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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:21 AM Jun 2014

The Vermont GOP is effectively dead. Not sleeping. Dead.

They have no money. All they can dredge up for statewide candidates are marginal people- when they dredge up anyone at all. They have a bank account of $34,000 and debts. they hold one statewide office. They're in a super minority in both Houses.

The decline has been ongoing, but at this point, the VT GOP is no longer a viable party.

Such a shame.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2014/06/23/gop-meeting/11277177/

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The Vermont GOP is effectively dead. Not sleeping. Dead. (Original Post) cali Jun 2014 OP
Voters in Vermont are smarter than the ones in Indiana! B Calm Jun 2014 #1
I know it's not a choice, but would you rather have just one party? berni_mccoy Jun 2014 #2
Woodchuck sensible? TransitJohn Jun 2014 #10
There is a viable 3rd party in Vermont with reps in both the Senate and House cali Jun 2014 #17
Sadly, all VT (mainstream) Democrats are largely Pro-"Bidness" vt_native Jun 2014 #3
That's probably true el_bryanto Jun 2014 #6
The F35 is quieter than the F16 which is quieter than the F4 Phantom seveneyes Jun 2014 #8
It's quieter because it doesn't work. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #13
I don't agree. David Zuckerman ring any bells? Phil Baruth cali Jun 2014 #19
I love Vermont. Atman Jun 2014 #4
well... CTyankee Jun 2014 #5
Well, I hope that whatever ails the GOP there is contagious. MineralMan Jun 2014 #7
amazing. VT used to be a rock-ribbed republican state... CTyankee Jun 2014 #9
Hard to believe, isn't it, that there was once such a thing as a ... 11 Bravo Jun 2014 #11
and a liberal republican! CTyankee Jun 2014 #16
I remember my traditional Republican VT relatives from when I was a kid... First Speaker Jun 2014 #12
wow. talk about living with history. how cool. cali Jun 2014 #20
Lets do that in more states IronLionZion Jun 2014 #14
Good job cali! panader0 Jun 2014 #15
I love parts of AZ! It's such a beautiful state. cali Jun 2014 #21
If conservatives are welcomed into the Democratic Party, their ideas very much live on. Romulox Jun 2014 #18
The majority of the dems in the House and Senate are definitely not conservatives cali Jun 2014 #22
You mean the US House and US Senate? Not "conservative"? Don't push war, "free trade", Romulox Jun 2014 #23
 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
2. I know it's not a choice, but would you rather have just one party?
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:26 AM
Jun 2014

Or would you rather have two or more parties that are sensible and work together to get things done?

Just curious. I see what happened in VT as an eventual outcome nationwide, maybe not to that extreme, but certainly in that direction. The GOP is divided and falling apart. They can only do unreasonable things at this point and it makes getting things done impossible in the Congress given the current districting and the Democrats lack of super majority in the Senate.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. There is a viable 3rd party in Vermont with reps in both the Senate and House
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 12:08 PM
Jun 2014

and one statewide office holder.

The Vermont Progressive Party.

vt_native

(484 posts)
3. Sadly, all VT (mainstream) Democrats are largely Pro-"Bidness"
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:41 AM
Jun 2014

Not always very progressive.

All got in line, at Pat Leahy's direction, to support the F-35 boondoggle, which will render 3,000 affordable homes "incompatible with residential use", per Federal noise standards.

One Democrat from the Southern part of the state is a climate change denier (although I think he is retiring).

Vermont Democrats are like Moderate Republicans of 30 years ago, Progressives are the true standard bearers of what used to be "Democratic" values.

Just my opinion and perspective.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
6. That's probably true
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:58 AM
Jun 2014

But it's still a step up from what we have in most places. I don't have a problem sharing the government with moderate conservatives (think they have a place actually) but too much of the Republican Party is between very right wing and insanely right wing, in which case there isn't a lot to talk about in my opinion.

Bryant

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
8. The F35 is quieter than the F16 which is quieter than the F4 Phantom
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:38 AM
Jun 2014

Facts trump opinion. When/if the Green Mountain Boys get F35s, it will be quieter than it is now.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
19. I don't agree. David Zuckerman ring any bells? Phil Baruth
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jun 2014

The Vt House and Senate are both filled with progressive dems.

And Zuckerman became a dem.

Do you read VTdigger?

Atman

(31,464 posts)
4. I love Vermont.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:40 AM
Jun 2014

Seriously...my favorite state in the union. Between their progressive laws, embrace of solar and wind, incredible scenery, great snowboarding, white water rafting, hiking, golfing, no laws against nudity, Bernie Sanders, Ben & Jerry's, Cabot Cheese, breweries...what's not to love. Except the damn Subarus, the official car of Vermont.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
9. amazing. VT used to be a rock-ribbed republican state...
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:43 AM
Jun 2014

but that was back in the days when I was much younger. God love 'em!

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
12. I remember my traditional Republican VT relatives from when I was a kid...
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:16 AM
Jun 2014

...back in the 60s...I had an great uncle and aunt in Rutland whose father voted for Lincoln, and he--the uncle--had been a Taft delegate at the famous 1952 GOP donnybrook of a convention. And I guarantee you, they would have vomited at the thought of today's Tea Party GOP...the end of that decent, conservative-with-a-small-c Yankee Republicanism is actually rather sad to me...

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
18. If conservatives are welcomed into the Democratic Party, their ideas very much live on.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jun 2014

"Free trade", e.g. ...

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
23. You mean the US House and US Senate? Not "conservative"? Don't push war, "free trade",
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jun 2014

corporate first tax policy, bankster bailouts, etc. etc.?????

You did mean for your comments to speak to some larger trend, yes? Or do you mean limit your comments to "the Vermont House of Representatives"? If so, I'll have to take your word for it.

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