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Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 07:14 PM Jun 2014

Wouldn't you?




When Winston Churchill was asked why he supported social programs and the government funding of the arts during WWII his response was "if we don't support those things then what are we fighting for?"

Brilliant response - from a conservative no less!
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Wouldn't you? (Original Post) Playinghardball Jun 2014 OP
K&R.... daleanime Jun 2014 #1
K Offe, Gaza Strip Utah/Nevada Playinghardball Jun 2014 #2
Thanks! daleanime Jun 2014 #4
Agreed, but without stability we can't have those things. Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #3
True... daleanime Jun 2014 #5
What does that mean? Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #6
That your precious 'stability' could be purchased..... daleanime Jun 2014 #7
Your tone sucks. Nt Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #10
Shucks..... daleanime Jun 2014 #11
What evidence is there that a strong military provides stability? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #15
While Republicans are delighted to dump their paychecks into the war machine. Kablooie Jun 2014 #8
Photo image ErikJ Jun 2014 #9
I propose that we all get to make exactly this decision! DesertDiamond Jun 2014 #12
K&R ReRe Jun 2014 #13
IMHO, those who support wars are getting a paycheck of some kind from the MIC. freshwest Jun 2014 #14
 

Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
2. K Offe, Gaza Strip Utah/Nevada
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 08:06 PM
Jun 2014

I’d rather pay my taxes for benefits to the unemployed, food stamps for the working poor, education and free healthcare for all, than one red cent for manufactured wars.”…K Offe, Gaza Strip Utah/Nevada

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Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
3. Agreed, but without stability we can't have those things.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 08:13 PM
Jun 2014

Trumped up wars aside, a stong military provides stability.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
7. That your precious 'stability' could be purchased.....
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jun 2014

with a vastly smaller amount of blood and money then the U.S. is currently losing.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
15. What evidence is there that a strong military provides stability?
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:17 AM
Jun 2014

And by what definition do you use the term stability?

Kablooie

(18,610 posts)
8. While Republicans are delighted to dump their paychecks into the war machine.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:09 PM
Jun 2014

As long as many Americans remain broke, ill, hungry and ignorant they are happy.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
14. IMHO, those who support wars are getting a paycheck of some kind from the MIC.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:14 AM
Jun 2014

Because I've never met anyone who supports them ferverently that is not expecting prosperity from the various things that war creates for some people.

An example is this article by the NYT... Think of all that money:

The Pitfalls of Peace

The Lack of Major Wars May Be Hurting Economic Growth


by Tyler Cowen - JUNE 13, 2014


Nikita Khrushchev and East German leaders with a Sputnik 3 replica in 1959. Credit Bettmann/Corbis

The continuing slowness of economic growth in high-income economies has prompted soul-searching among economists. They have looked to weak demand, rising inequality, Chinese competition, over-regulation, inadequate infrastructure and an exhaustion of new technological ideas as possible culprits.

An additional explanation of slow growth is now receiving attention, however. It is the persistence and expectation of peace.

The world just hasn’t had that much warfare lately, at least not by historical standards. Some of the recent headlines about Iraq or South Sudan make our world sound like a very bloody place, but today’s casualties pale in light of the tens of millions of people killed in the two world wars in the first half of the 20th century. Even the Vietnam War had many more deaths than any recent war involving an affluent country.

Counterintuitive though it may sound, the greater peacefulness of the world may make the attainment of higher rates of economic growth less urgent and thus less likely. This view does not claim that fighting wars improves economies, as of course the actual conflict brings death and destruction. The claim is also distinct from the Keynesian argument that preparing for war lifts government spending and puts people to work. Rather, the very possibility of war focuses the attention of governments on getting some basic decisions right — whether investing in science or simply liberalizing the economy. Such focus ends up improving a nation’s longer-run prospects.


More of that reasoning here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/upshot/the-lack-of-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth.html?_r=1

Not my view, but some may want to chew on that a while. There are a number of hyper charged individuals who live well off the various instruments of war, from the weapon makers and the attending industries. Just like the smaller businesses that are supported by the major car manufacturers.

The armed forces are among the biggest, if not the biggest users of fossil fuels. Also of high technology research and manufacturig, and that precedes the products used by consumers. Their contractors make a lot of things and innovate more than most other industris.

Supporters may disguise their vote by religion and ideology, but it's really about who and what feather their own nests. It's almost subconscious. This is part of human nature, but some are working to live with less and live in peace. Others are not ready to take that risky journey.

Just sayin'


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