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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:12 PM Jun 2014

Police shoot and kill 95-year-old nursing home resident who didn't want to go to hospital

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/23/1309091/-Police-shoot-and-kill-95-year-old-nursing-home-resident-who-did-not-want-to-go-to-the-hospital

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The man, a WWII veteran, was in his room in a nursing home in a small town near Chicago. The staff wanted him to go to a hospital because they feared he had a bladder infection, and he refused, and someone called 911. He refused to leave his room, so police "decided to take him by force..." and one of then fired a shotgun into him, using beanbag ammunition - a round meant for crowd control, and generally used in prison riots at a distance of 6 to 8 feet, causing internal injuries and bleeding. Police stated the man came at them "with a knife or cane". The man's daughter, who is suing the officers, stated he needed a cane to stand and walk and could have not attacked anyone...
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Police shoot and kill 95-year-old nursing home resident who didn't want to go to hospital (Original Post) LiberalElite Jun 2014 OP
"with a knife or cane"? surrealAmerican Jun 2014 #1
Trained to LIE after the Fact when they kill an unarmed citizen FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #5
Some of these fucken cops should be arrested and tried for first degree murder! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #2
I had to take this paragraph from DailyKos and put some emphasis to it. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #3
And yet it never happens to rich people, does it... FreakinDJ Jun 2014 #6
A lot of good points made in the quoted DK material. truedelphi Jun 2014 #8
True. There are the rich, and then there are those who can afford their own private armies. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #14
I don't know that having bodyguards would help a person. truedelphi Jun 2014 #29
Very true. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #34
Instances like this are some of the obscenity resulting from a militarized police force. I can indepat Jun 2014 #4
Yeah... dhill926 Jun 2014 #7
So..turns out there really are death panels dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #9
But it happens... Heather MC Jun 2014 #20
Whew, I'm glad I'm not the only one to make a mistake like that! Aerows Jun 2014 #33
We are Doomed Heather MC Jun 2014 #36
I tripped over my knife Aerows Jun 2014 #40
This is madness pleinair Jun 2014 #10
I read in another story that he had a knife Jenoch Jun 2014 #12
The police have been trained that "they don't have time" truedelphi Jun 2014 #30
Didn't he have the RIGHT to refuse medical treatment? Since when do we call the police to 1monster Jun 2014 #17
agree pleinair Jun 2014 #43
Survives World War II only to have it end like this. geomon666 Jun 2014 #11
What, you don't want to go to the hospital? Well you are now, sucka! AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #13
The oligarchs are loving the new police state. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #15
That cop should get a medal! Think of the money he saved our over-burdened medical system! RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #16
I'm speechless. Wow! WTF??? C Moon Jun 2014 #18
Hang around... ReRe Jun 2014 #23
Did they think the 95 year old was some sort of Ninja? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #19
When will cops be held accountable??? blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #21
Soon. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #38
Honestly, I'm a little surprised there wasn't a spokesmen somewhere suggesting hughee99 Jun 2014 #22
Cops are for the win. dilby Jun 2014 #24
I guess onethatcares Jun 2014 #25
Police stated the man came at them "with a knife or cane" damnedifIknow Jun 2014 #26
He doesn't want to go to the hospital so they shoot him 5 times with a shotgun Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #27
Fought off the Nazis, only to die at the hands of other fascists. Rex Jun 2014 #28
I wonder if the cop put a notch in his shotgun aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2014 #31
These a-holes really need to be held to account. I sure as hell hope she arthritisR_US Jun 2014 #32
I hope she sues that police department out of existence. truedelphi Jun 2014 #35
I'm glad she is doing it those pigs need to be held to account.. arthritisR_US Jun 2014 #42
Stop worshipping the uniform. Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #37
If they need to go rogue and engage in human target practice from time to time aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2014 #39
Out of control gun laws + out of control police = war on Americans. Initech Jun 2014 #41

surrealAmerican

(11,332 posts)
1. "with a knife or cane"?
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jun 2014

How are these officers trained? Shouldn't they be able to tell the difference?

Maybe the police should not have been there to begin with.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
5. Trained to LIE after the Fact when they kill an unarmed citizen
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jun 2014

Eric Gelhuas, the deputy who shot and killed a 13yr old boy in Sonoma County proved that with his own writings on police blogs

Uncle Joe

(58,029 posts)
3. I had to take this paragraph from DailyKos and put some emphasis to it.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:22 PM
Jun 2014


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/23/1309091/-Police-shoot-and-kill-95-year-old-nursing-home-resident-who-did-not-want-to-go-to-the-hospital#

Is anyone in the government reading this shit? This type of police INSANITY happens every week, is seldom reported in the "liberal media", and obviously arouses no one's concern. Is this what we can expect from police now? From ALL police? And yet it never happens to rich people, does it...



Thanks for the thread, LiberalElite

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
8. A lot of good points made in the quoted DK material.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:14 PM
Jun 2014

However it does happen to rich people as well.


The rich have rather nice assets that the police and DEA agents would like. So even being rich doesn't guarantee you any safety.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
14. True. There are the rich, and then there are those who can afford their own private armies.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:07 AM
Jun 2014

Even within the upper upper class, there are different tiers who are viewed and treated differently by the authorities.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
29. I don't know that having bodyguards would help a person.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jun 2014

The main ingredient in being safe from police seems to be being tied into their network.

So if you are helping them distribute the blow or weed or meth that they confiscated, but it "somehow" never got back to the evidence room, you are A-okay. You might still need body guards to help yourself with physical protection from the competing gangsters, but you will be left alone by the police.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
4. Instances like this are some of the obscenity resulting from a militarized police force. I can
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:31 PM
Jun 2014

assure all that my father, when 95, would have waggled his cane at anyone trying to make him so something he did not want to do.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
20. But it happens...
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:37 AM
Jun 2014

Yesterday it was raining, and by mistake I grabbed my knife instead of my Umbrella. I was soo embarrassed because I got soaking wet.


 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
33. Whew, I'm glad I'm not the only one to make a mistake like that!
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jun 2014

I accidentally picked up my knife instead of my cell phone the other day. Boy was I embarrassed when I tried to make a call!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
40. I tripped over my knife
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 11:53 PM
Jun 2014

when I was going out to water the garden.

My tomato plants were not happy!

pleinair

(171 posts)
10. This is madness
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:41 PM
Jun 2014

why would the police even be called in such a situation? and then this deployment of deadly force -- Terrible! I hope the daughter's lawsuit draws attention to this crime and makes the "powers that be" think again.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
12. I read in another story that he had a knife
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jun 2014

that possibly turn out to be a long shoehorn. The staff and/or police should have just waited him out. How long could
he have stayed standing?

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
30. The police have been trained that "they don't have time"
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jun 2014

In their busy schedules to wait it out.

And they trumpet the fact across their radios that "this one is a nut case" which means, all bets are off and we will shoot the second we don't like the look on the person's face. (Apparently any sign of a mental disturbance means you can be gunned down like an animal, and that murder will be justified.)

And there have been DU'ers here who have said the police are right - their schedules don't allow for them to wait it out, so what else can they do but kill the person...

In Commie nations such as you have in Scandinavia, it would be a mental health crisis team who would be called in, but we wouldn't want communistic tactics employed here, would we? <sarcasm intended>

1monster

(11,012 posts)
17. Didn't he have the RIGHT to refuse medical treatment? Since when do we call the police to
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:24 AM
Jun 2014

Enforce medical intervention?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
13. What, you don't want to go to the hospital? Well you are now, sucka!
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:55 PM
Jun 2014

I'm guessing that's what passed for a 'thought' through the officer's 'mind'.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
16. That cop should get a medal! Think of the money he saved our over-burdened medical system!
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:14 AM
Jun 2014

After all, it's all about money. Humanity is just so 20th century.

C Moon

(12,180 posts)
18. I'm speechless. Wow! WTF???
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:26 AM
Jun 2014

There's also this:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-12-15/news/ct-kass-met-1215-20131215_1_john-wrana-beanbag-sharon-mangerson

Ninety-fucking-five!!! 90-fucking-FIVE! What can a 95 year old man do to two 20, 30 or even 40 year old officers?
This is just nuts.
Who are these men? They were seriously threatened by a 95 year old man, who didn't want to go to the hospital?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
23. Hang around...
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:59 AM
Jun 2014

... you're going to read allot of sick shit on DU that our "liberal" press deems not-fit-to-print or to air to a national audience. This incident is grossly abhorrent because he was age 95 and a WWII Veteran. Hell, all they had to do was lift up the phone and call the nearest VFW or American Legion Post and ask for a couple Vets to come & give aid and comfort to an old soldier that needed to go to the hospital.

Anyway, welcome to DU!

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
38. Soon.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 10:41 PM
Jun 2014

But not soon enough.

All sides of the political spectrum are sick of this shit, the cops are running out of apologists these days.

The 1% should really start worrying when they no longer can make a phone call and send thugs to do their bidding, because that day will spell the end for their hegemony.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
22. Honestly, I'm a little surprised there wasn't a spokesmen somewhere suggesting
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:50 AM
Jun 2014

that the police did him a favor as his bladder infection is now no longer a concern. In situations like this, there never seems to be a shortage of people willing to "double down on stupid".

dilby

(2,273 posts)
24. Cops are for the win.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:26 AM
Jun 2014

You know it's pretty sad that in this day and age, you have to wonder if it's worth calling the cops if someone is robbing your house or assaulting you in your home. Chances are highly likely that when they arrive they will be in full battle mode and something is going to die, whether it's your dog, your child or yourself. It most likely will not be the robber or assaulter because they would have left 15 minutes before the cops arrived.

onethatcares

(16,119 posts)
25. I guess
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:40 AM
Jun 2014

the powers that be in that nursing home just couldn't afford to pay for a staff psychologist or some such to defuse such a situation.

it would cut into the profit margin too far and the administrator might have needed another maseratti.


sheesh, they could have waited 30 minutes and he would have been taking a nap.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
26. Police stated the man came at them "with a knife or cane"
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:36 AM
Jun 2014

So they just couldn't tell the difference between a knife or cane? This is disgusting and frankly I'm really tired of being disgusted by the actions of the police in this country.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
28. Fought off the Nazis, only to die at the hands of other fascists.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:45 AM
Jun 2014

Life is nothing but cruel irony.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
31. I wonder if the cop put a notch in his shotgun
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:11 PM
Jun 2014

I'm not trying to pile on, but with SOME of these cops, it's almost like they welcome the opportunity for someone to even remotely appear that they are coming at them so they can get in some target practice. I remember in the 1980s in California, a Korean guy named Kim went nuts and began driving like a maniac, creating a massive car chase seen on local TV. The police finally cornered him in his car in a parking lot with only one way out. A cop on foot with gun drawn intentionally put himself in the path of the vehicle seemingly to justify emptying his gun into the guy. The police could have tried to shoot out his tires or block his only exit but to me it looked like they wanted to get in some target practice and feel that self-righteous feeling of eliminating a pre-judged criminal.

arthritisR_US

(7,251 posts)
32. These a-holes really need to be held to account. I sure as hell hope she
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jun 2014

wins and they have to pay through the roof. They sure do lie a lot, must be in their DNA.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
35. I hope she sues that police department out of existence.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 07:10 PM
Jun 2014

And the ACLU is attempting to get records of all SWAT activity for 58 counties in Eastern MAssachusetts.


News
ACLU Sues Regional Police Group for SWAT Records


By Roberto Scalese
Boston.com Staff
June 24, 2014 6:21 PM


The ACLU of Massachusetts has sued a regional law enforcement council for records pertaining to the group’s SWAT team.

The North Eastern Massachusetts Law Enforcement Council, the target of the lawsuit, is comprised of officers from 58 municipal police and sheriff departments in Middlesex and Essex counties. “The lawsuit is about public accountability,” ALCU attorney Laura Rotolo told Boston.com. “We have been trying to document the militarization of police departments around the country.”


According to the lawsuit filed Tuesday in Suffolk Superior Court, the ACLU asked NEMLEC and other regional law enforcement councils in the state for records pertaining to procurement, training and use of both the SWAT and Rapid Response Team.

As part of an effort to document regional policing operations, the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation of Massachusetts (“ACLUM”) requested documents concerning NEMLEC’s SWAT Team and RRT in July 2012. The request sought NEMLEC’s training materials, incident reports, deployment statistics, guidelines, procurement records, budgets, agreements with other agencies and documents relating to the structure of the SWAT team and RRT.

NEMLEC refused to provide the documents, saying it was a private, nonprofit organization and not subject to the state’s public record law.

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More material at the link: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/06/24/aclu-sues-regional-police-group-for-swat-records/r6I0weAktxj7zmsG7WD9VO/story.html
Scalese can be reached at roberto.scalese@globe.com or via Twitter @BertoScalese.

arthritisR_US

(7,251 posts)
42. I'm glad she is doing it those pigs need to be held to account..
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 01:45 AM
Jun 2014

they think they are so fecking perfect! g.damn them

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
39. If they need to go rogue and engage in human target practice from time to time
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 11:00 PM
Jun 2014

why can't they select a Wall Street investment banker to execute, one of the ones who screwed so many people in 2008 and ruined so many lives? They'd be giant heroes for doing that in my opinion. Of course that wouldn't really be human target practice, as cockroaches are closer to being human beings than the banksters.

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