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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 07:59 PM Jun 2014

Is it Obnoxious to Support Health Care For the Poor?

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/06/it-obnoxious-support-health-care-poor


Is it Obnoxious to Support Health Care For the Poor?

—By Kevin Drum
| Tue Jun. 24, 2014 10:35 AM EDT

Here is Gary Silverman in the Financial Times:

What I like about Obamacare is that it shows some respect for “those people” — as Hudson called them in Giant — who are good enough to work the fields and mow the lawns, and build the roads and sew the clothes, and diaper the babies and wash the dishes, but somehow aren’t good enough to see a doctor from time to time to make sure there is nothing wrong inside.


Along with a passage from another author about Palestinians, this makes Tyler Cowen unaccountably angry:

I am not in this post seeking to adjudicate ACA or U.S. policy in the Middle East. The easy target is to go after these two authors, but I am interested in different game. The deeper point is that virtually all of us argue this way, albeit with more subtlety. A lot of the more innocuous-sounding arguments we use all the time come perilously close to committing the same fallacies as do these quite transparent and I would say quite obnoxious mistaken excerpts. One of the best paths for becoming a good reader of economics and politics blog posts (and other material) is to learn when you are encountering these kinds of arguments in disguised form.


I'm stumped. What's obnoxious about this? There are certainly technocratic arguments to be made for and against universal health care, as well as the particular implementation details of Obamacare. But the core reason most of us have for supporting Obamacare is exactly the one Silverman makes here: we think everyone, even the poor, should have access to decent health care. A great many conservatives prefer to simply turn their heads away from this human suffering, often because they prefer to keep their taxes low. A great many liberals prefer the opposite.

This isn't a secret, or a hidden agenda, or anything like that. It's always been the primary motivation for universal health care. More generally, our values are the motivation for a large share of human activity, especially including political activity. What's wrong with that?


Tyler Cowan:

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/06/why-you-should-not-confuse-sympathy-with-policy.html
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Is it Obnoxious to Support Health Care For the Poor? (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2014 OP
I have never known a country that hates it's poor like the USA n/t Prophet 451 Jun 2014 #1
I'll take a guess. Cerridwen Jun 2014 #2

Cerridwen

(13,252 posts)
2. I'll take a guess.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 10:08 PM
Jun 2014

He appears to be saying that you should never make an argument from sympathy, i.e. emotion, when discussing policy.

To which I would reply...well, I'll clean it up. It reminds me of a randian concept of "brutal objectivity" and has been used to justify the most heinous of actions.

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