I kick my own when that's the case.

It will be remarkable if the patient effort of Obama and our allies lead to the crisis in Ukraine being resolved. Both of these accomplishments show a mature fp that creatively accomplished what had to be done. Congratulations to Obama and Kerry.

"blasting Obama fp"?

I was referring to all the Iraq threads.

lazy, too. thanks.

Awesome Cha, is it not!

things seem to work in general around here besides his foreign policy. The disagreements and the bad news get all the attention and recs, while the good news and areas where prominent progressives like Warren and Sanders support O on don't get nearly as many recs and are quickly buried. Strange occurrence on a site for Dems.

Can't turn it into a lengthy screed bashing whatever it is the poster doesn't like.

When there's a failure, or it's the beginning of a foreign policy maneuver, then people can post a lengthy screed where they assume Obama has already done horrific things, and then attack those horrific things.

For example, clearly Obama was nanoseconds away from invading Syria, getting bogged down for a decade, and then finally pulling out after causing massive chaos and spending a fortune and killing millions. Leading to lots of angry posts where that path was assumed to have occurred.

When it doesn't happen, and you get a success like this topic, those same posters aren't going to say much. Because they can't assume the worst.

. . . thanks for posting!

Some good news is welcome.

Time will tell, but we have essentially put targets on the ground for our enemies to get at. Bad move.

in addition to it being VERY good news!

You are awesome and never pull your punches, spot on!

tanks, she!! Well, it takes one to know one!! You are fearless!!




Love that gif, too.

I think I see the trend here.

The most important reason for Democrats to vote is because republicans tend to be idiotic warmongers. They never learn from history and never have the patience to seek peaceful resolutions to problems. Whatever anyone here wants to say about President Obama, undeniably he so outclasses any conservative even on his worst day. Really tragic he's got such a pathetic congressional body to work with. We Americans are our own worst enemy.

He's still black, yet damn it he rules!

Let's just remind ourselves:

So Obama also persuaded all those Republicans in Congress to be good cop too? And the vote in the British parliament before that too, which was a government defeat for supporting air strikes - that was all part of Obama's grand plan, was it? With the Russians, who are now, according to the OP, being pushed around by Obama?

I think this is an example of "all is for the best of Obama's reputation in this, the best of all possible worlds". Just as the media went through a phase of whatever happened, it was "good news for McCain", the OP seems to think anything that happens in foreign events is "good news for Obama".

What happened: Russia was against getting rid of Syria's chemical weapons. US and the west was for it. But Obama was expressing a great deal of hesitation about using the military to do so. Made his "red line", and then ignored Syria.

Syria used chemical weapons. Russia was still against getting rid of Syria's chemical weapons. And despite crossing that red line, Obama was not moving towards a conflict. Airstrikes can start in a matter of hours, and many days later Obama hadn't done a thing.

Russia and US talk. US starts making noises about airstrikes and other violent intervention. Russia starts supporting getting rid of Syria's chemical weapons, but offers carrots instead of US offering sticks.

but that Russia suggested the destruction of the weapons instead (which Kerry and the State Department went on record as saying was extremely unlikely). So you are agreeing with me that you cannot credit Obama with reluctance to bomb, even if you think it was all part of a grand plan of his.

Russia had no interest until there was the threat that the US could bomb Syria. It took the threat to move Russia to action.

Then it took Lavrov and Kerry working out what later was used as the deal in the UN resolution.

The fact is that if the US had ignored Syria's use of chemical weapons, there is no reason to think they would not still be there - possibly within reach of ISIS/ISIL. Admittedly, had Russia not stepped up, whether the US attacked or not, most of the weapons would still be there.

The fact is that Russia had the ability, but not the desire; the US did not unilaterally have the ability, but Obama did have the desire.

he spoke of. However, he and Kerry were also working this angle - and from Kerry's comment, they did not think Russia could be pressed to push Syria - and the US has no leverage to do so. The various back stories indicate that they had tried to get Russia to do this long before the August chemical weapons use.

NO ONE is saying that Obama had not come close to doing a limited targeted strike - with teh intent to make a cost for using chemical weapons. They said that it could not eliminate future use, but might make Syria think twice. When the diplomatic opening happened, NO ONE gave Kerry any chance to make the deal - that includes the US media and DU. (In addition, the media suggested that it was a "gaffe" - rather than as Kerry said the obvious answer of what Syria could do to avoid an attack. What is then pathetic is that the left gave ALL the credit to Putin. (He deserves credit for his role, that he was uniquely able to play.

and have it shipped overnight to my house, in quantities I specify.
All the UPS man ever brings is shoes and the like for my wife. I did get a new LED light once, so that's something...

he's still black so no credit can be given him!

I'm so tired of the racist wingers! I'm off to register voters today.

The weaponry to help them become the strong and militant force known as ISIS.

Thanks to the American people and Congress and the joint chiefs, Obama ultimately changed his mind.

And am very proud of that fact.

Ridiculous how this man's skin color makes people fucking crazy!