How the hell would Chelsea know what it's like to be without money and make any kind of judgement on that.

she really needs to learn PR because you're absolutely right -- it's easy to not care about money when you know that you have access to a reservoir of it.

If you don't know how you are going to pay your rent, suddenly, money is the most important thing in the world...

I can take almost anything that happens to me, but something that affects my offspring adversely about kills me.

Thank heaven, food and shelter and medical care have never been issues for us/him, but, if they were, I would do whatever it took. I might even knock over a convenience store.

So that to them the word "money" means something very different from what it means to most people. They have an amount of money that most people would think of as great wealth, but because they live among even richer people, they think of themselves as just regular folks and not particularly affluent.

It isn't just them, of course, it's the culture of our ruling elite.

I'm not knocking her, so just chill out. I hope that she feels blessed and does some good in the world.

I think I could be a bit more blase about cash if I had 15 mill.

easy shit to say. Let's see you give up some of those things that the money you don't care about buys you, dearie.

Until there isn't enough to pay the electric bill or the fridge is empty.

it's easy not to "care about money" when you've never, not once in your ENTIRE LIFE, had to worry about money

look, I like Chelsea Clinton - I think she has grown up to be a lovely, intelligent young woman, but these wealthy folk just need understand how ridiculous they sound when they say they don't care about money - I mean, WTF - it's insulting to a lot of people

she'd do better keeping her mouth shut on this topic. smh ...

+1

and what does that have to do with the op? do tell, hon.

just saying.

just saying, pal.

I'll gladly take a million or two.

She's turned out to be every bit as shallow as the bush twins.

and is worth millions sounds tone deaf talking about how she tried to care about money? Particularly in light of her taking 600 grand for doing practically NOTHING on NBC?

and the price tag her name commands isn't the problem. It's almost something you can't help unless you're into renouncing your good fortune. But I think you have a point when it comes to spending less of that money on herself. There's no reason for a 10 million dollar house.

You seem bitter and jealous.

look, I grew up in privilege- considerable privilege. New Canaan Ct. The most elite private day schools and prep schools and I said that exact same thing- that I didn't care about money when I was in my early twenties. It was easy for me to say- I didn't have to work (I did). I had money to live on very comfortably. And then I realized how clueless it was to prattle on about that when I didn't have to worry about money.

It isn't about her not caring about money, it's about her not obsessing about money. She feels she has a different calling than just joining the financial sector and reaping huge profits. Good for her.

she said something very immature and utterly clueless- even in context. that is the point.

Where will they get money to keep the heat on? Where will they get money to buy food? Where will they get money to buy their children clothes?

Just like her mother, she comes across as clueless and self aggrandizing.

They need the Pope's PR team. Now, that's putting lipstick on a pig ...

But she isn't into money so much like the Kochs that she'd destroy millions of lives and the planet just to get more. So she's okay, I won't get on her case in knee jerk fashion.

Money represents energy and hoarding kills that. Wealth is just the means to an end an not the end itself. Life is short, and should be meaningful. I think she sees this. I agree with this quote:

Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential.

~ Barack Obama

I think that's what she's going to do, although I doubt she'll ever have the level of influence that her parents have had. After conservatives said she should be killed as the 'spawn' of Hillary, I suspect she wants a quiet life.

You don't want a quiet life when you go on-air on a major network for $28,000 a minute.

I wish I had the luxury. Too troubling to the 'beautiful mind' class to bother themselves with?

Um, is Mark Penn running this PR campaign? Just a thought...

tra-la-la

realized that she was rich. She said how she walked into Crate and Barrel and thought to herself how she could buy whatever she wanted. She went on to talk about how being rich takes thinking about money off the table and gives you the luxury to think about all your other problems. I have never liked Oprah, but I think she makes a valid point. When you have millions of dollars, you don't have to spend anytime thinking about it.

Chelsea isn't a bad person, she just seems to take her privilege for granted.

Because while I agree that Chelsea clearly does not understand how very much she has, she can't help it that she doesn't get it. Back when Bill was first President I can recall Hillary complaining about how little they had, that they'd been just scraping by in Arkansas because the state didn't pay its Governors very much and they were forced to live on what she made as a lawyer. I think I knew at the time about what those figures were, and they weren't trivial. But it didn't put the Clintons in the same ballpark as some big players they hung out with. Chelsea has grown up inside a great deal of privilege which has been largely invisible to her. When you live in the White House because your dad is the President, you simply don't have any money issues whatsoever, even though you are nowhere near the richest family out there.

Your Oprah anecdote is spot on. I also recall some years ago Roseanne Barr rather bitterly complaining that people thought that just because she had a lot of money people seemed to think she had no problems any more. And I'm not at all a fan of Roseanne, but she's right. She just didn't have any real money problems any more.

I can also recall reading years ago that most Americans tended to think they were worse off then they were because they almost invariably compared themselves to those a little farther up the economic ladder. It's hard not to, especially in the very vast middle, by which I mean everyone not in dire poverty to those not above the top 10%. For one thing, especially for those in the lower two-thirds or so of the income ladder, almost everyone watches TV and goes to movies, and so we see ads telling us there's something wrong with us if we don't own all these wonderful things. On TV shows and in movies people rarely actually live as those of their supposed social economic status actually would. But reality is glossed over to make the show or movie more interesting, and people get a totally unrealistic idea of how they should live.

Most of us spend all that we earn and often a little more. If we get a raise we buy more things or a bigger house or a newer car. Not everyone, of course, but it's an easy trap to fall into, because people admire the nice house, the new car, the fashionable clothes, and so on. It's considered ill mannered to talk about exactly how much is in the 401k, or how gratifying it is to retire early with no financial concerns by foregoing the spending. Nope. We're encouraged to want more things. And so Hillary Clinton lives in an amazing mansion and can still consider herself not all that well off. She's a lot like most of us, only with a whole lot more money, even if she doesn't really get it.

relate to most Americans.

Same with Bush daughters. Maybe Carter's Daughter Amy..was of a different time ....but, these days it's all about "Getting Ahead" and "Celebrity" and Chelsea is caught up in that with her $10 mil Apartment in Manhattan and her jobs that only her continuing "SECURITY" as President's Daughter allow her.

President's kids...these days have tough lives...but the PTB make the Perks Worth It..

We'd all be happier if she went to Africa or another impoverished area and wore the same clothes day after day and wore flip flops doing GOOD for EMERGING NATIONS.

Instead her Husband works for Wall Street and she is a Celebrity Privileged daughter of two POWERFUL Political Figures.
It IS WHAT IT IS and she follows the Bush Girls .....so, way back ..Margaret Truman made money off of writing "Mystery Series about Washington Politics" and the Eisenhower Girls went off on their own along with the Nixon Girls. We don't hear much about THEM...but, in our CELEBRITY CULTURE....President's Daughters are ENTITLED if you are a BUSH OR CLINTON. TIMES HAVE CHANGED.

Trip to georgia he would have sair similar.........so?

old bean.

It has to do with her being utterly tone deaf just like mom.

And if she didn't care about money and cared soooo much about her work ethic, the darling shouldn't have taken 28,000 a minute for doing virtually nothing on NBC.

pious, self-righteous shit.

You don't think he enjoyed being affluent?

Or are you denying that he was?

"self-righteous indeed"

In September 1896, at age fourteen, Franklin entered Groton School, a small boarding school in Massachusetts which prepared sons of wealthy and prominent families for college. Before entering Groton, Franklin had a series of governesses and tutors.

I'm claiming he wasn't a tone deaf git. got it, honey?

As the story goes....he had an epiphany seeing the poverty that those at the Hot Springs in Georgia lived in....so....

tone deaf indeed!!!!!



(Protip...and I am not your "honey" that is sexist to call a woman that in a discussion of this sort.....)

Do you think he was always "so in touch" with how the other half lives?


You ideologues really need to get a grip and realize we elect humans flaws and all. They ate not saints....you shouldnt be expecting them to walk on water at all times.....or there is that other conclusion we could draw...

Don't beat around the bush. FDR didn't.

agitprop.....pfffffffttttt!

and yes, I got your not clever insinuation, hon.

It must be so difficult being a scion of the 1%, my heart is breaking for the poor child.

eom

was the straight-faced attempt to paint her parents, Hillary and Bill Goldman Sachs Clinton, as the uncorrupted, value-centered, money-eschewing environment that she had to rebel against.

Oh. My. Word.

This is true.

Look, I like the Clintons. I think Hillary is saying a lot of silly things leading up to her run in the primaries, but... still like the ole family.

I'm willing to forgive this particular Chelsea statement as speaking before thinking. It does sound affected. If you have enough money you don't need to care about it at all. I get it. I grew up in a wealthy town and there were tons of people with that attitude.

Each and every Clinton needs to simply shut up about money, other than maybe some rote response along the lines of 'We've got the privilege of never again needing to worry about money, but we know that isn't the case for the vast majority of our fellow citizens, and we want to help lift all of our fellow citizens who live paycheck to paycheck, or simply aren't even receiving paychecks.'

if s/he has a shit ton of the stuff.

Those of us who aren't children of the rich and famous are forced to care about it a great deal.

For goodness sake, stop the Chelsea bashing. Jesus Christ.

"When I was poor and I complained about inequality people said I was bitter. Now I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite" - Russel Brand

that's about it. she's benefited hugely from her position and she has put herself in the public eye.

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She completed a Masters Degree in Public Health at Columbia University. While at Columbia she won an award for "her work in advancing a new model of integrating interfaith and cross-cultural education into campus life." She speaks well about her mother.

She seems like a fine young person and I'd be proud of her if she was my child.

for sure.

But, I think she's comported herself, mostly, with class and dignity while growing up in the public eye. And she seems like she has ambition and drive. I respect those things.

But, she should probably think before she speaks in instances like this. She and Hillary are not helping the public's perception of them as "just one of us."

the Clinton family seems to feel the need to poor-mouth, when they're all each worth 8 figures.

They need some advisor/publicist to tell them to knock off the faux populism attempts, simply acknowledge that they're wealthier than all but some tiny fraction of the populace, and instead talk about lifting other people out of poverty.

That doesn't make them heroes or villains. But they don't have to sell their belongings and travel the world in sackcloth to demonstrate their humanity to me. Shit, I've had some leftists bust my chops because I own a house and have a job as an engineer. My house is under water by a mile and both me and my wife drive 20 year old cars. Some people say I'm "rich" and don't understand the plight of the poor.

I don't think Chelsea Clinton is the right target to look at to make a point about privilege and poverty.

It's like Christian sects arguing over whether Jesus owned the robe he wore or something.

There are a hell of a lot of people who have tons of money who only seem to care about getting tons more money. Think of all the Republican super donor billionaires for example. Think of all the people who employ lobbyists to fight for massive tax loopholes so they can become even more wealthy.

By the time Chelsea came of age she had money, it was a given. She did nothing to either deserve or not deserve that fate. I far prefer that she not be obsessed with accumulating more vast wealth than that she fall into the hyper greed trap. I honestly don't expect her to ever truly understand what it is like to be forced to survive on Walmart wages, how could she possibly? I do hope however that she feel compassion for the plight of those far less well off than her, and I think that she does.

2) her husband has his own hedge fund.

One would think though that as smart and savvy as this family is that they would be ahead of the curve on this issue and be a little more artful in the way they address this issue. As it is the manner in which HRC and now Chelsea are responding to money questions is showing a good deal of tone deafness and providing plenty of ammunition for detractors.

It's not like this is a new issue. Unless, of course, you are too proud to acknowledge real vulnerability on any point.

Chelsea is younger and has spent much less time in the media eye so she has the better excuse for that.

I think it's less about the fact that they're wealthy (most politicians and ex-presidents are wealthy) that bothers many of the posters here. It's that they seem incapable of admitting how much privilege that wealth buys.

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A bunch of Jesus Christ posers.

upon the holy virtues of our beloved DUers.--

And you stare at me
In your Jesus Christ pose
Arms held out
Like you've been carrying a load
And you swear to me
You don't want to be my slave
But you're staring at me
Like I need to be saved
In your Jesus Christ pose
Arms held out
In your Jesus Christ pose
Thorns and shroud
Like it's the coming of the Lord
And I swear to you
That I would never feed you pain
But you're staring at me
Like I'm driving the nails
In your Jesus Christ pose
And you stare at me
In your Jesus Christ pose
Arms held out like it's
The coming of the Lord
And would it pay you more to walk on water
Than to wear a crown of thorns
It wouldn't pain me more to bury you rich
Than to bury you poor
In your Jesus Christ pose

from one of the Clintons with this acceleration of faux pas of theirs lately.

Clueless seems to fit them all nicely.

Sad they havent gotten it by now. Even Obama's people can't pull it off. Thats pretty bad.

Green Stuff!~

Rather than the hedge fund you guys reamed her for. Stunning stunning judgmental people.

way to miss the point. she's as tone deaf as her mommy. and she's married to someone who has his own hedge fund. Not to mention the obscene money she happily took for doing shit for NBC.

She's just like the Bush girls.

But your goal is not to get the point is it?

LOL!
you did hear about the, *ahem, difficulties the Clinton Foundations have with their, *ahem, finances? That charity seems to have gone large part to schmoozing the rich. It is a scam. But you call it charity all you like.

Unease at Clinton Foundation Over Finances and Ambitions

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/14/us/politics/unease-at-clinton-foundation-over-finances-and-ambitions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Your source.

Can't say I believe in everything the nytimes prints, thats for sure, but when there is so much smoke around the Clintons, continuous thick, noxious smoke, there are certainly a few real fires and not everything is 'vast right wing conspiracy' that they hide their hides behind and apparently get away with.

You should read deeper. They have done lots of good things. Weep your damn self.

but if you mean the Clintons, because they might have done some mysterious good here and there that wasn't a lie, they should be forgiven anything and the crown should be handed to her on a velvet maroon cushion...

yep, got it.

so now works for a charity. People are willfully misunderstanding what she said. This thread has some nasty comments.

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That depends on what your definition of "is" is, oops I mean, what your definition of "charity" is.

Traveling to impoverished countries for photo ops for the Clinton Foundation, hosted by local heads of state - in private jets, wearing designer clothes, manicured and pedicured, staying in first class accommodations - it's not like she's using that master's from Columbia to work 40 hour weeks in the urban slums, based in a scruffy office with a desk fan instead of an air conditioner.

And no doubt, as one of the three "heads" of this family owned "charity", I have no doubt she is extremely generously compensated - at many times the rate of pay of other recent grads from Columbia w/master's degrees.

Whenever I hear someone say that money doesn't mean anything to them I notice they always have a home, a car, toys they don't need and a good paying job. Ask a single mom working graveyard at a Waffle House if money means anything to her, because that lady was my mom and I can guarantee she spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to feed, cloth and shelter me, my brother and my sister.

including how they value money. There are people both rich and poor with both healthy and unhealthy perspectives on money. I've met all kinds of them. Seriously.

Studies have been done on the matter.

she was born into money. And that her name can command a high price tag in whatever she does.

If it happens to be that she has and her name commands high figures, fine, but perhaps what she means is she is not going to change herself or her interests in order to preserve her money or high price tag?

If she is coming from that mentality I can accept that.

with the "that's not me" people being one the people crushed by this Capitalist economy.

That would be cool.

That job was about money. She wasn't interested in money. She left that job. If you work in publishing and don't really care about books or writing, same thing.

Of course it's easy to not be terribly concerned about money when you're worth more by the age of 40 than most would be over several lifetimes of hard work. And I'm talking about ACTUAL work, not some easy stint with NBC where you're paid over half a million fucking dollars for some puff piece segments.

crap and nothing but crap. and that's being nice about it.

Gawd, some people think she's still 11 years old.