Might be more readable without every other word being FUCK.

EOM.

OP is more than entitled to his anger and its expression here - and given his loss, you want to quibble with him cussing?

Personally, our healthcare system among many other aspects of our economy are CRIMINAL!

But mind your manners and go back to sleep.

creatively than that.

Your post will be hidden if you don't change that now.

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one that says "Blunt and Cranky".

Have you tried to stifle the Rude Pundit's schtick, too?

I had to, and I am pissed off.

My son could not afford the $600 to keep his medical insurance effective while layed off from his job. He kept thinking he would be called back to work. Then he got so sick, he was afraid to go to the doctor because he said "They will send me for all types of tests, and I'll be in debt forever" Unable to keep food down, he tried baby food. Eventually he died, my doctor said it was malnutrition the autopsy missed something. Nothing can fill the space left in my heart, at the dinner table at Thanksgiving and Christmas. Nothing. He was my youngest.

this barbaric nation

BUT, someone should have pulled him aside and told him, "Being in debt is better than starving to death". We hear these stories all the time about choosing between food and medicine. Hopefully some of those decisions will be solved by these insurance mandates.

upfront if he did not have insurance. All Doctors had those signs on their receptionist desk here in Florida

People are already forgetting how bad it used to be; perhaps that is a measure of the ACA's success.

it hurts so.

Enjoy!

I hope the fuck that you never have the fucking chance to fucking bury a child.

I can't even imagine losing a child. Type "fuck" all you want with my blessings.

Jesus Christ on a fucking pogo stick.

The child would still be alive if not for the word "fuck."

It might be a better thread without you being so sanctimonious.

maybe your only child are you going to be concerned with semantics?

again...

I have experienced the fucking grief that fucking blunt and cranky has experienced.

It's really fucking sad that you can't seem to fucking empathize.

I've lost several fucking loved ones to fucking accidents, fucking cancer, other fucking diseases. I'm older now so I have lot of fucking life experience.

That you have to be such a fucking stickler and be fucking offended about terms when a person's blog is clearly fucking labeled " Blunt and Cranky" fucking astounds me. You have many fucking tools at your disposal to not be offended. First, you can trash a thread. Second, if you get into a fucking thread you fucking dislike you can fucking easily get out of it with your fucking mouse. Use the left-fucking button to go back a page and get out of the fucking post you are fucking unhappy with.

This is a political fucking discussion forum. Not a fucking kindergarten where everyone needs to make nice with every fucking other one all the fucking time.

And thanks for the support.

Oh, and Fuck.

One of my biggest losses was my best friend who died of AIDS-related complications. He was a wonderful friend and man. Too bad his last partner, who is still alive, wasn't such a great person. His partner did all sorts of nasty drugs and freely had indiscriminate sexual encounters. All without the knowledge of my friend. Until my friend found out about that.

That asshole is still alive and probably still transmitting disease to others while my good friend is dead.

It has been years since Jim's death. I'm still quite bitter about Jim's suffering and passing away.

not all the fucks.

welcome to my fucking ignore list.

so that a billionaire can get richer.

Sometimes there is a reason for yelling FUCK YOU. This is one of those times.

FUCK.

As for losing people in one's life, I've had more than my share and I never said FUCK because any which one of them died, never.

It will not stop those things from happenings (the dragging the feet for payment, the initial denials that always seem to happen).

Since this person did not really go into details, it's hard to say whether the ACA would have helped or not.

If we hadn't had that, he'd have died even sooner. So the ACA did in fact help.

rather than the insurance corporations and by writing protection of obscene profits into the law.

And we are already seeing adjustments to enable profiteering even beyond the ostensible deductible and premium limits of the insurance plans themselves, such as Obama's new loophole that shifts even more costs from the insurers to patients.

Expect more stories like this.

Art of medicine but to prescribe, prescribe and prescribe.

I spent two years being tested for every other malady under the sun. After they couldn't find any tumors or growths, they did an MRI of my brain, thinking a brain tumor there was firing off signals that caused me to believe I was in pain.

No brain tumor either.

It ended up being a wheat allergy. But between my first and last bit of testing, I am sure I brought the people at Big Medicine around 12 to 20 thousands of dollars. Luckily the Big Insurer got the bill for the tests, but still my question is: how come of the two doctors I saw, neither ever said, "Might be dietary related?"

In the end it was someone on the nursing staff that figured it all out.

Way back in the 1980's, SF Chronicle ran an article about a Stanford student who was hospitalized. In intense pain. He spent 37 days in a hospital bed before someone figured out he had appendicitis.

Modern test machinery missed that fact, but his symptoms were so clear that one of his parents' friends, a retired MD had said early on, "Son, you have appendicitis."

It does have huge flaws, but hopefully it's a step towards something better.

Obama has said from the git that it's evolutionary, not revolutionary.

given the nature of what you were talking about. I know nothing I say can make much of a difference regarding the pain you must feel, but I'm not heartless enough to pedantically critique a post made under these circumstances.

So I figure it all evens out in the end.

Thanks.

Maybe someday sanity and compassion will reign in this country. But it still ain't today.

My son's passing could then help to save others.

Don't worry,Right Wingnuts have to go to one of the most dangerous places in the world, an American hospital someday.

As a child of two WWII Navy veterans, doctor and nurse who cared much for their patients in war and peacetime often refusing and forgiving payment, I have the last few decades relied upon the word "Barbaric" to describe our medical system. K&R and

Peace to you~

The ACA also forces the insurers to cover people that they refused to cover previously; and lots of people are on non-profit plans (Medicaid for instance).

As I said in the OP, the ACA is flawed, but it forced my carrier to cover my son when they tried to drop him.

I said it was flawed. I said that. I get that. Did you read where I said that?

Christ on a crutch, THE ACA HELPED KEEP MY KID ALIVE. Imperfect or not, IT HELPED.

Which is more than can be said for the anti-ACA people on the left or the right. If it's a choice between an imperfect law or less time with my child, I am taking the imperfect law.

to 20%. Hopefully in the future this can be decreased even further. But it went from unlimited to 20%. That is progress.

Any commissions come out of that. Also, the cost of taking the risk of insuring an unknown population comes out of it. So, only a small percentage actually goes to profits. Nowadays, private insurers manage Medicare and Medicaid, so even if we had gone single payer, the insurance companies would have been involved.

There are non-profit exchange plans, but they really aren't appreciably cheaper than for-profit plans.

Political reality is that having a single payer system where the government took on the total risk of covering the uninsured would have failed just like Hilliarycare did in 1990s. Hopefully, we will get there in the not to distant future.

It clearly regulates the amount insurers must spend on actual health care benefit. If profits exceed that amount, they have to be paid back to the customers.

Are you saying that the ACA kepy your son insured when they wanted to drop him, but he died post-ACA because they refused to cover something?

I'm struggling to see how it's the pre-ACA system that killed him. Can you clarify.

(Of course it goes without saying that I'm sorry for your loss either way).

However, the health industry is still a profit-based system: the ACA is an interim step and does not mandate approval of treatment, so insurers are still able to deny certain services to the insured.

Specifically: my son awoke from a coma and was discharged in less than 24 hours thereafter, because of Aetna's decision to not pay for further treatment.

He was dead less than 2 days after that discharge.

This won't do anything to eliminate the tragedy in the OP, unfortunately.

He'd have died sooner without it. So the ACA, for all its flaws, was a net positive for us.

The shame of it is that there will be a lot of parents losing their children in red states that have refused Medicaid expansion.

There's a guy in my home town who had a heart attack several years ago so he had reached his 'lifetime limit' and couldn't get insurance.

I have a lot of right wing friends on Facebook (as does he) and he came right out and said "people complain about Obamacare, but it saved my life."

He had to go into the hospital for about a week and after he got out - he went on vacation to Alaska.

The ACA doesn't solve all problems, but if it's you or your loved one whose life it saves - well, maybe it isn't perfect but in this guy's case it was enough.

Again, I'm sorry for your loss.

Agreed about the ACA: it's a net positive and a good step towards full coverage for all Americans.

I can't imagine enduring such a nightmare, but you have my sympathy.

We have a couple of the ideologues on this thread, trying to point out how bad the ACA is, yadayada. I addressed that mindset in the OP. Not politely, but anyone who tells me that my kid should have died sooner for the sake of their ideology doesn't deserve politeness.

Hang in there.

without any details, without any facts at hand are people who are exploiting that child's death to make a dubious and lazily presented set of opinions. It does come off as utterly unconcerned with the actual people involved, who are treated as nothing more than rhetorical fodder. The author presents raw emotion and a terrible story, you say 'Let ME tell YOU about your son's death'. It does not come off well at all. It looks vicious as hell to be honest with you.

And who use my story to promulgate their hatred of the ACA are pretty despicable in my opinion.

Me: "The ACA is flawed, but it helped my son survive longer, so I am grateful for it".

They: "The ACA sucks".

Me: " my son survived longer because of the ACA".

They "the ACA sucks".

What other conclusion could I draw from such statements? Well, I could draw others, but they'd reflect badly on the ideologues, too.

It allows poor and otherwise uninsurable people to buy the same crappy insurance that we've had all along. The rant somehow decouples the two.

Many people suffered and died because of lifetime limits, yearly limits and both of those things are no longer legal under the ACA. Others were unable to get insurance because of pre existing conditions, this is no longer allowed either. It should be single payer, but it is not the same old crappy insurance and your assumption that you know more about the particulars than the family itself is pretty aggressive stuff.
You are being so hyperbolic that it becomes simply incorrect. No more lifetime limits is a huge thing for lots of people with chronic conditions. It's not the same. It is very different.

Simply unbelievable to think a working family can pay in +$1000 per month for years, even decades, and the moment they really need the insurance they have already paid for it can be denied - resulting in death

Simply Unbelievable

for-profit companies are required by law to serve their shareholders first. The very idea of for-profit healthcare is a paradox, or oxymoron if you will. Like it or not, the ACA does not help with this.

I should stay out of these threads that contain emotional defenses of the president. What I am seeing is that, as I am sure the insurance companies predicted, the president's defenders are dug in so deeply that they now think Heritage Care is the solution. 20% or more profits are actually being cheered by Dems. As a person whose employer-provided plan just went up by 10% of my annual pay, whose spouse works in healthcare and has to deal with the insurance death panels every day, who has nearly 10 years to go until Medicare, and who remembers how awful this plan sounded when Gingrinch rolled it out 20 years ago, I just can't get on the bandwagon.

" The ACA won't help this much" is patently false. The ACA did in fact help. Jesus fucking Christ allfuckingmighty.

It might not help in other situations. In fact, there are situations where it does not help at all. But in THIS SITUATION, it FUCKING WELL DID HELP.

Trying to misrepresent the facts of my story to promulgate your point of view is truly detestable behavior.

Rec #145 in DoctorJ's honor.

The topic seemed to call for it.

You have my deepest sympathies. I cannot imagine the pain of having to bury one of my children. I am glad that the ACA gave you more time with your child. I just wish we could have given more, done something better. As flawed as it is, it still accomplishes good things - it can be improved - and improvement becomes more likely when folks like you are willing to share your stories.

I'm not thrilled with the ACA, but it's better than what many of us had before - and the fact that it gave you more time with your child... that is something is beyond price. We can make it better though. No one should ever have to die because some clerk or insurance company decides not to pay for care.

My heart is totally with you on this. I am so sorry for your loss.

In my mind, profit and care are mutually exclusive. We won't really be a civilized nation until we have a NHS or one of such.

The ACA was a huge step. We gotta take more steps.

My young cousin(27) died last August...lifesaving surgery delayed until to late as the hospital sought someone to guarantee the bill. He had a pre-existing condition which precluded him buying insurance and his job as many do these days did not offer insurance. He was involved in a boating injury and sustained a head injury...I will wonder everyday if maybe he might be here today if Obamacare had been implemented a year earlier.

And your question is a good one.

I think they are one of the worst. Well known for dropping people because they get sick. It's hard to get used to how cold blooded people can be. Sometimes I can't get my hands around it.

The ACA curtailed some of the worst abuses, but Aetna demonstrates the inherent flaw in a profit-based health system.

We cannot stop at the ACA. There is more to be done.

My daughter's income was a little over $700 and the state of Washington said she was $3 over their allowed limit. She died several months later from a condition that would have allowed her to live if she had medical care. In fact one of the doctor's offices had a debt collector phone my house for payment. You should have heard the silence when I told them she is dead. Everytime I see someone with medical care I resent this nation. She left a fifteen year old daughter who has considered sucicide in her young life. Apparently in this country your life is only worth something if you have money. This happens because individuals only care if it affects them. Christian nation....you gotta be kidding.
This country exposed me to Handford radiation when I was under 5 years of age. Now that I am old, I believe I am next to let die from lack of enough money to please the medical gods. The fourth of July is just a joke to me.

Profiteering, inhuman scumbags... May they leave without returning, and may the road rise to meet their faces.

The ACA was a fucking handout to insurance companies.
These bastards are only out to make fucking money, the pieces of shit that they are.
They don't care if one lives or dies, they just want their damn money.

Too bad about all the "fucks" in the message. I am from New York, and we use that word a lot. It's vernacular!

Yes, it provided new customers for the insurers...by forcing them to accept the new customers.

Yes, it helps the insurers make money...but caps their profits and mandates rebates to overcharged customers.

All it is is a good first step. We need to go further.

appears to contributed to this tragedy.

Medicare for all -- which is what single payer would be -- would not be as wonderful as people seem to think.

Plus, Medicare would be government-run, with traceability and accountability that we will never get from private firms.

insurance company contracted to handle Medicare/Medicaid hospital claims.

Our health system is messed up, and the profit motive runs a lot deeper than just insurance companies.

Believe me, I'd like to see these tragedies eliminated, certainly reduced.

Take care.

The ACA was a big step forward, and we need to keep improving. Keep on fighting!

Edited to add: Christian nation, indeed! Jesus would slap the shit out of these motherfuckers!

Profit and care do not mix.

"Fuck You, John Boehner. Fuck You, Mitch McConnell. Fuck You, Aetna. Fuck You, Sam Brownback. Fuck everyone who is like you, too."

Every Repub, every teabagger, every rightie.

... including thousands of veterans. Fuck you Squatt.

Rat bassets.

I feel your pain. I understand because me and my family went without insurance for more than a decade.

And that changed me FOREVER. I will never, under any circumstances, vote Republican. I feel very strongly about this issue and I don't understand how the anti-Obamacare movement has so much traction - it should be exactly the opposite. Apparently, our problem is that we are sentient and recognize who our oppressor actually is. It disappoints me greatly to see how many people argue and vote against their own interests.

My condolences to you and your family.