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Can someone explain why we in Iraq in the first place? NT (Original Post) grahamhgreen Jun 2014 OP
Oil, Oil, Oil question everything Jun 2014 #1
It's funny how you can always get back to WW1 tech3149 Jun 2014 #9
Not necessarily colonialism and imperialism but the disintegraions of empires question everything Jun 2014 #25
Exactly! tech3149 Jun 2014 #29
To win the oil rights for the oil companies liberal N proud Jun 2014 #2
Saddam Husein was seen as a threat to the mid-east Jenoch Jun 2014 #3
Mythical WMDs. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #4
$$$$$$$$$$$$$...nt freebrew Jun 2014 #5
The original neocon plan was to steal the oil, but they botched that like everything else. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #6
I could pscot Jun 2014 #7
Lucrative contracts for U.S. corporations ... (Oh, and fighting for Freedom! Yeah, that's it.) Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #8
honestly, because the vast majority of the country is racist La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #10
For its untold riches, same as with every would-be conquest. in this case, oil, priceless artifacts, WinkyDink Jun 2014 #11
Because it was part of PNAC's grand plan... PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #12
It's becasue it's in "Our Vital National Interests". The coverall answer for imperialism. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #13
(O)peration (I)raq (L)iberation. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #14
This will tell you all you need to know; 2banon Jun 2014 #15
Thanks... Becevich could have been my prof in the 1980s nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #33
To make rich people richer at ANY cost. nt valerief Jun 2014 #16
Insert picture of PNAC here LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #17
Because Saddam blew up the World Trade Center on 9/11... The_Commonist Jun 2014 #18
I remember Colin Powell shaking that vial Lex Jun 2014 #21
Different reasons for different Bush admin members. None of them would pass muster with intl law. stevenleser Jun 2014 #19
Oil and other natural resources sakabatou Jun 2014 #20
Cindy Sheehan spent years looking for that answer. .. riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #22
For what noble cause, do our sons die now? grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #23
They die to defend the residue we are scraping from the crack pipe for one more hit. arcane1 Jun 2014 #27
George Bush was given a coloring book about the crusades for christmas and thought... Drew Richards Jun 2014 #24
Uh, you're asking *us*?!1 n/t UTUSN Jun 2014 #26
Dubya GP6971 Jun 2014 #28
Oil production has peaked. We should be exploring our other options, struggle4progress Jun 2014 #30
G.W.B. wanted to do what his dad did not do, take down Saddam. oldandhappy Jun 2014 #31
Bush II trying to one-up Bush I Skittles Jun 2014 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author moondust Jun 2014 #34
Because... PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #35
Oh right, 16 Saudis attacke us on 9-11, so we attacked Iraq. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #37
Oil and... GOLGO 13 Jun 2014 #36

question everything

(47,436 posts)
1. Oil, Oil, Oil
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:59 PM
Jun 2014

and, I suppose, be close to Iran. And, if needed, protect the Gulf kingdoms.

This is why the Brits, after WWI drew the maps so arbitrarily. To have access to the oil fields. They were the ones who laid the oil pipes in the first place, all the way to the Mediterranean.


tech3149

(4,452 posts)
9. It's funny how you can always get back to WW1
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:27 PM
Jun 2014

It's true, all the regional conflicts seem to center on areas that were the subjects of colonialism/imperialism. I know it goes much farther back than that but that seems to be the breaking point.
My go to analogy is we have to learn to stop pissing in other peoples sandbox before we don't have so many enemies in the world.

question everything

(47,436 posts)
25. Not necessarily colonialism and imperialism but the disintegraions of empires
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:35 PM
Jun 2014

There were many tribes - really, this is what they were/are - in the Ottoman Empire. And they lived next to each other more or less at a peaceful co-existence. But Britain and France drew arbitrary borders and declared them states. In Iraq, they put the Sunnis and the Shiites and the Kurds in one country. And they installed the two sons of Sharif Hussein as kings in Trans Jordan and Syria. When Syria was given to the French, the kings was transferred to Iraq. From there, many claim stemmed the mistrust of the West.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
29. Exactly!
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:51 PM
Jun 2014

All of the attempts of the western nations to exploit other nations and their misguided actions fomented divisions that we live with today. Your response shows that you have a more detailed understanding of the issues than I but the effects are so similar whether discussing South America, Central America, Africa, or the Middle East. When another nation tries to exert undue influence they will be seen as enemies.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
4. Mythical WMDs.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:03 PM
Jun 2014

Spread free-dumb and democracy.
Saddam gassed his own people.
Revenge for 9/11.
Fight them there, so we don't have to fight them here.

But really, because O(il) I(srael) L(ogistics).

And because war is a racket.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
10. honestly, because the vast majority of the country is racist
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:28 PM
Jun 2014

and therefore it is very easy for politicians to goad us into wars against people of color.

and the war itself was convenient for many reason: oil, halliburton, the general war machine that benefits, a distraction from domestic policies etc.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
11. For its untold riches, same as with every would-be conquest. in this case, oil, priceless artifacts,
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jun 2014

and the non-compete contracts to re-build what we destroyed.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
33. Thanks... Becevich could have been my prof in the 1980s
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:39 AM
Jun 2014

he, unlike Becevich, a graduate of West Point and who lost a son in the latest Iraq adventure, was a veteran of another of our alphabet soups. He was a Right Winger but never saw the "muscular use of force" as the solution or a religious item. I am betting those who have seen the results first hand...

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
18. Because Saddam blew up the World Trade Center on 9/11...
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jun 2014

...in his effort to kill Poppy Bush, using weapons of mass destruction made from vials of Niger Yellowcake!

I mean c'mon! Isn't it obvious?

Lex

(34,108 posts)
21. I remember Colin Powell shaking that vial
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jun 2014

and showing enlargements of pictures of where the WMDs were going to be found. ALL those assholes should be in jail.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
19. Different reasons for different Bush admin members. None of them would pass muster with intl law.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jun 2014

Oil, spreading Democracy, ludicrous belief it would allow the US to control the Middle East, guaranteeing a 2nd term for 'W', all of these, IMHO were reasons that one or more Bush admin members had in mind.

Drew Richards

(1,558 posts)
24. George Bush was given a coloring book about the crusades for christmas and thought...
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jun 2014

"yeah we havent had one of those lately."

GP6971

(31,111 posts)
28. Dubya
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:44 PM
Jun 2014

showing up Dad......finishing what his Dad didn't. All the other legitimate reasons cited here are just smoke screens for Dubya trying to one up his father.

struggle4progress

(118,234 posts)
30. Oil production has peaked. We should be exploring our other options,
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:53 PM
Jun 2014

but it's in the interest of various existing companies to pump the world dry, since that doesn't require immediate changes in their behavior. Those folk want us to project US military power in the Middle East, as part of maintaining the status quo. That's why we invaded Iraq under former oilman GHWB and under his son GWB. GHWB didn't develop political support for the project and had to pull out. GWB constructed wide political support, not only by tying the invasion to the 9/11 attacks, but also by buying corporate support by offering lucrative unmonitored contracts. The object of the GWB-gang was to destabilize the entire Middle East and then to escalate. The destabilzation project didn't have all desired effects in the GWB years but it was, unfortunately, partly successful in the longer term. And large-scale military operations require establishing logistical systems and operational goals which together possess enormous political inertia. So it's been politically difficult to leave Iraq, and some of the deliberately-induced deterioration of the situation there contributes to the difficulty of leaving

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
31. G.W.B. wanted to do what his dad did not do, take down Saddam.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:11 AM
Jun 2014

So number one is ego.
Number two is history as several have stated above. I recommend a book Desert Queen by Janet Wallach which shows the lead up the the U.K. drawing the lines which are now country borders in the middle east.

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PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
35. Because...
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:42 AM
Jun 2014


Fight them there so they don't fight us here. Remember?

What are you, a terrorist? Why would you question such a thing?
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