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William769

(55,145 posts)
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 05:08 PM Jun 2014

I don't think people are fully understanding what happened today with the 10th Circuit Court of

This is HUGE! Please see the update to the link in the LBN thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014833243

They just made Gay Marriage legal in six States pending the appeal and also has set a course to the Supreme Court.

And for reference Tomorrow is the one year anniversary of the Supreme Court ruling on DOMA and Prop 8.

Forgive me for being excited, but I am!

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I don't think people are fully understanding what happened today with the 10th Circuit Court of (Original Post) William769 Jun 2014 OP
No forgiveness necessary. We should ALL be super excited! Coventina Jun 2014 #1
Yes we are. William769 Jun 2014 #2
I have friends I've known for over 20 years getting married in CA tomorrow. Coventina Jun 2014 #8
Please let them know a complete stranger on the internet William769 Jun 2014 #11
Thanks! I will!! Coventina Jun 2014 #12
Best wishes to them! n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #18
Thanks! Will pass it on. Coventina Jun 2014 #26
Awesome! bigwillq Jun 2014 #3
... William769 Jun 2014 #82
Great news. GentryDixon Jun 2014 #4
I am so sad to hear that. William769 Jun 2014 #7
I am thrilled to hear this great news, my dear William769! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2014 #5
Thank ytou for just being you. William769 Jun 2014 #10
Moving forward in the right direction! bluesbassman Jun 2014 #6
Thanks. William769 Jun 2014 #9
This is wonderful news! Sissyk Jun 2014 #13
History unfolding before our eyes. William769 Jun 2014 #14
Question? busterbrown Jun 2014 #15
I can't answer that question. William769 Jun 2014 #16
Thanks William.. busterbrown Jun 2014 #19
Had a gay republican boss once. Chan790 Jun 2014 #84
Log Cabin republicans do. Rex Jun 2014 #17
Mostly those are ignorant people who live off Fox News... busterbrown Jun 2014 #21
I really think there is a mental state wherein people thrive on hatred. It's their RKP5637 Jun 2014 #57
A dear friend of mine (now passed) was a gay Republican Coventina Jun 2014 #45
Economics, usually. Being gay doesn't mean you can't be greedy or an asshole. Or right-wing on other NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #85
Problem with that kind of thinking is.. busterbrown Jun 2014 #89
This is wonderful news, amuse bouche Jun 2014 #20
Excellent! nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #22
Squee! shenmue Jun 2014 #23
... William769 Jun 2014 #24
"the most important victory of the entire gay rights movement." n2doc Jun 2014 #25
Thanks for that article. William769 Jun 2014 #28
Thanks for the post!!! ailsagirl Jun 2014 #27
I love sharing great news! William769 Jun 2014 #29
Me too!! It's a nice change ailsagirl Jun 2014 #70
Any word on when the NC decision will happen? libnnc Jun 2014 #30
Congrats! William769 Jun 2014 #32
I heard the 4th Circuit is to rule by the end of the summer. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #47
This IS huge. AngryOldDem Jun 2014 #31
... William769 Jun 2014 #34
congrats! n/t RainDog Jun 2014 #33
This is huge. I hope the SCOTUS will eventually rule. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #35
I think it will happen next year. William769 Jun 2014 #36
excellent news!! m-lekktor Jun 2014 #37
You have no idea MuseRider Jun 2014 #38
Very happy for you in Kansas! William769 Jun 2014 #39
I can only imagine the backlash MuseRider Jun 2014 #41
Knowing you, how could he not? William769 Jun 2014 #43
Damn William MuseRider Jun 2014 #66
Bless your heart - your brother would absolutely be happy that closeupready Jun 2014 #100
Yeah, yeah, marriage equality. So what else is new? randome Jun 2014 #40
With the battle lost we must still fight so it seems. William769 Jun 2014 #42
Maybe it'll sink in slowly. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #44
Yes it is. William769 Jun 2014 #50
Thank you! greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #68
Equality... It's a beautiful thing... Ohio Joe Jun 2014 #46
You have always been a great supporter Joe. William769 Jun 2014 #48
I totally AGREE. This is HUGE dballance Jun 2014 #49
Thanks for bring that post here also. William769 Jun 2014 #52
Thanks! dballance Jun 2014 #59
I do too. But it doesn't always work for me. William769 Jun 2014 #60
Same here. dballance Jun 2014 #62
Excellent. I was thinking reading middle country states doing this was a very good sign. Nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #55
I feel that way about the DOMA and Prop. 8 decisions. Motown_Johnny Jun 2014 #51
Agreed! and thanks for saying it. William769 Jun 2014 #54
You are right. I did not realize. Thank you for making it clear. seabeyond Jun 2014 #53
Yes it is. William769 Jun 2014 #56
Always. Thank you. I know it is with you. Nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #58
So good to see you seabeyond! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #69
hey... sheshe. seabeyond Jun 2014 #71
Sweet Extraordinary Magnificent News! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #61
There you are! William769 Jun 2014 #63
I just got home from work. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #65
But they stayed the ruling, right? So it's not technically legal yet, is it? pnwmom Jun 2014 #64
You decide. William769 Jun 2014 #74
I'm finding it kinda anti-climatic. Half-Century Man Jun 2014 #67
It is Exciting, William! WOW! Cha Jun 2014 #72
Thanks. William769 Jun 2014 #73
UR Welcome.. thank you! :) Cha Jun 2014 #75
Excited? You should be!!... SidDithers Jun 2014 #76
Back atcha buddy. William769 Jun 2014 #77
Adding link about Colorado. William769 Jun 2014 #78
That's wonderful news. The haters can't stop history. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #79
This is the good stuff. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #80
Couldn't agree more. William769 Jun 2014 #81
Supreme Court will likely not take the case. EEO Jun 2014 #83
The Loving v Virginia for same-sex marriage is coming soon. Within the next few years. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #86
Considering Oklahoma is one of them Egnever Jun 2014 #87
K&R Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #88
I'm getting a mixed message about Oklahoma OKNancy Jun 2014 #90
The 10th Circuit's ruling answers the OK case question. morningfog Jun 2014 #91
Ths is what happened in Colorado. William769 Jun 2014 #92
Indiana Counties Issuing Marriage Licenses to Same Sex Couples Jokerman Jun 2014 #93
Thanks for that map. William769 Jun 2014 #94
The Floodgates are opening! William769 Jun 2014 #95
This battle has been won it seems, but the battle for full legal rights and non-discrimination Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #96
Yes but it's been made a lot easier now. William769 Jun 2014 #97
I agree. Assuming SCOTUS rules as in Loving v Virginia Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #98
ST. LOUIS, Mo Just came out fighting. William769 Jun 2014 #99
Nice! ladyVet Jun 2014 #101
Good. William769 Jun 2014 #102

Coventina

(27,101 posts)
1. No forgiveness necessary. We should ALL be super excited!
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 05:13 PM
Jun 2014

I know I am!

We are one (big) step closer to becoming a united nation of MARRIAGE EQUALITY!

Coventina

(27,101 posts)
8. I have friends I've known for over 20 years getting married in CA tomorrow.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 05:21 PM
Jun 2014

On their 25th anniv. of becoming a couple.

They finally gave up on waiting to wed in AZ.

I'm so happy for them. And so happy that soon AZ will have to recognize their marriage as equal to everyone else's.

William769

(55,145 posts)
11. Please let them know a complete stranger on the internet
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jun 2014

Wishes them a very long and happy life together.

GentryDixon

(2,949 posts)
4. Great news.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jun 2014

Sadly, a dear friend/employee of my husband died just two days ago. She and her partner were married December 26, 2013 in Salt Lake City, Utah. How sad that she did not live to see this.

bluesbassman

(19,370 posts)
6. Moving forward in the right direction!
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jun 2014

This is really good news for all of us Bill, and you have every right to be excited!

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
15. Question?
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 05:46 PM
Jun 2014

Is there any reason in the world that member of LGBT would vote Republican?

I’m straight and have invested a lot of time and effort into marriage equality.
We need every soul available to push back on these right wing homophobic misogynistic ,xenophobes

So I’m hoping we are all together on this...

William769

(55,145 posts)
16. I can't answer that question.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 05:51 PM
Jun 2014

People do strange things for strange reasons. I have known Gay Republicans in the past but their numbers have dwindled over recent years. Some were and are probably still programmed to think of Homosexuality as bad from their upbringing. Some are easier to deprogram than others.

Sorry, that's all I got.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
19. Thanks William..
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jun 2014

I have neighbors who are gay men and they had a pro Proposition 8 sign on their lawn..

Really fucking pissed me off.. I wanted to have a discussion with them..

But thought better of it..

Your reply in my opinion is correct...

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
84. Had a gay republican boss once.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:38 PM
Jun 2014

I don't think he's representative of gay republicans...I'm pretty sure he's extreme for a gay Republican. Not older...he was like 24, maybe 26.

He got fired and I was so so happy. It had nothing to do with him being gay...he left in the middle of a shift because he felt like it and locked the door. Retail job. Immediate termination.

We'll call him Matt. Not his real name. Matt was not just a gay Republican...he was a gay Republican homophobe.

I tried to talk to Matt once about being gay and republican. I was working in my free-time for marriage equality in CT at the time. I wanted to know why he opposed those efforts...my take-away after 10 minutes was that he opposed gay marriage because he hated other gay people and didn't want them to be happy. His chief complaint was that they were "f*gg*ty" and assimilationist and not iconoclastic individualists like him. (He had an Objectivist I (heart) I tattoo. Wanted to be John Galt.) He'd "never get married because marriage is so fucking straight."

Total fuck-you attitude for anybody's rights or interests but his own. He used to make fun of the customers to their faces...I had to sit through 2 diversity workshops for our entire management staff because of the crap he said and 3 different peer-sensitivity trainings because he'd go running to the DM every time I engaged in "peer-correction of inappropriate conduct" (note: I'm supposed to do that.)...they refused to fire him because the first time he got written up for calling a customer a "c*nt" he told HR he'd sue them for discrimination (orientation is a protected-class issue in CT) if they fired him. So they refused to fire him until he overstepped because he thought he couldn't possibly overstep.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
17. Log Cabin republicans do.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 05:54 PM
Jun 2014

As to why, you would have to ask them...it makes no sense to me. However GOP voters do have a tendency to vote against their own best interests. Still...no idea as to why, maybe brainwashing.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
21. Mostly those are ignorant people who live off Fox News...
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jun 2014

Have found that Hate gives them great mental relief..

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
57. I really think there is a mental state wherein people thrive on hatred. It's their
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:23 PM
Jun 2014

core of existence, some make a career of hatred, and for some it's been highly profitable feeding others non-stop hatred. It is sick, very sick.

Coventina

(27,101 posts)
45. A dear friend of mine (now passed) was a gay Republican
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jun 2014

Although, he left the party over the very issue of marriage equality.

He came from the Northeast, where being a Republican didn't mean what it means today,especially here in AZ.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
85. Economics, usually. Being gay doesn't mean you can't be greedy or an asshole. Or right-wing on other
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:50 PM
Jun 2014

issues.

I'm gay and quite liberal. But I have one or two gay friends who are mostly liberal, but coming from religious upbringings in the south, have some conservative leanings. They support "states' rights" and think same-sex marriage should be left up to individual states. They just believe that's the better way to do it than "forcing" it on people. Their position is, essentially, "If the assholes in Oklahoma don't accept me, then why would I even want to live there? Let them do what they want and I'll move to where I can be protected and supported."

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
89. Problem with that kind of thinking is..
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:18 AM
Jun 2014

States can overturn protection on a drop of a dime..

Tea baggers+Fundies+RightWing Republicans+Corporatists can equal a strong coalition which can go a long way in destroying everything!!!

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
20. This is wonderful news,
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jun 2014

especially considering how ass backwards this country has become

Signed...an old friend

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
25. "the most important victory of the entire gay rights movement."
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jun 2014

University of Utah law professor Clifford Rosky called Wednesday’s ruling, "the most important victory of the entire gay rights movement."

It is the first time a federal appeals court has recognized that same-sex couples have the same fundamental right to marry as all Americans, said Rosky, chairman of Equality Utah’s board of directors.

"Very few courts have embraced the fundamental rights argument and this court seems to have completely embraced it and applied ‘strict scrutiny,’ the highest standard recognized under constitutional law," Rosky said.

If the state asks the 10th Circuit Court to re-hear the matter before the full court of 12 judges, Rosky said he doubts they will get a different result, and the request may not even be granted.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58007681-78/marriage-court-utah-sex.html.csp

A great Day, indeed.

libnnc

(9,996 posts)
30. Any word on when the NC decision will happen?
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jun 2014

Wouldn't it be awesome if it came in time for my wife's and my first "official" anniversary July, 25? We've been together 22 years in November but we got married in DC last year.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
47. I heard the 4th Circuit is to rule by the end of the summer.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:17 PM
Jun 2014

I posted this not too long ago in another thread...

....

The three judges of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit were named Tuesday morning, just before arguments were set to begin. They are: Paul V. Niemeyer, nominated to the court in 1990 by President George H.W. Bush; Roger L. Gregory, a recess appointment by President Clinton in 2000 who was subsequently nominated by President George W. Bush; and Henry F. Floyd, nominated as a district judge by George W. Bush in 2003 and named to the appeals court by President Obama in 2011.

....

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-same-sex-marriage-virginia-federal-appeals-court-20140513-story.html


....

Five lawyers took turns on the podium, but the focus was on the veteran judicial panel. The opposing viewpoints of two of the jurists suggested that the third, independent-minded Circuit Judge Henry F. Floyd, might hold the deciding vote.

A former Democratic state legislator from South Carolina, Floyd has shown a bipartisan appeal. He was nominated to the federal bench by President George W. Bush and elevated to the 4th Circuit by President Obama. He is said to be a friend of both Democratic Rep. James E. Clyburn (S.C.) and the state’s Republican senior senator, Lindsey O. Graham.

....

Circuit Judge Roger L. Gregory was firmly on the other side. He continually compared the case to Loving v. Virginia, the 1967 case in which the Supreme Court struck down the state’s ban on interracial marriage.

....

Niemeyer said that the vision of marriage the justices found fundamental was the “union of a husband and wife.” The state has an interest in marriage, he said, because of the capability of heterosexual couples to produce children, something same-sex couples cannot do on their own.

....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/appeals-court-to-hear-arguments-on-virginia-ban-on-gay-marriage/2014/05/12/38b64ada-da13-11e3-8009-71de85b9c527_story.html


Best to you and your wife!

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
31. This IS huge.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jun 2014

Many couples have already been married in and around Indianapolis. Things were arranged relatively quickly after the ruling came down.

As the parent of a gay son, I am very pleased to see another step taken to ensure his basic civil rights.

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
38. You have no idea
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:02 PM
Jun 2014

how excited we are in Kansas. We will be part of this and this alleviates some of the very hard problems we were facing on our own.

I can hardly hold in my joy that this sounds like my state will finally have this. That my friends, some already married elsewhere, will be married and the state would not be able to make that part of their lives more difficult.

I wish my brother had lived to see this.

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
41. I can only imagine the backlash
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:09 PM
Jun 2014

waiting but we have dealt with backlash before.

He has been gone for 11 years now but he was the main reason I actually got active on LGBT issues. He would be happy I think.

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
66. Damn William
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jun 2014

you just made me cry.

You know all too well the unique pain involved with HIV/AIDS. It is so much more than any death I have ever experienced. So much more than just the disease.

back to you and

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
100. Bless your heart - your brother would absolutely be happy that
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:32 AM
Jun 2014

you fought on his behalf after he passed.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
40. Yeah, yeah, marriage equality. So what else is new?
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jun 2014

That was sarcasm because it's been clear for some time that the 'battle' against marriage equality is lost. No turning back.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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Ohio Joe

(21,752 posts)
46. Equality... It's a beautiful thing...
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jun 2014

This is amazingly great news William and I'm glad this is where I found it.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
49. I totally AGREE. This is HUGE
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:18 PM
Jun 2014

As I said in one of my other posts on this subject:

It's usually the 9th Circuit out in the PNW and CA that hands down this sort of ruling first. To have it handed down by a circuit that covers UT, OK, WY, KS, and NM is really a stunning defeat to the anti-equality folks. That's real "conservative" territory.

I guess they just found it really difficult to uphold such blatantly discriminatory laws in light of the DOMA decision. Why the Loving v. VA decision wasn't enough to invalidate these laws is beyond me.

On Edit:

The judges that get appointed to that circuit, or any circuit, are typically reflective of the people and attitudes in the circuit. So this really is a departure from what one would imagine could happen. I look forward to reading the opinion of the dissenting justice.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
59. Thanks!
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jun 2014

Always happy to shoot my mouth off in forums. I do try to make my comments relevant and cogent.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
51. I feel that way about the DOMA and Prop. 8 decisions.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:19 PM
Jun 2014

IMO



DOMA being ruled as unconstitutional means that laws passed through the legislative process and signed into law by a chief executive which ban same sex marriage are all unconstitutional. You just can't do it.

Prop. 8 being ruled as unconstitutional means that laws enacted through a popular vote of citizens of this nation which ban same sex marriage are all unconstitutional, You can't do that either.


So how do you do it? You Don't. You Can't. Game Over!


I honestly expect every court ruling to be in favor of equality, and if any go the other way I expect them to be overturned.


Of course I am happy that one more decision went this way. Hopefully this one will help speed up the process. Doing 6 states at a time would be faster.



sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
61. Sweet Extraordinary Magnificent News!
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:29 PM
Jun 2014

Marriage Equality for one and all.

This is indeed Huge! We just took a giant step toward humanity~

William!

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
65. I just got home from work.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:43 PM
Jun 2014

It is truly wonderful news to come home to! You made my day. Forward, we are moving forward.

And for the flowers so bright colorful vibrant, I love them! Thank you William~

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
64. But they stayed the ruling, right? So it's not technically legal yet, is it?
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:41 PM
Jun 2014

However, it IS a very big deal that a Federal court has finally made a ruling like this -- the first on this level since DOMA, I believe.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
67. I'm finding it kinda anti-climatic.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 07:51 PM
Jun 2014

Not trying to shit stir...It has seemed so inevitable for so long. You talk, shout, then scream for something so obvious, that when they finally open their eyes. You can just say, "see?"

At least that is my reaction.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
86. The Loving v Virginia for same-sex marriage is coming soon. Within the next few years.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:52 PM
Jun 2014

These bans are being struck down all over, in every state, by multiple courts and judges.

It's coming.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
90. I'm getting a mixed message about Oklahoma
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 06:40 AM
Jun 2014

The 10th Circuit court, which is a step below the U.S. Supreme Court, is also considering the Oklahoma ban, which was struck down in January by U.S. District Judge Terence Kern. The Utah and Oklahoma cases were put on a fast track though they were not officially combined.

Experts said the court’s ruling Wednesday is binding on all states in the circuit, which includes Oklahoma, Utah, New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado and Kansas. New Mexico does not have a ban on same-sex marriages.

Effect of ruling delayed

Joseph Thai, a University of Oklahoma law professor and co-counsel for the same-sex couples in the Oklahoma case pending before the appeals court, said Wednesday’s ruling “binds all states in the Tenth Circuit, including Oklahoma. But what that means for our particular case, I will defer to the Tenth Circuit to say.”

It is not known when the court will issue an opinion in the Oklahoma case.

http://newsok.com/federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-oklahomas-same-sex-marriage-ban/article/4958906

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
91. The 10th Circuit's ruling answers the OK case question.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:15 AM
Jun 2014

It is binding on OK. OK's ban is inconstitutional, just as Utah's. The 10th May issue a one line opinion on the OK case as moot.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
96. This battle has been won it seems, but the battle for full legal rights and non-discrimination
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:26 AM
Jun 2014

for the entire LGBTQ community continues.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
98. I agree. Assuming SCOTUS rules as in Loving v Virginia
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:35 AM
Jun 2014

it opens up a whole new line of legal attacks on discrimination.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
101. Nice!
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:02 PM
Jun 2014

My sister and I have decided that if NC's ban is overturned, we're going to be waiting outside the Registrar's office, ready to perform ceremonies (we're wedding officiants).

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