an isolationist libertarian who happens to sometimes agree with me for all the wrong reasons.