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I believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Spoiler, obviously) (Original Post) BainsBane Jun 2014 OP
Such a good game. redqueen Jun 2014 #1
He's not looking good BainsBane Jun 2014 #2
He's an ass. redqueen Jun 2014 #3
He's carrying a knee injury Ron Obvious Jun 2014 #53
Come on guys! redqueen Jun 2014 #4
You won't believe this, you were alerted on! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #5
0-7 redqueen Jun 2014 #7
:) sheshe2 Jun 2014 #12
It didn't post my comment! William769 Jun 2014 #17
Aw :( Did you use an ampersand? redqueen Jun 2014 #19
Yes. William769 Jun 2014 #23
Fuck, I need a drink. redqueen Jun 2014 #25
Just remember this, if you must drink and drive William769 Jun 2014 #29
Ha, no, I'm at home watching alone. redqueen Jun 2014 #32
To be honest I don't even know what sport is being played. William769 Jun 2014 #38
AHahahahahahahaha! redqueen Jun 2014 #40
Great Jury though William! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #26
Yes it was I am rarely on one that is unanimous. William769 Jun 2014 #33
Well how could we lose William! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #68
Hey William, I was unanimous with you Cha Jun 2014 #93
vengeance alert, IMO... CTyankee Jun 2014 #97
i bet the person doesn't even have interest in the game JI7 Jun 2014 #9
I do believe that you are right, JI7. eom sheshe2 Jun 2014 #22
My god BainsBane Jun 2014 #11
Yup! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #18
Thanks. That is why I didn't put the news in the subject line BainsBane Jun 2014 #20
"Everyone watching the cup knows I Believe is the American chant." redqueen Jun 2014 #27
I have your back BB. eom sheshe2 Jun 2014 #35
Thanks, to both you and William BainsBane Jun 2014 #36
LOL... sheshe2 Jun 2014 #42
Just saw that, Cha too! BainsBane Jun 2014 #45
IMO, immaturity and a mean streak... CTyankee Jun 2014 #98
Certainly the latter. nt BainsBane Jun 2014 #99
I was on that jury and was just coming to post it.. because it was too Funny, she.. Cha Jun 2014 #24
fucking fantastic alert trumad Jun 2014 #28
Going for.. Cha Jun 2014 #50
Well you know they have to crack down on censorship BainsBane Jun 2014 #84
Stupid alert malaise Jun 2014 #34
Gives alerters a Cha Jun 2014 #49
Alerters HAVE a bad name. Many place personal agendas, biases, and feelings above the collective. TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #82
"Team DU - World Police." are a whiny bunch. I never alert.. unless I come across some obvious Cha Jun 2014 #91
LOL Cha! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #39
Now that's funny! Rofl Cha Jun 2014 #46
Not guilty! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #60
Rec :) Cha Jun 2014 #63
... sheshe2 Jun 2014 #64
Oh fucking fucking fucking fuck fuck fuck redqueen Jun 2014 #6
That says it mcar Jun 2014 #81
Fuck BainsBane Jun 2014 #8
My sentiments exactly. redqueen Jun 2014 #58
Well who thinks we can beat Germany? redqueen Jun 2014 #10
A draw will suffice Ron Obvious Jun 2014 #37
Yeah, I saw that. redqueen Jun 2014 #47
Do we have a chance of advancing if we lose to Germany? BainsBane Jun 2014 #69
If Portugal - Ghana doesn't produce a winner... Ron Obvious Jun 2014 #71
Thank you. BainsBane Jun 2014 #73
You're welcome Ron Obvious Jun 2014 #76
Ah no way. redqueen Jun 2014 #78
That's terrible BainsBane Jun 2014 #83
Almost certainly not... Ron Obvious Jun 2014 #85
It looked like it got pulled on its own accord BainsBane Jun 2014 #86
It's a common injury in the sport Ron Obvious Jun 2014 #87
Major bummer BainsBane Jun 2014 #94
if portugal loses does this mean they are out ? JI7 Jun 2014 #13
Yes, but they didn't BainsBane Jun 2014 #16
Oops...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #14
You are mean redqueen Jun 2014 #15
If Ghana and Portugal tie, don't we advance? Yavin4 Jun 2014 #21
Yes. Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #30
I'm not sure BainsBane Jun 2014 #31
The US just needs to avoid losing to Germany Ron Obvious Jun 2014 #44
Easier said that done. They are one of the best teams there. BainsBane Jun 2014 #70
I agree...while we have a fine spirit and good playing, soccer isn't yet ingrained CTyankee Jun 2014 #96
Even if the US is defeated and Portugal wins, they still have bad goal difference jakeXT Jun 2014 #77
You are correct if there is a tie. TexasTowelie Jun 2014 #51
I thought it goes to GD before head-to-head LittleBlue Jun 2014 #57
You are correct. TexasTowelie Jun 2014 #66
Ronaldo comes through at the end! (He's my soccer version of Mugshot Heart-throb, hee.) WinkyDink Jun 2014 #41
Here's a sexy pic for you redqueen Jun 2014 #48
You were saying? ;-) WinkyDink Jun 2014 #52
How do you spell the onomatopoeia for the vomit noise? redqueen Jun 2014 #54
"Blargh!" WinkyDink Jun 2014 #88
airbrushed JI7 Jun 2014 #59
Not one celebrity photo---not one---is published untouched-up. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #90
Okay, now I have to post this BainsBane Jun 2014 #74
Oh, Becks is fiiiine! WinkyDink Jun 2014 #89
Remember when he had that shirtless cover on Vanity Fair? BainsBane Jun 2014 #92
There are no shortage of beautiful men in soccer BainsBane Jun 2014 #72
Scenarios to advance n2doc Jun 2014 #43
Was that done yesterday or today? BainsBane Jun 2014 #56
Yesterday. So the tie with Portugal scenarios apply. n/t n2doc Jun 2014 #62
That means the odds are very different. BainsBane Jun 2014 #67
If Portugal wins, but only by a goal or two Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #75
HA HA HA 2-2 TIE itsrobert Jun 2014 #55
then a few more minutes passed... barbtries Jun 2014 #61
Okay, I like a guy with dreadlocks as much as the next woman BainsBane Jun 2014 #65
is it too early for fake injury videos snooper2 Jun 2014 #79
Hell no, post 'em up! redqueen Jun 2014 #80
I'm not a big soccer fan, but that was devastating. 11 Bravo Jun 2014 #95

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
3. He's an ass.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:49 PM
Jun 2014

And feeling the pressure no doubt as he hasn't gone more than two games without scoring, and he came into this one without scoring in the previous two, and he missed a goal badly earlier on.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
53. He's carrying a knee injury
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:15 PM
Jun 2014

There was considerable doubt about whether he'd be starting today.

He was pretty awful today for most of the game.

sheshe2

(83,728 posts)
5. You won't believe this, you were alerted on!
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:52 PM
Jun 2014

On Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:43 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025136686

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Spoiler.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:50 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh please. An alert for this!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: WTF! Ask her to put "spoiler" in the title. Crappy, vindictive alert.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you're going to watch the game later you shouldn't even be online, let alone on DU.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry.



redqueen

(115,103 posts)
19. Aw :( Did you use an ampersand?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jun 2014

Apparently the rest of the text is lost if one of those is in the text.

William769

(55,144 posts)
38. To be honest I don't even know what sport is being played.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:07 PM
Jun 2014


I just know a bogus alert when I see one.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
97. vengeance alert, IMO...
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jun 2014

too much of this is going on here.

A some point there has to be a correction of the DU system...we see these alerts that get unanimous or near unanimous jury Leaves and it has to raise a red flag. I wonder if this has been raised in ATA...

JI7

(89,244 posts)
9. i bet the person doesn't even have interest in the game
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:54 PM
Jun 2014

but wanted to use it to try to get the person a hide.

sheshe2

(83,728 posts)
18. Yup!
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:58 PM
Jun 2014

I do believe that had more to it than "spoiler" for game results. Another game perhaps?

Glad I could be there BainsBain!

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
20. Thanks. That is why I didn't put the news in the subject line
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jun 2014

so as not to give a spoiler. Everyone watching the cup knows I Believe is the American chant.

Of course it had nothing to do with spoilers. We've had tons of spoiler WC threads.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
27. "Everyone watching the cup knows I Believe is the American chant."
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jun 2014

Yep.

It's so obvious that the alerter is NOT a fan.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
24. I was on that jury and was just coming to post it.. because it was too Funny, she..
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jun 2014

I believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025136686

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Spoiler.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:50 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh please. An alert for this!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: WTF! Ask her to put "spoiler" in the title. Crappy, vindictive alert.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you're going to watch the game later you shouldn't even be online, let alone on DU.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry.

#7 here..

TheBlackAdder

(28,182 posts)
82. Alerters HAVE a bad name. Many place personal agendas, biases, and feelings above the collective.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jun 2014

Censorship is excessive here, as we can see on this thread.


I was on a jury over a week ago when someone posted an innocent quote on a religious thread. A quote that incited thought and reflection. That was jumped on quickly and was hidden by a 4-3 vote. I posted a few comments on a religious thread and I just waiting for them to be taken down for the same reasons - I upset someone, though they were moderately intellectual and on topic.


I chose my posts to reply to because there are certain members who seem to have taken on the role of "Team DU - World Police."

Replying to certain topics will almost certainly gain the wrath of those who don't want challenging thoughts. As such, I do not participate here as much as I would like.



There aren't a lot of members here who seem to act like Mrs. Kravitz from the TV series Bewitched, but it just takes a few. They will complain about some post, write up a halfway believable reason why the post was hurtful and, if a majority of the jurists lean their way... they WIN!

===

I'm a EFF supporter and, while I might not like a post, I would not consider flaging others unless something egregious were written.

I know of at least a half dozen members who should have their flagging privileges suspended for a while. It baffles me that they are allowed to censor, unless they were given some carte blanche approval to do so. There should be a cap of 5 flags a month, no more.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
91. "Team DU - World Police." are a whiny bunch. I never alert.. unless I come across some obvious
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:01 PM
Jun 2014

rw troll who got lost.. but that rarely happens. That 7 to 0 person who alerted this OP won't be alerting for what, 24 hours?

mcar

(42,298 posts)
81. That says it
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:13 PM
Jun 2014

What a finish. The US played so much better tonight. That was just a heartbreaker.

This is why I love this sport. I don't know how anyone could say it's boring.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
37. A draw will suffice
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:06 PM
Jun 2014

Germany will win the group and the US will finish in second place no matter what happens in the other game.

Hard to see that game finish anything other than a draw, really.

Great game, though, for the US!

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
47. Yeah, I saw that.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:10 PM
Jun 2014

Our confidence should be good going in so that's a plus. Still though, it's Germany.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
69. Do we have a chance of advancing if we lose to Germany?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:27 PM
Jun 2014

Portugal and Ghana have each lost one, so if we lose to Germany it goes to numbers of goals?

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
71. If Portugal - Ghana doesn't produce a winner...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:33 PM
Jun 2014

...The US will advance regardless (4 pts vs 2 pts). Portugal have a maximum of 4 points, which the US already have, in which case it would come down to goal difference if they beat Ghana and the US loses. Remember Portugal have a terrible goal difference.

If Portugal beats Ghana by anything but a huge margin, the US would advance even with a small loss to Germany. A big Ghana victory against Portugal would be the worst thing that could happen, but even then a draw will suffice for the US (and Germany would win the group)

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
73. Thank you.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:36 PM
Jun 2014

I appreciate your knowledge. I started watching soccer when I lived in Brazil, basically because I had to. Yet I only finally figured out how off-side works the other day, so I'm not exactly well-versed in the sport. Still, I like it better than other team sports.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
76. You're welcome
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:50 PM
Jun 2014

One of the fascinating things about this sport is the endless permutations of possible results and the dependencies on what happens in other games.

This sport has the smallest margins between ecstasy and despair than any sport I know. I've seen a comfortable situation change to a hopeless one in seconds and vice versa.

The final round of group games will be played simultaneously, btw. This is to avoid any team knowing ahead of time how the other game in the group finished and knowing exactly what they need to do.

This was prompted by the worst game in the history of the sport, Germany - Austria 1982, to which I alluded earlier. Algeria (who had shocked Germany in the opener) had finished their final game and Germany and Austria both knew that a 1 -0 German victory would be enough to see both teams through to the next round when they played. After Germany took a 1-0 lead, both teams just kicked the ball around for 70 minutes without even attempting to disguise what they were doing. I remember turning off the TV in disgust.

We could be in for a scenario exactly like that on Thursday, of course. I'm not saying it will happen, but with the US having a German manager with excellent connections in the German camp....

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
78. Ah no way.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jun 2014

Seriously now that wouldn't happen. I can see both managers being conservative because they both know what they need to do, but that kind of nonsense just won't happen.


Oops and also thank you for the breakdown.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
83. That's terrible
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:34 PM
Jun 2014

And I must say I can't help thinking of Germany and Austria's past alliance.


Will Altidore be able to play in the next game?

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
85. Almost certainly not...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:43 PM
Jun 2014

A hamstring injury usually takes 6-8 weeks to recover. He knew it, that's why he took it so hard.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
86. It looked like it got pulled on its own accord
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:47 PM
Jun 2014

not because the other player did anything. Did I miss something?

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
87. It's a common injury in the sport
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:03 PM
Jun 2014

It's all the sudden twist and turns. Whenever you see a player suddenly collapse with nobody near him, it's very often a hamstring injury.

There's nothing you can do about it. It just takes time to heal, and you don't want to re-injure it by coming back too soon, because that will really aggravate it.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
31. I'm not sure
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:05 PM
Jun 2014

Ghana tied against Germany, so that hurts the US. I don't know the procedures very well.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
44. The US just needs to avoid losing to Germany
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:09 PM
Jun 2014

A draw would give them 5 points, while Portugal and Ghana can only get 4 max.

Doable, I think. Both sides will be happy with a draw.

On edit: math was off.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
96. I agree...while we have a fine spirit and good playing, soccer isn't yet ingrained
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:07 AM
Jun 2014

in us as much as it is in Europeans. Just my gut feeling...

But I look forward to seeing the match and it would be great if we won...

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
77. Even if the US is defeated and Portugal wins, they still have bad goal difference
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:51 PM
Jun 2014

If the United States ties Portugal, then either Ghana or Portugal could finish the group with a maximum of four points (those two countries meet June 26th). If the United States loses to Germany and also finishes with four points, then the Americans would have to rely on goal difference. As of right now, the U.S. have a +1 goal difference, two better than Ghana’s -1 and five better than Portugal’s -4. Assuming the U.S. ties Portugal , the goal difference wouldn’t change, so the U.S. would be hoping that Portugal beats Ghana by a small margin, while also not giving up too many goals to Germany.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/united-states-world-cup-portugal-outcomes-group

TexasTowelie

(112,094 posts)
51. You are correct if there is a tie.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:14 PM
Jun 2014

Current standings:

Germany - 4 pts, +4 on goal differential
USA - 4 pts, +1 on GD
Ghana - 1 pt, -1 on GD
Portugal - 1 pt, -4 on GD

If the USA wins or draws with Germany, then we are in.
If USA loses and Ghana wins over Portugal, then we are in due to our victory in the game we played against them.
If USA loses and Portugal ties Ghana, then we are in.
If USA loses and Portugal wins over Ghana, then they would have to make up the five points in GD.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
57. I thought it goes to GD before head-to-head
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jun 2014

In which case, it's a 2 goal margin and we're playing Germany

TexasTowelie

(112,094 posts)
66. You are correct.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jun 2014

If the USA loses and there is a definitive winner in the Ghana/Portugal game then we would be tied with the winner with 4 points. It would then go to tiebreaker b. Overall, we are stronger in the tiebreakers against Portugal than against Ghana due to the big loss that Portugal had against Germany.

Tiebreakers

a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches

b) goal difference in all group matches

c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches

d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned

e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned

f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned

g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee
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BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
92. Remember when he had that shirtless cover on Vanity Fair?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:04 PM
Jun 2014

I was walking through Walgreen's, spotted it from a ways away, and stopped dead in my tracks. I was breathless. That is the only time a photo had that kind of effect on me. Ten years ago and I still remember it.

And here it is:

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
72. There are no shortage of beautiful men in soccer
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:34 PM
Jun 2014

That's for sure. Ronaldo wouldn't be my personal fav, but to each his or her own.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
75. If Portugal wins, but only by a goal or two
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:50 PM
Jun 2014

And the US doesn't get blown out...US can move on even with a loss

Because Portugal is -4 right now in goal differential.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
65. Okay, I like a guy with dreadlocks as much as the next woman
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:23 PM
Jun 2014

but



Why do they stick out every which way?

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