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Hillary is lousy at campaigining. she sucked in 2008 and ran a disaster of a campaign (Original Post) cali Jun 2014 OP
I hope so. bigwillq Jun 2014 #1
I'm glad you got that off your chest. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #2
Wow, you sure want to ignite a bonfire! There are so many Hillary for Prez boosters here rustydog Jun 2014 #3
"There are so many Hillary for Prez boosters here" Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #5
I'm not a Warren supporter and DU polls seem to indicate that you are wrong cali Jun 2014 #7
... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #8
DU polls have consisently shown that Hillary's support here is very small and very vocal. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #24
I also saw DU polls that consistently showed Warren was preferred over Hillary Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #34
No link, just going by memory of the comments in the couple of polls I've seen that, ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #35
No worries Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #36
She will get better. give her a chance. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #4
I agree. Lets nominate a nobody get crushed and lose absolutely everything Obama has worked for. bradla Jun 2014 #6
Agreed! Hillary is not perfect but she is a good person and I can support her. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #10
What? Lose the spying, the secrecy, the lying, the attacks on whistle blowers,... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #18
No kidding! woo me with science Jun 2014 #29
As if some country hick lawyer from Hope wasn't a nobody at some point. Yea, nobodies ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #25
Georgetown and Yale, Rhodes scholar, youngest elected governor in the country... Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #45
Well, he sure as heck was a nobody in the scheme of national politics at the time. I know, I ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #46
Six years ago, OBAMA was the "nobody" who would get "crushed" because he "didn't have a chance" rocktivity Jun 2014 #30
That argument might make sense if she was a novice. jeff47 Jun 2014 #50
She has been out of practice. Give her time. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #61
Practice is entirely the problem. jeff47 Jun 2014 #62
Why do democrats want her to run then? hrmjustin Jun 2014 #63
Just curious, why don't you think she will be the nominee, or are you being sarcastic? lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #9
Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2014 #11
It just wouldn't be a day without an anti-Hillary thread from you. eom MohRokTah Jun 2014 #12
Hillary wears Granny Panties!!!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #13
No she did not Evergreen Emerald Jun 2014 #14
Is ths why yesterday... rsmith6621 Jun 2014 #15
huh? that makes no sense. cali Jun 2014 #40
Hey cali rsmith6621 Jun 2014 #69
Truth to power. I was her biggest supporter in '08, & realized she blew it UTUSN Jun 2014 #16
Yes, and that is why she is certainly an underdog. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #17
Gee, I had no idea you felt this way about her Beaverhausen Jun 2014 #19
You're obsessed. It's borderline crazy. JaneyVee Jun 2014 #20
Why don't you discuss the topic, instead of throwing smears of mental instability at fellow DUers? woo me with science Jun 2014 #28
Why don't you stop telling me what to discuss. JaneyVee Jun 2014 #32
Why are you behaving this way? woo me with science Jun 2014 #33
LOL Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #37
And there's always convenient backup for the juvenile, nasty behavior. woo me with science Jun 2014 #39
The GOPers have no one who can beat her. She's 2016 leftstreet Jun 2014 #21
I think she is rusty. Keep in mind she has not been applegrove Jun 2014 #22
Curious BootinUp Jun 2014 #23
rather good, my dear. it looks like you're the chunk blower, hon. cali Jun 2014 #41
don't call me "dear" BootinUp Jun 2014 #42
LOL, I got a sweetums, pumpkin, honeypie and cupcake all in one thread. NM_Birder Jun 2014 #52
Sounds like someone has a sweet tooth, eh? MineralMan Jun 2014 #56
yeah,...... that's it ....... a "sweet tooth"....LOL NM_Birder Jun 2014 #58
Me too! betsuni Jun 2014 #65
;) The less you react the "sweeter" it gets, pretty transparrent and kinda desperate. NM_Birder Jun 2014 #70
Indeed betsuni Jun 2014 #71
'I feel your pain' didn't pan out like she hoped. Whisp Jun 2014 #26
Well, Cali has spoken. Pack it in, Hillary. Game over. Metric System Jun 2014 #27
Her 2008 primary campaign was a "disaster" only if today is opposite day. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #31
Yeah, that's why she won handily......oh wait. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #51
Just because you lose doesn't mean your campaign was a "disaster". NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #53
What made it a disaster was her inevitability strategy, and sticking with it after Iowa. jeff47 Jun 2014 #57
I don't understand what she's doing loyalsister Jun 2014 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jun 2014 #55
SSDD FSogol Jun 2014 #43
Ah...your work here is done for the day, I see. MineralMan Jun 2014 #44
Holy fuck! Get some help, because this has veered into the realm of the pathological. 11 Bravo Jun 2014 #47
I've heard good things about Discussionist. KamaAina Jun 2014 #49
Glad it wasn't just me noticing this shit.. giftedgirl77 Jun 2014 #54
Your concern is duly noted. KamaAina Jun 2014 #48
what "concern"? I have been nothing if not straight forward about my opposition cali Jun 2014 #60
"Hello, my name is ______ and I'm here to collect my birthright" really doesn't resonate with people Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2014 #59
I've said it before and got struck down rock Jun 2014 #64
My conclusions BootinUp Jun 2014 #66
Sounds right to me rock Jun 2014 #68
Her campaign was better then every other candidate BootinUp Jun 2014 #67
Oh, she'll be the nominee if she wants. Orsino Jun 2014 #72

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
3. Wow, you sure want to ignite a bonfire! There are so many Hillary for Prez boosters here
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 08:55 PM
Jun 2014

I'm surprised the suicide hotline hasn't overloaded after your post!

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. "There are so many Hillary for Prez boosters here"
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 08:56 PM
Jun 2014

No kidding! Nearly everyone here is pro-Hillary.

Warren supporters are few and far between.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. I'm not a Warren supporter and DU polls seem to indicate that you are wrong
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jun 2014

Most DUers support Warren OVER Hill.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
34. I also saw DU polls that consistently showed Warren was preferred over Hillary
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:03 AM
Jun 2014

But I didn't see polls that measured how vocal supporters were.

Do you have a link?

I do see much more pro-Warren posts on DU than pro-Hillary posts so I would have thought Warren supporters were more vocal, but maybe I'm wrong.

Got a link?

Thank you in advance.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
35. No link, just going by memory of the comments in the couple of polls I've seen that,
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:15 AM
Jun 2014

yes, did have Warren as the overwhelming DU favorite.

Sorry, I don't bookmark much so I don't have the links but maybe the search function will help locate them.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
36. No worries
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:40 AM
Jun 2014

Although I'm of the opinion that Warren supporters are more vocal here.

At least from what I've seen.

 

bradla

(89 posts)
6. I agree. Lets nominate a nobody get crushed and lose absolutely everything Obama has worked for.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jun 2014

So many people do not have the long view. A republican president after Obama would be a complete an utter disaster. There is not another democrat right now that has chance. Not one. Period.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
10. Agreed! Hillary is not perfect but she is a good person and I can support her.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:00 PM
Jun 2014

I don't see any other democrat winning in 2016.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
18. What? Lose the spying, the secrecy, the lying, the attacks on whistle blowers,...
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:39 PM
Jun 2014

... the cozying up to Wall St, the dismantling of public education, the threats to cut SS, etc. ? You mean nominate a candidate who'll dismantle all that? COUNT ME IN!!!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
29. No kidding!
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 01:34 AM
Jun 2014

It will *totally* be worth running a candidate who has already lost one presidential primary and remains politically tone deaf, to get a smorgasbord of policy like that!

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
45. Georgetown and Yale, Rhodes scholar, youngest elected governor in the country...
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:33 PM
Jun 2014

hardly a "country hick". Also the best natural politician of his generation. Now if you can find a "nobody" who combines intellectual brilliance and movie-star charisma, they might have a chance.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
46. Well, he sure as heck was a nobody in the scheme of national politics at the time. I know, I
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jun 2014

campaigned for him and helped get him elected as governor of Arkansas. He was still a nobody at that point. And, he won. And then he kept winning.

Don't discount nobodies. They can win if they are the right candidate for the times. And Bill was.

rocktivity

(44,546 posts)
30. Six years ago, OBAMA was the "nobody" who would get "crushed" because he "didn't have a chance"
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 01:44 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:35 PM - Edit history (5)

but he managed to take Hillary out of the race within three months.

Fourteen years ago, that "nobody" was George Bush's very own son.

And 22 years ago, that "nobody" was Hillary's very own husband!

If Hillary's Dem opponent doesn't bring up memories of things like Tuzla and the Clintons' own ties to Wright and Rezko, her GOP opponent might. Wondering if history will, or should, repeat itself is a very legitimate question.


rocktivity

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
50. That argument might make sense if she was a novice.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 01:18 PM
Jun 2014

She's been around waaaaaaaay too long to expect her to get better.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
62. Practice is entirely the problem.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:27 PM
Jun 2014

So far, she's running the same inevitability campaign that lost last time.

That's three huge problems:
1) She lost. Destroys the inevitability argument.

2) Like all Democrats, she needs turnout. "I'll win whether you show up or not" does not boost turnout.

3) Democrats need something to vote for. Republicans need something to vote against. "I'm gonna win anyway, so come along for the ride" does neither.

More practice at the same thing that failed in 2008 is not going to help.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
13. Hillary wears Granny Panties!!!!!!!
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:19 PM
Jun 2014

Hair on Fire....its a disaster....

Could this possibly be far behind?

UTUSN

(70,435 posts)
16. Truth to power. I was her biggest supporter in '08, & realized she blew it
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:29 PM
Jun 2014

She was all inside-the-box, blew millions on the inside p.r. peeps, said nothing original, etc.

Obviously, I will vote for the nominee. Even Joe.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
28. Why don't you discuss the topic, instead of throwing smears of mental instability at fellow DUers?
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 01:28 AM
Jun 2014

It would be more mature, and civil.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
39. And there's always convenient backup for the juvenile, nasty behavior.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:29 AM
Jun 2014

This, from adults on a discussion board.

Why would you behave this way, Cali_Democrat? The other poster started out making nasty comments about another DUer and trying to imply mental issues. Now you join in with juvenile mocking.

Why would you want to present yourself this way here?

leftstreet

(36,064 posts)
21. The GOPers have no one who can beat her. She's 2016
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:26 AM
Jun 2014

We just have to suffer through her 4 yr term and move on

applegrove

(117,885 posts)
22. I think she is rusty. Keep in mind she has not been
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:53 AM
Jun 2014

a politician in 5 years. Being SOS is a much different use of brain power. I‘m sure she‘ll tighten up her game in the months yo come.

BootinUp

(46,852 posts)
23. Curious
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:56 AM
Jun 2014

What is your record for picking Dem nominees? Based on this post I am guessing it blows chunks.

betsuni

(25,063 posts)
65. Me too!
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:15 PM
Jun 2014

Is that supposed to make us feel bad? Take our ball and get off the lawn? Make us hungry? Odd.

betsuni

(25,063 posts)
71. Indeed
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 12:22 PM
Jun 2014

I was presented with quite an impressive parade of sweet insults in ONE POST, not even a thread. It was the second act of The Nutcracker ballet, Clara in the land of sweets. Cracking nuts is so much trouble, I avoid nuts unless they're shelled and roasted.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
26. 'I feel your pain' didn't pan out like she hoped.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 01:02 AM
Jun 2014

Hey, it worked for Bill, why not me?

Could anyone be comfortable with a dense person like this to be President? Someone so absolutely clueless about so many basic things? No, no one should be comfortable with the idea. She is a disaster waiting to happen.

NYC Liberal

(20,132 posts)
31. Her 2008 primary campaign was a "disaster" only if today is opposite day.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:00 AM
Jun 2014

She will crush whatever looney tune candidate the Republicans pick out of the clown car.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
57. What made it a disaster was her inevitability strategy, and sticking with it after Iowa.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jun 2014

Inevitability is a terrible strategy.

1) Democrats need turnout. "I'll win even if you stay home" doesn't help turnout.

B) Democrats need a reason to vote for someone. Republicans need a reason to vote against someone. "I'll win, so you might as well come along for the ride" does neither.

Continuing with an inevitability strategy after losing Iowa was very dumb - you can't be inevitable when you lose. Using an inevitability strategy in 2016 would be even dumber. You're Bullwinkle pulling the rabbit out of a hat. There's a reason we laughed at that.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
38. I don't understand what she's doing
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:56 AM
Jun 2014

She's been in politics too long to be making these kinds of mistakes. It has occurred to me that they aren't mistakes and she could be trying to create an opening for someone else. Martin O'Malley has been in Iowa and NH already. He chaired her MD campaign. I don't think he's be taking those steps if she was going to run. Maybe maintaining her "presumed nominee" status is intended to allow O'Malley to build a campaign the size of Obama's?

Response to loyalsister (Reply #38)

11 Bravo

(23,921 posts)
47. Holy fuck! Get some help, because this has veered into the realm of the pathological.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:44 PM
Jun 2014

Multiple daily posts, attacking either the current front-runner to be our next Democratic nominee for President, or teeing off on our current Democratic President. All of this on the DemocraticUnderground.
Have you considered seeking out a new playground, (one where you can work and play well with others)?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
60. what "concern"? I have been nothing if not straight forward about my opposition
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jun 2014

to Clinton being the Democratic Nominee for President. Hardly concern "trolling".

try again, dear.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
59. "Hello, my name is ______ and I'm here to collect my birthright" really doesn't resonate with people
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jun 2014

Romney already tried that shtick,

Hillary would be a disaster. She has no vision she just wants power because she believes she is entitled to it.

rock

(13,218 posts)
64. I've said it before and got struck down
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:35 PM - Edit history (1)

but since it's the truth, I will repeat it. 1) Hilary lost the primary by a hair's breadth; 2) She lost to an opponent who was black, male, and inexperienced. Feel free to draw your own conclusions.

BootinUp

(46,852 posts)
66. My conclusions
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jun 2014

Obama focused on the caucuses and kicked ass there.
Obama is actually a very good politician.
He did have an advantage via less baggage.

It was a very close race. Hillary has nothing to be ashamed of.

BootinUp

(46,852 posts)
67. Her campaign was better then every other candidate
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:58 PM
Jun 2014

except Obama.

this is just another typical thread where the OP is completely over exaggerated for attention.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
72. Oh, she'll be the nominee if she wants.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 12:49 PM
Jun 2014

Being a suboptimal campaigner isn't a disqualifier in my book. Compare Campaign Obama to President Obama, then tell me if smiles and platitudes make for goid governance.

I just want Clinton to defy all the money whispering in her ear, and to gather the courage to say fuck-you to more than just us. We need her to be astonishingly good, not just good enough to coast to victory on her stardom. We need her to be more than just better-than-Republicans.

Time is running out. We have solutions that demand more than just a triangulator.

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