Yep. That's what some of us have been saying for years.

We sure are Manny...Every single time we sit out the vote!!! Or fail to vote Dem~

Which is why elected Democrats need to act in ways that inspire.

What has changed, and why this nation is in crisis, is that corporate Democrats no longer function as the opposition party to stand *between* Americans and the predatory, antidemocratic policies that corporatists have long wanted to implement. Both parties are now working for corporate interests, and the agenda we get now, even under a Democratic administration, includes the following:

signing NDAA to allow indefinite detention,
"Kill lists" and claiming of the right to assassinate even American citizens without trial
Abuse of the Espionage Act to target whistleblowers and journalists
Opening of new loopholes to shift costs from health insurance companies to patients
Appointment of crony corporatists and Republicans to important positions throughout the administration
Severe lack of transparency, to the point of refusing to disclose which countries we're at war with, hiding massive trade agreements in progress, refusing to respond to FOIA requests, defense of secret laws, secret courts, etc., etc...
Secret trade memos calling for more offshore drilling and fracking
Bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks (with personal pressure from Obama to attorneys general to approve them),
Refusal by Obama's DOJ to criminally prosecute even huge, egregious examples of bank fraud (i.e, HSBC)
EPA assault on renewable fuels
Advocacy of multiple new trade agreements, including The Trans-Pacific, otherwise known as "NAFTA on steroids," that have been repeatedly described as more about corporate control than trade.
Mass surveillance and storage of American's telephone, internet, phone, and email activities.
Support of legal immunity for telecoms/warrantless wiretapping
Militarized police departments, through federal grants
Collusion with Republicans to weaken the surveillance bill and proactive efforts to extend mass surveillance
Plans to boost US military presence in Europe
Massive expansion of US military presence in Africa
Plan to arm Syrian rebels
Plan to reenter Iraq
A renewed public advocacy for the concept of preemptive war
Drone campaigns in multiple countries with whom we are not at war
Proliferation of military drones in our skies
Federal targeting of Occupy for surveillance and militarized response to peaceful protesters
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for warrantless surveillance
Fighting all the way to the Supreme Court for strip searches for any arrestee
The murder of net neutrality and handing over of the internet to corporate control
Supporting and signing Internet-censoring and privacy-violating measures like ACTA
Support for corporate groping of Americans seeking to travel
Marijuana users and medical marijuana clinics under assault,
Skyrocketing of the budget for prisons.
Corporate education policy including high stakes corporate testing and closures of public schools
Adoption of corporate rating systems for colleges, "like rating a blender"
Entrenchment of exorbitant for-profit health insurance companies into healthcare, through mandate
Legal assault on union rights of hundreds of thousands of federal workers
New policies of targeting children and first responders in drone campaigns,
New policies of awarding medals for remote drone attacks,
Appointment of private prison executive to head the US Marshal's office
Massive escalation of federal contracts for private prisons under US Marshal's Office
Support for opening interstates to tolling
Support of drilling, pipelines, and selling off portions of the Gulf of Mexico

Always the same post. D=R R=D.

Seriously?

Don't sweat it. The in-crowd knows who you are. And we also know that you are absolutely fabulous darling.

No matter what there is one group here who constantly use the same BS talking points no matter what. The president has accomplished a hell of a lot since he took office, but for some here they can never see how much good he has done, only the bad. For the life of me I sometimes think they would be happier with a president McCain or Romney, even though things would be a million times worse in this country if that were the case. I just can't understand their agenda.

No matter who democrats put into the WH, if we don't have a congress that will support them and their goals, nothing will ever change. Why can't people understand that? Elections are how we make changes, being a spreader of "doom and gloom" and spreading the meme that if we don't get those who can pass the "purity test" elected we might as well give up, is never a good idea.

I am still waiting for all these nay sayers to actually explain how not voting helps us get change of any kind.

Party"...and went where, exactly? Hard to keep reading after this spin.

Progressives abandoned the party because the party no longer represents them, at all.

registered green in 1998, and still trying to support the party. it is getting harder and harder....and this is not even as hard as it was, once upon a time.

So yes they left the party.

i have been a member of the green party since 1998; i have yet to vote for anyone except the least objectionable person since then...that always means a democrat. IF the party bosses or any other idiot "strategists" believe democrats can win without a core constituency, i invite them to keep trying. they moved to the right because they are pathetic cowards who lack conviction, not because a core constituency abandoned them in search of ponies and lollipops they moved to the right to win elections, and they did that because they are cowards who cannot seem to stand up to the GOP...so they usurped their ideas instead. And the party is complicit in all the ills visited upon us, including NAFTA, welfare reform, the Iraq war, and the great Wall ST Theft. the party power brokers need to get their heads out of their asses. not-republican may placate some for a short time, but not many for a long time. hint: it has been a long time.

Stop implementing their policies. Stop treating them as adversaries - they are the enemy.

TPP - dead in the water without a $15 minimum wage, no exceptions
XL pipeline - dead
DOJ - Open prosections on Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and Rove - this week
BLM - Give Bundy 30 days notice to vacate the public land before forcibly evicting him, and shoot dead anyone who points a gun at a Fed

Our problem won't get solved as long as the DC Dems serve the Repukes instead of us

Although many have agreed with me when I say this, it is damn nice to see someone else post it, especially when they put it better than I do!

I only have 2 things to add to fix the problem:
Complete Campaign Finance Reform and
Publicly Funded Elections!

I couldn't agree more, GOTV in 2014!

Look at what the Supreme Court has done with republicans dominating the court. Is that what people here who seem to push the "don't vote because both parties are the same" want to see? How can anyone in their right mind want to take a chance that some idiot like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, or another Bush gets elected because people stayed home and didn't bother to vote?

There are a million reasons to vote, and vote for the democrat, no matter who might end up as the nominee. This goes for every race from local levels to state and national races, they all count, and they all are important. Anyone who sits home on their ass because they candidate they wanted to win didn't so they plan on "teaching" the party some kind of lesson, needs to take a deep look just what it could mean for them, and the entire country. Anyone who actually thinks that it would be better for the "crazies" to win then the next election because then the country would see just how bad things are and "maybe" then "real" liberals would get elected really need to seek help because if that did happen, and the crazies like Paul, Cruz, etc did take over at all levels from local to state and national we may never be able to dig ourselves out of the mess these people would make of this country!

How can any sane person not understand that any democrats would be a million times better than any republican. Does anyone really think that this country would have been better if McCain or Romney were in office? Look at how much George W. did to destroy this country in his 8 years in office. It will take many, many years to fix the mess he and his bad of right wing morons got us into. Do we really think that allowing another right wing nut case to take "any" office in this country is a good idea?

Thank you.

If they refuse to vote or refuse to vote Dem then they have no one to blame but themselves.

Everything does take time, and defeating the right wingers and crazy tea baggers has to be done, it's not an option. One step at a time, one day at a time, one vote at a time, and one win, that's how we defeat them. Every time we let them win because our voters stay home, we fall back a step and then it takes two more steps to get back on track. We can't afford to keep going backwards, we have to go forward and make sure we keep moving forward.

So many Obama supporters are ridiculed here, they say we are Bots out of touch with reality. However they are the ones that believe that Obama can snap his fingers and make it so. It could/ should have been done yesterday, simple as that! No, change doesn't happen that way. Look at the hard fight for decades for women and AA.

At least we understand that he has no magic wand and can not make certain changes without the help of congress.

Change is baby steps.

Your post...

How they can make comments about how the president should not have "caved" on single payer". There was never a chance in hell that single payer could pass, but for them I guess the "all or nothing" attitude, pretty much the same attitude as the tea party nuts, is the way to go. Stand your ground and refuse any kind of compromise, again just like the tea party nuts, and who cares if we get NOTHING in return. Where would we be today if that had happened? Worse off than we were with no help for those who could not afford health care, and insurance companies INCREASING premiums and refusing people who have pre-existing conditions, or finding any way they can to not pay claims to those who paid for years into the system.

Democrats need to show the country they care, and that they will do all they can to make change, even if it's slow. We can't do that if we act the same way as republicans and get nothing done.

The right will not even compromise on basic centrist policies. You do have to compromise at times to get things done. Otherwise, we would be just like the tea party terrorist whom literally will not compromise on anything. They have ground the process to a halt and have not accomplished anything. Unfortunately, it appears to be working with Americans because they have just become disgruntled and then blame the party that is in power. I do not want a party that is just the opposite of the tea party.

Most of its money probably comes from corporatist libertarians, who want to eliminate government regulation of wages, health and safety issues, environmental issues, and so on. But there aren't enough of those people to win elections. So they've needed to cobble together coalitions to win. Nixon in 68 figured he could grab the Southern racists; Reagan in 80 moved first to hold onto the racists, then set out to grab the social conservatives; by the time Bush and Rove wandered into the fight, the game involved careful bean-counting and outreach to all manner of disaffected wacko groups. But to reach out to the weirdos, they've had to adopt ever more extreme positions. The episode, not that long ago, when we had much of the US House bending over backwards to placate Rush Limbaugh, shows how ingrained their habit of extremist posturing has become. But the habit is unsustainable because it costs them support in the center. The recent round of gerrymandering nationwide, and the moves toward voter suppression, suggest that they don't think they can win fair elections in the future

The current situation is quite dangerous IMO. There are thoughtful and rational Republicans, who have a commitment to populist centrist government: I strongly disagree with many of their views, but I'm uncomfortable that they have nowhere to go. None of the short-term outcomes look particularly hopeful to me. Disaffected Republicans could become a major source of propaganda-in-favor-of-political-apathy, which (considering the serious problems we face as a nation) might be quite unfortunate: such very lazy analysis always has some chance of catching on. Democrats could continue reaching out to disaffected Republicans, as has been done piecemeal for many years, but that strategy is likely to move the Democratic party to the right, so that the political center is defined by a Republican party controlled by Teapots and a Democratic party containing many former Republicans. If the Republican party doesn't split, its internal conflicts are likely to manifest as increasingly desperate moves to retain some power; and this suggests that the next Republican administration we get will be much worse than the last one we had

I agree that we should help the GOP tumble down into the ditch, if we can: I think they've been begging for it for years. And so we should always be willing to point out how crazy they are. But we need more than that