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doc03

(35,148 posts)
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:48 PM Jun 2014

How do you get banned from a group without ever subscribing to

it? This place is starting to be like a dictatorship where if you disagree with the party line you get banned or turned in to the jury for some for some chicken shit thing.

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How do you get banned from a group without ever subscribing to (Original Post) doc03 Jun 2014 OP
if you walk into a group and are disrespectful, expect to not be able to walk back in. seabeyond Jun 2014 #1
How do you get banned when if you don't subscribe to it you can't post? doc03 Jun 2014 #13
anybody can post in a group without subscription. and you can get banned simply by posting seabeyond Jun 2014 #17
I am a host at the BOG. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #71
sheshe. right there with you. and i hear ya. it is amazing. bog and hof has not only taken down seabeyond Jun 2014 #89
I only read disscusionist once or twice. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #112
together.... seabeyond Jun 2014 #115
Oh please. You talk about respect as if you know what the word means. cui bono Jun 2014 #149
OMG! LOL! Here is some of our disrespect. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #156
You don't only post in the BOG as you well know, plus the rampant banning for no reason cui bono Jun 2014 #236
Yeah their ban list tells it all, if you look at that group it is mostly the hosts posting. Rex Jun 2014 #176
No kidding. They have a well-earned reputation for petulant disruption. Marr Jun 2014 #276
Yep. And that's exactly what another group we are all familiar with does. cui bono Jun 2014 #296
It is disrespectful to post that crap in the BOG because of what the BOG is treestar Jun 2014 #284
Really? Go find the one post I made in the BOG - unknowingly I might add - and show me what cui bono Jun 2014 #295
Nothing? Hm... so I did not go in and post "crap in the BoG"? I wasn't disrespectful in there? cui bono Jun 2014 #392
"Oh please. You talk about respect as if you know what the word means." LOL,she.. says the Cha Jun 2014 #313
There's a group that doesn't care whether you are respectful or not. cui bono Jun 2014 #146
You're whining about the BOG.. and you got Blocked because you couldn't respect the Group's Cha Jun 2014 #312
First of all I don't think I even knew I was posting in the BOG. cui bono Jun 2014 #337
I'm banned from the BOG and Hillary groups, although I never joined either. Scuba Jun 2014 #2
What is the BOG? nt Codeine Jun 2014 #15
I believe it's the Barack Obama Group... KansDem Jun 2014 #31
Barrack Obama Group libodem Jun 2014 #36
Yeah, the Barack Obama Group is real "sinister".. Cha Jun 2014 #44
Where is that lovely picture of the BOG...Cha? sheshe2 Jun 2014 #48
Just posted it, she.. Our "treasured eco-system." Cha Jun 2014 #61
Thanks! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #64
Did you get the Cha Jun 2014 #68
I'm not say it 'is' I just meant libodem Jun 2014 #49
Maybe to you, libodem.. not to us.. It looks like this thriving BOG.. Cha Jun 2014 #60
Isn't that purple loosestrife, a Malicious Intruder in the vegetation community? petronius Jun 2014 #69
I've noticed that on the other site BainsBane Jun 2014 #86
Well, then.. WE are in the Best Company.. poor things are just too ignorant Cha Jun 2014 #88
HOF BOG AA LGBT every POC sheshe2 Jun 2014 #93
. Squinch Jun 2014 #99
Love ya Squinch! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #113
Good BainsBane. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #133
It's a sign of a true progressive to bash feminists and Obama voters. nt geek tragedy Jun 2014 #301
You mean CC? RiffRandell Jun 2014 #314
Obviously not BainsBane Jun 2014 #377
Well. Aren't you the unprovoked inciter. Squinch Jun 2014 #385
"I've concluded that some use it as code for African American." Frankly, that's just dumb, TBH. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #366
The common theme is the paranoid use of the ban hammer nt Bonobo Jun 2014 #372
Maybe. I dunno. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #375
It's where one goes when one can't deal with facts and reality. cui bono Jun 2014 #148
Same thing happened to be with the BOG Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #53
Damn ... I want to be banned from the BOG 1000words Jun 2014 #63
That's a badge of honor. L0oniX Jun 2014 #74
Damn LOoniX! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #131
Well, being banned from the BOG simply means you are being discriminated against cui bono Jun 2014 #141
Hey Cui.... sheshe2 Jun 2014 #145
I don't understand your point. n/t cui bono Jun 2014 #241
Being Blocked from the Barack Obama Group or any Group means they can't handle respecting Cha Jun 2014 #310
cui bono, are you aware that the poster was not banned from BOG or HoF, the two groups being Squinch Jun 2014 #227
I got that in a roundabout way from the thread, however, the discussion veered off to BOG and HoF cui bono Jun 2014 #240
BOG and HoF came up together because the people who swarmed when they Squinch Jun 2014 #265
It's hard for me to follow the timeline once a thread like this has taken off, but... Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #317
I suspect that if I ever tried to be a host, I would quickly go mad given the stuff they have to Squinch Jun 2014 #318
In all fairness, HoF has a comparatively short ban list. Laelth Jun 2014 #320
Some certainly do. *Some others*, however, don't care so much about education..... AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #367
Don't ever try hosting GD. It was a nightmare today! Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #373
Yep. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #376
So if someone's blocked from HoF they hate women? Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #164
What I find interesting is when I post about atrocities clarice Jun 2014 #244
Yes, I've noticed that too. polly7 Jun 2014 #248
It's very strange. nt clarice Jun 2014 #249
I thought so too, at first. polly7 Jun 2014 #254
There, there now BainsBane Jun 2014 #342
OMFG. polly7 Jun 2014 #345
Apparently you don't read your own posts BainsBane Jun 2014 #357
Sorry, I don't read your screeds. They give me a headache. polly7 Jun 2014 #359
What you refuse to read are your own posts BainsBane Jun 2014 #393
"Not everything is about you ....." Seconded! nt AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #368
No, it's aobut the evil HOF BainsBane Jun 2014 #398
Sabrina in particular has done some valiant work from what I've seen. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #369
Thanks, AverageJoe99 polly7 Jun 2014 #384
Provide links where the HOF members BainsBane Jun 2014 #399
Do you have links to prove that? BainsBane Jun 2014 #395
..... AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #400
You falsely accused people BainsBane Jun 2014 #401
"You falsely accused people". No, to the contrary; What I wrote to Polly was totally truthful. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #402
Now, who would do that? BainsBane Jun 2014 #343
Checking out a mirror might be your first clue. polly7 Jun 2014 #346
i rarely click on the "women's forums" so that's why i'm not posting on your atrocities threads. Scout Jun 2014 #255
No insult intended, clarice Jun 2014 #332
"Are they only FOR women that look and speak like them ?" Scout Jun 2014 #336
I was simply asking a question...... clarice Jun 2014 #338
I know clarice and that pains me. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #303
She she... clarice Jun 2014 #333
Hi SheShe....still eagerly awaiting your opinion on my post #333 nt clarice Jun 2014 #414
I worked for the last 3 days and am exhausted. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #417
She She...I'm sorry if I seemed impatient, you just seem like ... clarice Jun 2014 #418
You are right about a woman's work "is never done".... sheshe2 Jun 2014 #419
Have a wonderful time....talk to you when you get back. nt clarice Jun 2014 #420
I can tell you my view on that BainsBane Jun 2014 #344
Very well said, and informative.... clarice Jun 2014 #413
That is rude BainsBane Jun 2014 #415
Back atcha...FYI, I am more of a moderate than anything. That irks some people. nt clarice Jun 2014 #416
I've noticed that too. distantearlywarning Jun 2014 #380
Distant... do you have any clue as to why? What am I missing? nt clarice Jun 2014 #421
What a horrible thing to say.Just because some feminists here don't sufrommich Jun 2014 #383
I didn't SAY anything....just posting my experiences... clarice Jun 2014 #412
That mirrors my experience. Scuba Jun 2014 #70
Echo chambers are to be avoided anyway. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2014 #81
Darn right. 840high Jun 2014 #87
I see what you did there. Squinch Jun 2014 #103
Yup, in my case it was in the 'Trending Now' section of the home page. I had no... SaveOurDemocracy Jun 2014 #352
consider it an honor to be banned by the BOG Skittles Jun 2014 #427
You don't "join" Groups.. members just jump on a thread in said group and respect the Mission Cha Jun 2014 #315
By posting something in the group Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #3
How did that happen when you can't post there unless you doc03 Jun 2014 #20
Subscription is not needed to be banned. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #24
you don't need to subscribe to post anywhere JI7 Jun 2014 #26
You probably found a thread on the greatest page and posted in it tblue37 Jun 2014 #251
Was it, by any chance, the BOG? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #4
I'm convinced the Border Patrol could learn from them. rug Jun 2014 #7
Hey Manny so great to run into you again... sheshe2 Jun 2014 #52
You still haven't weighed in on the TPP MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #75
You first Manny... sheshe2 Jun 2014 #85
So I guess you're refusing to take a stand on the TPP? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #91
"You know damned well where you stand!"? No Manny I have never seen your concerns posted. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #98
So you're in favor of the TPP MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #110
You disrupted poorly Manny. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #139
Sorry sheshe Puglover Jun 2014 #168
Wow. Marr Jun 2014 #279
No, he doesn't. Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #291
Is your post satire? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #233
Pathetic deflection. Marr Jun 2014 #278
No, Manny, it wasn't... SidDithers Jun 2014 #117
I was just wondering if the BOG finally MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #118
No you weren't...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #119
Interesting. So what *was* I doing? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #120
You were doing what you can to attack Obama and his supporters... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #124
Manny really thought that once? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #129
Wow, I had no idea they kept files on posters. zeemike Jun 2014 #353
The latest persona management software has *all* the bells and whistles MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #354
I got to get me one of those macro things. zeemike Jun 2014 #355
With 106 bans, statistically that is the group most likely being discussed. Rex Jun 2014 #228
Other than statistics and probability, you got nothin' nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #234
109 Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #292
So it's OK for me to go to the Elizabeth Warren group treestar Jun 2014 #286
You can post inconvenient facts in an accurate manner MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #288
Actually I have no doubt that if you went to the Puglover Jun 2014 #297
You have GD to discuss your "legitimate concerns" treestar Jun 2014 #298
So? What? Puglover Jun 2014 #319
It is limited treestar Jun 2014 #321
Uh yeah. Puglover Jun 2014 #322
You have to post in a group to be banned. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #5
I think subscribing has nothing to do with being blocked.... NYC_SKP Jun 2014 #6
I got banned from one group. Jenoch Jun 2014 #50
Castle Bansalot is quick on the draw, more than BOG? Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #65
your screenname is a gun CreekDog Jun 2014 #135
Hey, I know Bansalot is a controlled show, I was just curious about Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #157
I don't have any CreekDog Jun 2014 #159
Just compared Bansalot with BOG. Not even close! Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #161
All that shows is that gungeoneers are arrogant and disrespectful. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #171
Pretty good bunch of us, just counting the banned, no? Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #214
Yeah, if you want to be allied with all the bannees from the CC who brag about it. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #259
A lot of us, Ikon. And we're still here. nt Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #281
yeah you went to the gun control group and posted against gun control CreekDog Jun 2014 #134
Nope, not even close. Jenoch Jun 2014 #189
. CreekDog Jun 2014 #238
If you look at the top of the group it will be stated this is a group Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #8
Which group was it? Ken Burch Jun 2014 #9
Dissent is not tolerated in some groups LittleBlue Jun 2014 #10
Bingo. 1000words Jun 2014 #16
The sop of these groups are mainly written by the admins and approved by them. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #19
Not necessarily. In the Socialist Progressives group....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #56
Well some groups had imput in the sop but the admins have to program the final sop into hrmjustin Jun 2014 #62
Too bad the SoP in GD is meaningless and unenforced. morningfog Jun 2014 #72
That is mainly because the admins tell the hosts to enforce it sparingly. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #73
respect is expected in most all groups. including the mens group. and when i walk into the mens seabeyond Jun 2014 #25
Right. polly7 Jun 2014 #387
You mean like this one? oneshooter Jun 2014 #32
so why are you on this site ? because this site doesn't allow many things either JI7 Jun 2014 #33
If you bother to notice LittleBlue Jun 2014 #158
aren't a coward for coming on DU because DU itself doesn't allow certain views/people to be promoted JI7 Jun 2014 #162
No LittleBlue Jun 2014 #185
it's strange how you view posting on an internet forum a sign of courage or cowardice JI7 Jun 2014 #262
Not odd at all LittleBlue Jun 2014 #264
the conservative sites are full of people arguing and fighting and attacking their own party JI7 Jun 2014 #269
Because that is their orthodoxy LittleBlue Jun 2014 #273
yes, people come to DU for many different reasons JI7 Jun 2014 #274
Yes. polly7 Jun 2014 #389
I see some of that in this very thread BainsBane Jun 2014 #396
Oh, the horrors of free speech BainsBane Jun 2014 #397
no. GirlinContempt Jun 2014 #289
why are you calling duers cowards and for a simple fact they want a space to discuss issues without seabeyond Jun 2014 #167
I wouldn't bother with that one, sea... Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #179
indeed. and only further support for having groups that does not allow this behavior. seabeyond Jun 2014 #180
Because it is not hate being banned from groups LittleBlue Jun 2014 #183
or the hate is in our face there, and you choose to ignore, deny, or reject the hate that is clear. seabeyond Jun 2014 #187
Why are you talking about a group LittleBlue Jun 2014 #192
can you misdirect every single thing i said, any more clearly. lol. so fuggin' funny seabeyond Jun 2014 #193
I'm not trying to redirect anyting LittleBlue Jun 2014 #196
It is an absolute joke that some of you think..... NCTraveler Jun 2014 #242
By design. They are 'safe-zones'. That's what they are for. I host the ProChoice group and do NOT PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #45
Are you saying that you find belief in climate change to be a "fluffy ideology?" Squinch Jun 2014 #111
No. And to demonstrate my confidence I'm willing to LittleBlue Jun 2014 #160
That's nice dear. Squinch Jun 2014 #201
That's what I thought LittleBlue Jun 2014 #205
You're so brave! Squinch Jun 2014 #213
But one way to completely derail any useful discussion of the tblue37 Jun 2014 #362
That is correct. Some groups are safe havens where attacks against their core principals are not Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #172
Dissent isn't tolerated on DU period treestar Jun 2014 #287
There are some pretty H2O Man Jun 2014 #11
+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #100
meh. you're nobody until you're banned in boston. unblock Jun 2014 #12
I see what you did there. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #21
But you gotta be born in Austin, first... Right? (WARNING Really Old Country Music): freshwest Jun 2014 #404
You get banned by violating the sop of the group. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #14
Thank you justin. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #304
subscribing has nothing to do with it JI7 Jun 2014 #18
Safe haven groups by their very nature don't have to tolerate alternate viewpoints. NuclearDem Jun 2014 #22
hahhaha, really a private internet forum is like a dictatorship ? you need to get out in the real JI7 Jun 2014 #23
It is kind of useless to post if everyone agrees with everything. doc03 Jun 2014 #34
not really, many of us enjoy making fun of republicans together , but why come on a site like this JI7 Jun 2014 #37
Everyone must wear brown shirts. L0oniX Jun 2014 #76
Riiiiiight. His banning from the environmental group for denying climate change is just like Hitler. Squinch Jun 2014 #97
OK, petition in ATA for a Putin group. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #173
I know, I know, pick me! You got banned from Enviornment and Energy for persistent climate denial. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #27
No it wasn't in the mesage from the host. You tell me how using coal in China doc03 Jun 2014 #41
You're a climate denier, you think clean coal is a thing that exists and you're pro fracking. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #51
Is that coal we are sending to China being burned as clean as it would be if we used it? hmm As far doc03 Jun 2014 #58
See, this is the kind of nonsense that got you banned from E/E. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #59
funny, it's always about $$$/ self interest to those people angry they can't say anything they want bettyellen Jun 2014 #231
Why do you consider it some sort of badge of honor to dispute climate change out of ignorance? CreekDog Jun 2014 #283
Well on a liberal board, we don't tolerate quacky climate change denial CreekDog Jun 2014 #137
Mystery solved. Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #46
I see BainsBane Jun 2014 #94
for the win! Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #174
Some groups engage in preemptive bans. (this incorrect info). aikoaiko Jun 2014 #28
i thought a person had to post in a group before that host could do what they do to ban. seabeyond Jun 2014 #30
I'm sure there are probably a couple of groups that would want to ban me Aerows Jun 2014 #35
i KNOW there are people that do not want me to participate in certain groups and YET... seabeyond Jun 2014 #40
Exactly Aerows Jun 2014 #43
I think the fair balance is safe havens don't show up on greatest, trending, or latest. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #78
You are correct. William769 Jun 2014 #47
exactly. i get in trouble all over the place, and i get it. lol. not hard. yes. nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #54
I stand corrected. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #66
That last part is very difficult for some. And it makes them sad... Squinch Jun 2014 #96
Correct. One pile of feces can intentionally be dumped per group. freshwest Jun 2014 #405
You still have to post at least once in the group before one can be banned. Kaleva Jun 2014 #347
Yes, you are correct. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #348
And you are correct also. Kaleva Jun 2014 #350
Don't post in a group Aerows Jun 2014 #29
I've found some groups have little to no sense of humor KansDem Jun 2014 #38
Climate change denial is a light-hearted witticism now? When did that happen? Squinch Jun 2014 #109
Like exorcism but gets rid of wit? eom littlemissmartypants Jun 2014 #154
. Squinch Jun 2014 #403
you deny climate change and think you should be given equal considering in an environment group ? JI7 Jun 2014 #39
I always go to latest threads and didn't notice it was a (agree with us only) doc03 Jun 2014 #55
you're blaming environmental laws for closing steel mills? CreekDog Jun 2014 #138
"If I would have noticed that I wouldn't have gone there." OilemFirchen Jun 2014 #290
You can be banned for trolling that group for things to post in another group Warpy Jun 2014 #42
+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #101
Was it the donco Jun 2014 #57
It is not fun to ban people. I know because I did it and it is not a pleasant experience. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #67
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #77
Here's a hankie. trumad Jun 2014 #79
Hmmm i not recall needing one Riftaxe Jun 2014 #80
Then have some Cheeze with your Whine. Cha Jun 2014 #311
Gosh. I wonder why they banned him. He seems so charming. Squinch Jun 2014 #108
Now you did it! I have to clean my monitor! freshwest Jun 2014 #406
I got banned in LGTB for saying that Ernest Borgnine was a homophobe thelordofhell Jun 2014 #82
Let the whole story be known. William769 Jun 2014 #90
Thank you for posting thelordofhell Jun 2014 #95
Lemme give you a word of advice, before posting a reply...look to see what group it is in Rex Jun 2014 #83
It only requires posting, not joining BainsBane Jun 2014 #84
Here is a thread full of people trashing HoF and BOG and wondering why HoF and BOG don't want to Squinch Jun 2014 #92
Exactly. People behave like assholes and then wonder why others might prefer to avoid them. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #104
All this is because the environmental group banned a climate change denier. And now he's annoyed. Squinch Jun 2014 #105
Between the two, they have 62 people on their shit lists. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #107
you and i both know, and lets not pretend, those posters run into hof to disrupt then chest bump seabeyond Jun 2014 #123
That's not exactly true. polly7 Jun 2014 #246
do you ever stop? seabeyond Jun 2014 #252
When I see something that's not true, I speak up. polly7 Jun 2014 #253
What you do is berate BainsBane Jun 2014 #341
Nah, I call a spade a spade. polly7 Jun 2014 #351
Jesus. I wasn't even a member when that stuff was going on BainsBane Jun 2014 #356
You were here when the apology was demanded a few weeks ago. polly7 Jun 2014 #358
I don't do steam of consciousness BainsBane Jun 2014 #378
Blah, blah, blah .... polly7 Jun 2014 #381
You asked for links BainsBane Jun 2014 #360
Links that I posted RT sites? polly7 Jun 2014 #361
This is in YOUR journal BainsBane Jun 2014 #364
You said I posted RT material. polly7 Jun 2014 #382
WTF? BainsBane Jun 2014 #394
Hey Jeff sheshe2 Jun 2014 #152
he is a host of the mens group. he has banned people himself. he has told posters to behave seabeyond Jun 2014 #169
So he's a freaking hypocrite. Got it. Cha Jun 2014 #308
I find this post highly provocative. Laelth Jun 2014 #323
boys will be boys. in all things to dominate and control women, use boys will be boys. seabeyond Jun 2014 #326
Nevermind. Sorry. n/t Laelth Jun 2014 #327
provacative. i agree. here is the simple answer laelth. i wnt to hear what you say. seabeyond Jun 2014 #328
sea, I lack the emotional energy and strength to withstand your hostility. Laelth Jun 2014 #329
cool. i hear you. truly. and you are making me play this one out. i am not gonna deny a seabeyond Jun 2014 #331
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #330
Wow. Bonobo Jun 2014 #411
I'm not commenting about the rest of the thread... it's a waste of time. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #182
No, it means that there are 46 dumbasses who couldn't respect the SOP of that Group...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #184
it is seriously ridiculous that hof have so many people that feel the need to attack women. seabeyond Jun 2014 #190
You already know that your liberal use of the block functionality... lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #235
not fuggin even, but... i do apprecaite the flexibility in your statement, jeff. seabeyond Jun 2014 #237
See how many are actually active posters BainsBane Jun 2014 #339
Block lists, like jury blacklists, should be maintained. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #340
No, in fact I suggested to one of the hosts she clear up the list BainsBane Jun 2014 #386
That would make perfect sense if it were HoF members who sufrommich Jun 2014 #388
I shared my positive experience with the HoF host lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #391
That would assume that anybody but you gives a fuck how many people are on "the list". MadrasT Jun 2014 #432
Reminds me of today's Jonah Goldberg quote. geek tragedy Jun 2014 #300
Amazing, isn't it... SidDithers Jun 2014 #116
Oh the irony~ sheshe2 Jun 2014 #142
Same story with the Rude Pundit alert BainsBane Jun 2014 #151
And now that whole episode has been rewritten in the DU history books as complaints against swearing Squinch Jun 2014 #203
that is exactly what happen. cause then, the argument can be cencorship. so i haev to wonder who seabeyond Jun 2014 #210
Yet we were treated to BainsBane Jun 2014 #257
and trying to compare themselves to George Carlin JI7 Jun 2014 #267
Who would have trashed their sexist- and racist-slur loving asses in a heartbeat. Squinch Jun 2014 #268
That was the most pathetic part of it BainsBane Jun 2014 #271
I've been reading through this JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #178
And let's not forget: E&E had a perfectly good reason for banning the guy. Squinch Jun 2014 #204
Yup. Enough was finally enough... SidDithers Jun 2014 #221
And since we know where he was blocked from and why... greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #232
True, but it has generated an interesting and important discussion, I think. n/t Laelth Jun 2014 #324
Boom! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #121
. Squinch Jun 2014 #122
this type of thread does expose and reveal a lot JI7 Jun 2014 #127
I'll never understand why so much anti-Democratic stuff is tolerated here. Because it seems like Squinch Jun 2014 #130
Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants Jun 2014 #155
Some have decided that misogyny, racism, and homophobia BainsBane Jun 2014 #153
boggles my mind watching du advocate protecting racism, sexism and homophobia. seabeyond Jun 2014 #170
"Some have decided that misogyny, racism, and homophobia are now liberal virtues" I'm sorry, but.... AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #371
Squinch! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #136
How does racism factor in here? cui bono Jun 2014 #150
there were many threads on race JI7 Jun 2014 #163
BOG has a high percentage of POC posters. More than GD. msanthrope Jun 2014 #219
also many post in African American Group but not as much or at all in BOG JI7 Jun 2014 #275
Oh gawd. Seriously. People call out the BOGGERS because they can't take any criticism of their cui bono Jun 2014 #294
"Precious Obama".. you got that right. You have the whole board to call out the President and you Cha Jun 2014 #309
Well that's interesting... cui bono Jun 2014 #293
You know what I find interesting???? msanthrope Jun 2014 #334
I do too. I couldn't believe the bs posts in the "white privilege" threads. cui bono Jun 2014 #335
Noticed that. Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #165
Says so much, doesn't it? nt redqueen Jun 2014 #200
Yup this thread is full of fail. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #247
Lots of people eager to piss on those two groups and then play victim nt geek tragedy Jun 2014 #302
+ a billion. No wonder so many black folks and women have hauled ass from this place and not looked Number23 Jun 2014 #307
Yeah, Squinch.. Oooops.. it was the Environmental Group because OP is a Climate Change Denier.. Cha Jun 2014 #316
I'm a pretty devoted Bogger myself.....but HoF does have it's problem people, though. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #370
. Squinch Jun 2014 #379
Offend the bullies TransitJohn Jun 2014 #102
Or, alternatively, the environment and energy group doesn't want to waste its time with climate Squinch Jun 2014 #106
I don't get the complaints about safe havens here. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #114
I think those complaining have a problem with the idea that within the safe havens, no one Squinch Jun 2014 #125
You were blocked from E&E? RobertEarl Jun 2014 #126
do you really need an explanation for why climate change denial should not be allowed JI7 Jun 2014 #128
E&E shouldn't be a group RobertEarl Jun 2014 #132
I can vouch for your credibility CreekDog Jun 2014 #140
Jesus. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #143
You hate America? RobertEarl Jun 2014 #147
Post hoc ergo prmopter hoc... LanternWaste Jun 2014 #177
Listen, no one here gives a shit about your heroic white male fantasies. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #243
THANK YOU redqueen Jun 2014 #245
ditto that TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #306
Agreed. Standards here keep falling. Yet some insist DU hasn't changed. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #325
I am sensing hostility and anger in your post RobertEarl Jun 2014 #250
"Maybe even a bit of misandry? Yep." redqueen Jun 2014 #258
I'm sorry, does not bowing to patriarchal white supremacy make me a misandrist? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #260
Haha RobertEarl Jun 2014 #263
You're the one dedicated so fervently to the power of white men. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #280
You don't study much history do you? ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #374
Bwahahaha RobertEarl Jun 2014 #144
you have a long history of trolling DU on environmental issues CreekDog Jun 2014 #166
I must admit RobertEarl Jun 2014 #261
The only lies in the news story and thread about the Klamath Basin were told by you CreekDog Jun 2014 #266
I am man, hear me r---write? ROFLMAO snooper2 Jun 2014 #195
Still pissy about being called on your radiation fantasies, I see NickB79 Jun 2014 #409
Hahaha RobertEarl Jun 2014 #410
for those trashing certain groups. these groups are also the MOST active on du. seabeyond Jun 2014 #175
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #181
Yes they do, very good observation. Rex Jun 2014 #225
Especially climate change denying control freaks. Squinch Jun 2014 #226
Nice work getting your MASSIVE whine about DU and divisive bullshit to stick in GD. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #186
You forgot to add 'Enjoy your stay' Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #198
you have been very comfortable with du from day one. we are allowed to think you are a returnee. seabeyond Jun 2014 #202
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #206
and then silly. seabeyond Jun 2014 #208
No, I didn't. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #222
Be proud to be banned from the BOG! Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #188
and here is another. chest bumps and all. seabeyond Jun 2014 #191
Oooops! sheshe2 Jun 2014 #224
amiright? seabeyond Jun 2014 #229
i bet they are feeling like some Martyr now JI7 Jun 2014 #272
Yes, plus the disgraced AverageJoe90. I'd reply to him about his claim to be a BOGGER, but since freshwest Apr 2015 #433
Funny you should post to this thread tonight, fresh. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #434
I followed the links from the new BOG thread you sent me. Very nice one. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #435
You're still new, so maybe you didn't know.... Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #194
Did not know I could do hide groups but I do not fucking go there either Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #197
Outstanding Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #199
I feel like posting in there just to get banned LittleBlue Jun 2014 #211
and another chest bumping another. badge of honor. you guys. you really are making this way too seabeyond Jun 2014 #215
Making what easy? LittleBlue Jun 2014 #218
little blue. i rarely even respond to your posts. i have gone way over my quota for you, as it is. seabeyond Jun 2014 #220
Fuck Ron Paul. nt geek tragedy Jun 2014 #299
Second guffaw in this thread... Thanks. freshwest Jun 2014 #407
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #207
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Jun 2014 #212
Don't take the bait sea. William769 Jun 2014 #216
thanks. i will take your advice. nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #223
Glad to be of service. William769 Jun 2014 #230
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #217
by being a douche? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #209
I've noticed that too JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #277
Considering how many people have been banned from BO group... NaturalHigh Jun 2014 #428
Look at me!!!!!!! NCTraveler Jun 2014 #239
Meta still sucks. FSogol Jun 2014 #256
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #270
I'm glad you're banned tenderfoot Jun 2014 #282
Which part of this SOP do you not understand? billh58 Jun 2014 #285
You were banned from E/E group but wow did you make a lot of folks look silly lunasun Jun 2014 #305
I was banned from the BO group. NaturalHigh Jun 2014 #349
No badge of honor, it's simple really Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #390
As I replied to that poster, Bobbie Jo... NaturalHigh Jun 2014 #429
Exaggeration Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #430
Actually, I don't think I exaggerated at all. NaturalHigh Jun 2014 #431
What group were you banned from? ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #363
E&E. But it shoulda been the BOG or HOF! freshwest Jun 2014 #408
It really depends on the people running the group. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #365
You got banned because you seem to think that climate "doomers" XemaSab Jun 2014 #422
Well, they kinda are, unfortunately. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #423
Q.E.D. XemaSab Jun 2014 #424
So I guess you have nothing of substance to add? nt AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #425
Don't mind if I do XemaSab Jun 2014 #426
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
1. if you walk into a group and are disrespectful, expect to not be able to walk back in.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:49 PM
Jun 2014

that simple.

edit... some of them anyway. the groups that have a statement and are not there to do battle or take shit, lol.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. anybody can post in a group without subscription. and you can get banned simply by posting
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:59 PM
Jun 2014

in that group. you cannot be banned by the host if you have not posted, i do not believe. you have had to have posted in that group at least once. again, i believe.

i am not a host

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
71. I am a host at the BOG.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:08 PM
Jun 2014

Yes, I say that proudly, though many trash me and the BOG. According to some at Disscussionist we are BOGscum. Ya know what's funny, we post more in GD than the BOG and they still ridicule us. We are deaf dumb and blind. We are Obamabots and are to fucking stupid to have a valid opinion of anything. Shows me that they have few reading comprehension skills. They have no clue what this President has done. They don't bother to read they just lash and slash.

I for one would never walk into HOF and ridicule or dismiss. No, I am not a member, yet I may be soon. I would never walk into AA and be dismissive, I even asked members if they had a problem with me posting there. I have respect for both and many here.

It's about respect in so many ways sea. Without that we are nothing.

I am happy and so proud to say what some can't..... I am not a one issue voter! I believe in equality for all. Women, LGBT, AA, all people of color, civil liberties and equality for every single person under the sun. It's time, past time.

Sea...so glad you are back.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
89. sheshe. right there with you. and i hear ya. it is amazing. bog and hof has not only taken down
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:50 PM
Jun 2014

all of du, singlehandedly but probably working on ending the world, per discussionist.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
112. I only read disscusionist once or twice.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:53 PM
Jun 2014

No, not for me.

Ya know...bog and hof have done something.So have poc and lgbt and every single group that stands up every day, we are so fricking awesome. We stand together, unafraid and so very powerful.Screw dis and the others here that want us to shut up. Not doing it. Not now not ever.

My voice. Our voice. Together.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
149. Oh please. You talk about respect as if you know what the word means.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:00 AM
Jun 2014

People get banned from the BOG who have been quite respectful, but because they showed the tiniest bit of displeasure with Obama they get booted out. Hell, someone posted on here that they were banned without even posting in there.

You talk about respect as if the BOG actually shows respect to others. Plus most posts by BOG members are incredibly disrespectful. What a joke.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
236. You don't only post in the BOG as you well know, plus the rampant banning for no reason
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:09 PM
Jun 2014

is disrespectful in and of itself. You disrespect most of DU by the manner in which you guys host the BOG.

As to your links, anyone can cherry pick things to try to make things seem not as they are. Bible thumpers do it all the time. So do teabaggers and the GOP. If I cared enough to take the time I would find a ton of posts ending in to illustrate your hypocrisy.





 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
176. Yeah their ban list tells it all, if you look at that group it is mostly the hosts posting.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:16 AM
Jun 2014

IOW, they totally destroyed it for other DU members by being extremely exclusive. It is funny watching them pretend to be all innocent of that fact.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
276. No kidding. They have a well-earned reputation for petulant disruption.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jun 2014

So to see one of the " " Brigade climb up onto the cross like that and bemoan their persecution always gives me a chuckle.

I remember reading a study on authoritarian personalities once that showed authoritarians tended to rate themselves as much more moral than others, but objectively proved less moral by their own metrics. Didn't surprise me in the least.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
296. Yep. And that's exactly what another group we are all familiar with does.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:34 PM
Jun 2014

One of the women from that group wore a hat with tea bags hanging from it.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
284. It is disrespectful to post that crap in the BOG because of what the BOG is
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 05:27 PM
Jun 2014

There's nothing stopping that stuff in GD or anywhere else. You're the one being disrespectful, just as it would be to starting an anti Elizabeth Warren post in the EW group. You're not getting what a group is for - or pretending not to.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
295. Really? Go find the one post I made in the BOG - unknowingly I might add - and show me what
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:32 PM
Jun 2014

is disrespectful about it. Go ahead. I'll wait...


cui bono

(19,926 posts)
392. Nothing? Hm... so I did not go in and post "crap in the BoG"? I wasn't disrespectful in there?
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:32 PM
Jun 2014

Hm... I will await your apology. Without holding my breath.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
313. "Oh please. You talk about respect as if you know what the word means." LOL,she.. says the
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:18 AM
Jun 2014

one who couldn't respect the Mission Statement in the BOG.. and can't face that reality.. but, continues to whine about it ad nauseum.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
146. There's a group that doesn't care whether you are respectful or not.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:52 AM
Jun 2014

They will disrespectfully boot you out just because they can't stand reality.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
312. You're whining about the BOG.. and you got Blocked because you couldn't respect the Group's
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:12 AM
Jun 2014

MIssion Statement.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
337. First of all I don't think I even knew I was posting in the BOG.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:50 PM
Jun 2014

If a thread is on the greatest page it is easy to post in it without knowing/noticing it's in a group.

Secondly, reasonable people would give a warning to someone before banning them, especially when the post was not disrespectful in and of itself.

The most disrespect that was shown in that situation was the banning without any communication and the post by the host after I alerted for being banned, a sort of "protest alert". I think it was you who made that post iirc.

You keep stating you have a mission statement as if that makes me wrong that the BOG is closed minded and not able to face facts. It only validates my posts saying that stuff.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. I'm banned from the BOG and Hillary groups, although I never joined either.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:51 PM
Jun 2014

I've now learned to pay close attention to forum I'm in before replying to posts.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
36. Barrack Obama Group
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:12 PM
Jun 2014

It has a ring to it like the BORG, which just sounds sinister. I don't know why? Is it from a movie?

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
48. Where is that lovely picture of the BOG...Cha?
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jun 2014

I was looking for it, I wanted to give it to Manny!



Cha

(295,926 posts)
60. Maybe to you, libodem.. not to us.. It looks like this thriving BOG..
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:43 PM
Jun 2014
Wetlands Gardens & Bog Gardens


"Are you unfortunate enough to have part of your property on a bog or marsh or to have a swampy ditch or large area of standing water? If your answer is yes, then your biggest landscaping challenge is going to be to change your perspective. Bogs, marshes, and swamps are all vibrant ecosystems that serve an essential environmental function, and you have become a custodian one of these treassures.

Besides being home and breeding grounds to many species of birds, fish, insects, mammals, and rare plants - bogs, marshes, and swamps are one of nature's primary water filters, removing pollutants and excess nutrients, and controling errosion. The quality of many lakes and some streams is heavily influenced by the quality of the bogs and swamps that feed them"


Delightful BOG

petronius

(26,581 posts)
69. Isn't that purple loosestrife, a Malicious Intruder in the vegetation community?
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jun 2014

PPR that disruptive botanical troll!!1!

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
86. I've noticed that on the other site
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:43 PM
Jun 2014

HOF and BOG are used in the same breath. I've concluded that some use it as code for African American.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
93. HOF BOG AA LGBT every POC
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:05 PM
Jun 2014

We are linked and damn it I think that is awesome!

Several groups Women AA and Supporters of this President LGBT. We are so strong and our voice, damn it's getting stronger. Every single day! One voice we grow, two we are stronger yet three four five six seven every voice damn if we are not going to rock this world!

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
133. Good BainsBane.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:56 AM
Jun 2014

Because that makes us all stronger. HOF BOG AA!

Strength in numbers. Oh yes indeed! Just let them underestimate us.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
314. You mean CC?
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:21 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Sat Jun 28, 2014, 09:10 AM - Edit history (2)

Weren't you banned from there even though you talked badly of DU members? I would think it would be the other way around.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
377. Obviously not
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:23 AM
Jun 2014

So much for a truce. I wish I could say I was surprised, but I have come to expect nothing else from you. Apparently you don't feel you have anything else to offer, and I can see why.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
366. "I've concluded that some use it as code for African American." Frankly, that's just dumb, TBH.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:24 AM
Jun 2014

And yeah, it goes both ways on this, those who actually do it and those who think it's a thing on DU.....

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
375. Maybe. I dunno.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:49 AM
Jun 2014

But it does bother me a little when some people claim that racism is a noteworthy problem on DU. It isn't. Not even of the anti-Caucasian or anti-Semitic kind(I suppose the latter counts as well.....though I do realize that Jewish identity is often a rather complex issue, so I hope nobody was offended by this. My apologies if that was the case).

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
148. It's where one goes when one can't deal with facts and reality.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:55 AM
Jun 2014

Where one goes when they don't want to read anything that they might take too personally and get overly emotional about.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
53. Same thing happened to be with the BOG
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:34 PM
Jun 2014

I posted in a thread and had no idea it was a private group. It showed up on greatest threads. I posted a mild dissension and was immediately banned via a condescending pm. No loss for me at the end of the day.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
63. Damn ... I want to be banned from the BOG
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:49 PM
Jun 2014

HoF, too.
Seems only fair, I trashed those groups long ago.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
131. Damn LOoniX!
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:08 AM
Jun 2014

Glad you find this so very amusing! Kudos to you! NOT!

1000words (3,284 posts)
63. Damn ... I want to be banned from the BOG

HoF, too.
Seems only fair, I trashed those groups long ago.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025151629#post63


A badge of honor? Excuse me!? Is it that you hate women? Their equality? There right to chose. Their right not to be raped. WTF is your problem with womem LOoniX!? As for the BOG? Why the hell do you disrespect this President so. These are issues that are talked about by both BOG members and HOF members. Guess what. It doesn't stop there. Many people believe in women's right, I wish more would stand for the women in their family.They all have one or more. Stop the hate and stand for women.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
141. Well, being banned from the BOG simply means you are being discriminated against
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:31 AM
Jun 2014

by close minded people who are idolizing a person rather than practicing critical thinking and being open to hearing facts.

You don't even have to really criticize Obama to be banned from there. It's an extremely immature and simplistic mentality that exists in there, as evidenced by the rampant banning of people for no good reason other than speaking the truth.

Banishment or nonbanishment from the BOG has NOTHING to do with standing up for women. It has EVERYTHING to do with those who take any and all criticism of Obama personally and emotionally and therefore do what is the same as sticking one's fingers in one's ears and saying "la la la la la la la.... I can't hear you", except it's actually even worse than that considering it is actually not allowing the person to post their opinion on a board that is supposed to be about discussion.

It is truly amazing to behold.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
145. Hey Cui....
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:42 AM
Jun 2014

snort

"Banishment or nonbanishment from the BOG has NOTHING to do with standing up for women. It has EVERYTHING to do with those who take any and all criticism of Obama personally and emotionally and therefore do what is the same as sticking one's fingers in one's ears and saying "la la la la la la la.... I can't hear you", except it's actually even worse than that considering it is actually not allowing the person to post their opinion on a board that is supposed to be about discussion."


Cui....Try posting on a GG and ES thread.





BOG!

Cha

(295,926 posts)
310. Being Blocked from the Barack Obama Group or any Group means they can't handle respecting
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:07 AM
Jun 2014

the Mission Statement of that Group but will continue to play victim and whine about it ad nauseum.

Hey BOGGER

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
227. cui bono, are you aware that the poster was not banned from BOG or HoF, the two groups being
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jun 2014

jumped on here? He was banned from Environment and Energy because he was making climate change denial arguments.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
240. I got that in a roundabout way from the thread, however, the discussion veered off to BOG and HoF
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jun 2014

and comments were made about BOG that I responded to.

I don't know why BOG and HoF are even being brought up in the same sentence though, as one is about discussions of an important issue and the other is about quelling discussions of important issues.

As to being banned from Environment and Energy for denying climate change, that's probably a good thing. I mean the science is in and anyone who is denying it probably has a right wing agenda regarding at least that issue. Otoh, perhaps they would learn something if they weren't banned, although they could learn something by just reading about it.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
265. BOG and HoF came up together because the people who swarmed when they
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jun 2014

heard that the OP was banned from a group assumed that he was banned from one of those two groups, and then they proceeded to gratuitously trash both groups. And then remark about how unbelievable it was that they were banned from one or the other of those groups.

I agree that his being banned was a good thing. There are better things to do with an environmental group than fight that stupid fight.

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
317. It's hard for me to follow the timeline once a thread like this has taken off, but...
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:31 AM
Jun 2014

From reading it, the first mention of BOG and HOF I noticed was from sheshe2 in this post http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025151629#post71

(On edit- I just spotted that someone mentioned in an earlier post they'd been blocked from the BOG, so I was incorrect about the above being the first mention of the BOG)

I haven't got any interest in BOG or the EE group and have never even visited the latter. But I'm a co-founder and member of HOF and don't like that there's at least two feminists who've been blocked from the group. I wish the hosts would revisit those decisions and reverse those blocks.

When it comes to groups that have long lists of blocked DUers, the reality is that hosts can do whatever they want, but there's also the reality that DUers will have opinions about their actions and they'll voice those opinions. I copped a lot of shit back when I was hosting HOF, which made me decide I wasn't cut out to be a host of a group that attracted lots of fighting and stuff, so I decided on the spot that when Skinner finally saw sense and asked me to become the host of the I/P group, I'd have to gracefully decline!

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
318. I suspect that if I ever tried to be a host, I would quickly go mad given the stuff they have to
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:03 AM
Jun 2014

deal with. I don't know the history of the banned feminists, so I can't comment on that.

But what I have found interesting in this thread is how perfectly it illustrates the knee-jerk vilifying of some groups by a handful of people. It happened with the RP hide, (with pretty much the same handful of people) when immediately there were nasty comments made about HoF, but it appears that HoF members had absolutely nothing to do with it. I was just involved in a conversation with someone who identifies as a feminist but who never came into HoF because she had the impression that she had a bad experience in there. This is understandable given the way people talk about HoF, but she herself realized during the conversation that it wasn't HoF.

I don't have a problem with the idea of groups having long lists of blocked DUers. This E&E block shows why it's necessary: an environmental group could spend all its time playing whack-a-mole with climate deniers, or they could actually have conversations about how to improve things. The BOG could spend all its time dealing with people who hate Obama, but they were formed specifically as a group who support him. And in HoF, I am sure you have seen as I have all the people who come in with an obvious agenda to school the women and put them in their place. They waste our time and brain space.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
320. In all fairness, HoF has a comparatively short ban list.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:59 AM
Jun 2014

HoF wants to educate, generally speaking, so they tend not to ban those who need educating. That, at least, has been my experience, for better or for worse.

-Laelth

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
367. Some certainly do. *Some others*, however, don't care so much about education.....
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:26 AM
Jun 2014

.....as being total jerks to anyone who even slightly disagrees with them, including ad hominems, false accusations, etc.; I can certainly name a few who have been more than guilty of that.

But, to be honest, it's not all bad.....there are still some good & reasonable people left over there or I'd have trashed the place a long time ago.

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
373. Don't ever try hosting GD. It was a nightmare today!
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:46 AM
Jun 2014

Why can't every group and forum be as placid to host as the Australia group, which btw is my fave group at DU...

Yeah, I saw that exchange yr talking about. It makes sense that the bad experience they had was back at DU2. I never visited the feminist forum there, but I sure heard about the fighting that went on in there.

I think there's some blocked from HoF who really do have a problem with feminism, some shit-stirrers, and at least two feminists who reacted to personal call-outs of them posted in there. The thing I noticed is that while the vast majority of DUers who participate in HOF are awesome people who post things that are interesting, there's one or two personalities that tend to be at the epicentre of flamewars, and while I hate seeing HoF tarred with a broadbrush based on those personalities, they seem to thrive on it. But I find it easy to navigate around HoF and for the most part avoid attempts from the 'It's All About Meee!' factor and participate in the much more worthwhile 'It's All About How Women Have Been And Still Are Treated Badly' factor...


 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
376. Yep.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:51 AM
Jun 2014
But I find it easy to navigate around HoF and for the most part avoid attempts from the 'It's All About Meee!' factor and participate in the much more worthwhile 'It's All About How Women Have Been And Still Are Treated Badly' factor...


I can agree with that, TBH.

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
164. So if someone's blocked from HoF they hate women?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:56 AM
Jun 2014

That's not true at all. There's two feminists who I think very highly of who are on the blocked list...

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
244. What I find interesting is when I post about atrocities
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jun 2014

in the Middle East towards women....even in the woman's forums. You can hear crickets chirping.
What's up with that? Are they only FOR women that look and speak like them ?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
248. Yes, I've noticed that too.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:07 PM
Jun 2014

There is 0 interest in any women's issues here unless they're able to be twisted into some perceived slight against posters here whose sole complaint seems to be how they are treated personally here .... as though that were the most important problem facing all women in the world.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
254. I thought so too, at first.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jun 2014

But after years of reading .... it's all about not bowing down to authority here by those who claim the right to label anyone who has even the tiniest bit of disagreement as misogynistic, rape-enabling, pathetic creatures (seen it many times and have been labelled so myself, myself despite sharing my own stories). There are women like yourself, Sabrina, Catherina, and many more who do try hard to bring to this forum's attention the horrible suffering of women around the world, and it's appreciated. I just wish it would draw more discussion without all the drama.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
342. There, there now
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:16 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Fri Jun 27, 2014, 05:02 PM - Edit history (1)

My experience has been the opposite. Your first post to me was hostile as has been everyone since, even when I had you on ignore for months. You have justified your behavior by claiming I was responsible for things done before I even joined DU.



polly7

(20,582 posts)
345. OMFG.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Could you just PLEASE get over yourself? Not everything is about you ..... my first recollection with you was being lectured about FEMA by both you and your sock in the same thread.

You've justified your behaviour for skirting the rules by making up some stupid excuse about it being only ONE night (an unfortunate mistake) when in reality it went on for days, and have been lecturing everyone on the board about doing worse since - although no one else I'm aware of has ever gotten away with such a thing. What gives you that right? Are you co-owner and rule-maker here? Sorry, I have no respect for that and certainly don't owe any, let alone be willing to feed your persecution complex. Deal with what's posted without turning it into some horrible attack against you personally and you might ............ just might, learn something from others here. Once again, you are not the center of all posts here, as much as you love for people to believe you're being martyred and NEED to turn every minor disagreement into the poor, horrible treatment of yourself when most times you're not even mentioned.

And no, I have never had a single inclination about posting in the HOF forum before that ridiculous call-out that drew me there - only to be blocked for it immediately. Too toxic, mean, and against everything I know that most feminists stand for - inclusiveness, understanding and the desire to debate respectfully.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
357. Apparently you don't read your own posts
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jun 2014

So I will provide links for your benefit. This is what prompted your banning from HOF. I personally wrote the hosts suggesting that you should be banned. Casual readers will have no trouble understanding why.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=31166

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=31158
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=3116
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=31164

Here is the post where you said what you claim you never did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4079865

Evidently a jury found something objectionable about it, or it wouldn't have been hidden.

Calling someone "darling" is "abusive and bullying behavior," clearly far more grievous that bigoted insults like c...t, which you insisted in recent poll should be used on DU. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025128694


You have a habit of denying what you just said. Take my sock for example. Here you deny ever mentioning it, while it's obvious you bring it up with great frequency, usually when you have nothing of substance to say.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5023727

I provided evidence to the contrary. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5024891

And you came up with this rather laughable excuse. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5025540

When this in fact was the text you were responding to:

Yes, insert sock reference. I'll save you the trouble. That's always the go to when you don't want to address the issue at hand.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5023703


A rather, shall we say "loose," recounting of events is something you do often. For example, here is the lecture you insist I gave you with my sock.

3. I guess you missed the point about imperial feminism[.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2605208


Naturally you have been traumatized by that one remark every since. I'm afraid I have to point out that FEMEN is not FEMA. Yes, you will call that another lecture. It's what you do.

Your first remarks to me were many months earlier in Meta. The exchange was a memorable one, but since Meta links are not available, I won't go into the details. Suffice it to say your responses to me have been very much the same ever since.
The subject never seems to matter much to you. I had you on ignore at the time my sock in effect, so clearly I had had previous "discussions" with you.

Now that the facts are on the table, readers can come to their own conclusions about the veracity of your version of events.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
359. Sorry, I don't read your screeds. They give me a headache.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:16 PM
Jun 2014

You're so intent on going back through history for every imagined slight, yet when someone brings up something from even a few weeks ago you're fully capable of supporting other women through, you're MIA? No worries, your use of a sock to lecture me made quite an impression ....... I take anything and everything you say with more than a few grains of salt. Authoritarianism by those with a complete different set of rules for themselves and their allies does nothing for me, or many people here.

My banning from HOF was in response to a lying call-out. Debate and twist that all you like. But like I said, I have 0 interest in a group that operates to divide, scoff at and make fun of many posters on this board who I would trust as having the rights and concerns of women all around the world at heart much, much more than the constant 'look at what they did to me!/us! on DU! garbage that gets posted here day after day. Most people don't thrive on persecution, but rejoice in actually helping women in real life ..... not sure why you seem to need to make everything some grand conspiracy against yourself on a message board, ffs, but whatever floats your boat, eh!

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
393. What you refuse to read are your own posts
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jun 2014

I did not go through every past slight. I provided links from YOU that addressed ONLY your claims. For you to look at them would require that you actually cared about being truthful. Point by point, I showed that your statements did not conform with the facts. Anyone who reads these posts and links with a clear head can see as much. That you complain that I raised past slights is the height of irony, considering you persist in blaming me for slights that occurred before I even joined DU.

As the links I posted above demonstrate, you are in no position to accuse anyone else of lying, or anything else for that matter. Your denying reality doesn't make it go away. The facts are what they are, and they bear no relation to your story.


BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
398. No, it's aobut the evil HOF
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:21 PM
Jun 2014

It's only about me when she feels compelled to personally blame me for things she claims happened years before I joined DU. That you would support her charges that I have carefully and calmly refuted tells me that facts are irrelevant to you. This constant emoting about how people are so persecuted by the fact some on this board have the nerve to express points of view you don't like is just sad.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
369. Sabrina in particular has done some valiant work from what I've seen.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:31 AM
Jun 2014

But after years of reading .... it's all about not bowing down to authority here by those who claim the right to label anyone who has even the tiniest bit of disagreement as misogynistic, rape-enabling, pathetic creatures (seen it many times and have been labelled so myself.....).


Yeah, it's happened to me as well. But I honestly think what happened to you is even worse, much worse, actually, because you've had your own stories to tell. And if even after that, for those people *still* accuse you of being a misogynist, or a "rape enabler", etc.....well, TBH, I don't think they'd be worth dealing with at that point. Just my opinion, of course.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
384. Thanks, AverageJoe99
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:17 AM
Jun 2014

My own story of long-term abuse and rape (different instances) brought nothing but scorn and name-calling. I pay 0 attention to those who claim moral superiority while sitting on their asses typing insults at other women on a message board claiming they're the spokesman for all women everywhere! Makes me laugh, actually. And yes, Sabrina is a gem.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
399. Provide links where the HOF members
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:24 PM
Jun 2014

You so despise claim to speak for "all women." I have seen one or two people do that on DU, but they have been strongly anti-HOF. Once again we get down to the basic fact you cannot bear that people articulate a point of view that you don't sanction. Naturally you have no evidence. You NEVER do.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
395. Do you have links to prove that?
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:04 PM
Jun 2014

I'd like to see where people called you those names? Did they get hidden posts as a result? And since the pile on here is about HOF posters, not any old links will do. You make this accusation in the very subthread I am engaging with, I take that to be a personal charge against me. I expect to see actual links in which I call you exactly what you charge me with.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
400. .....
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:25 PM
Jun 2014

And no, I don't recall being called a "rape-enabler" myself(and never intended to imply otherwise!); I admit that may have been poorly worded, perhaps, but it was intended to refer to the general problem of name-calling, false accusations, etc.: I have unfortunately, had some spurious accusations, and name-calling thrown my way.

Although, frankly, it would likely take me hours to find all the relevant quotes(and that's assuming I can find all of what I need, as I have over 8,500 posts to my username and you can't go all the way back to the beginning.....and I've actually tried.), and to be honest, I doubt it'd be worth the attempt, anyway, because in all likelihood, it would be denied, or ignored, etc.(as has happened with other issues in the past); I don't even really dwell all that much on individual posts, anyway, unless they're really bad.










BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
401. You falsely accused people
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:38 PM
Jun 2014

with absolutely no evidence. And you did so in direct response to attacks against me, implying I was the one who did so. Do you really think that is honest?

I asked for evidence about me. If I had made such insults, they would be easy to find. I took a bit of time, but I was able to show in detail how virtually every allegation the other poster made was false. I did so because facts matter. The truth matters. Falsely charging people because you are put off over a disagreement is the height of incivility.

How you feel about a response to a post is not the same as what someone actually said. I own my words. Your reaction to them is your responsibility. That you feel wounded because I ignore your endless posts repeating the same thing is not my responsibility. That you don't like an argument I made does not excuse spreading false charges, as you have done here. I know for a fact I never made such an allegation because the post would have been hidden. I have never had such a hide. There are a couple of people here making false allegations, but I am not one of them.

Make no mistake about it. What you and a few others object to here is free speech. Some are angry that women on DU post about subjects that don't pass their approval, whereas you, I suspect, are ticked off because others disagree with your POV and show evidence that refutes it overwhelmingly. Rather than rethinking your position, you decide to engage in unfounded personal allegations. Your views are your business. I am under no obligation to pay homage to you over what you write or even respond. I frankly do not care what you believe. I do, however, care that you falsely malign me and others.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
402. "You falsely accused people". No, to the contrary; What I wrote to Polly was totally truthful.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jun 2014
If I had made such insults, they would be easy to find.


Not really, TBH. As I pointed out earlier, I have over 8,500 posts to my name, and you can only go back so far on your "My Posts" list; I even attempted to go back and find a few, but to no avail, as I was only able to go back about three or four pages. And it's not like I keep track of every little negative thing that everyone might say about me on the Internet, anyway, not unless it's really bad.

BTW, I looked thru those links, too(for the second time, in fact). Some of them weren't even about you. One link you posted didn't involve either of you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=3116

And frankly, given your own interactions with myself recently, I have every reason to side with Polly at the moment.

I know for a fact I never made such an allegation because the post would have been hidden


I wish that was always true. But I've had false accusations against myself(not necessarily from you, but from others) that have been allowed to stand on *numerous* occasions.

I did so because facts matter. The truth matters.


I'm not sure whether to laugh or shake my head in frustration, so we can make do with these smilies, which are a better fit, anyway.

There are a couple of people here making false allegations, but I am not one of them.


I'm not so convinced of that.....In fact, nearly every single radfem I've met on this site has had that problem.


Make no mistake about it. What you and a few others object to here is free speech


Oh, the irony.

whereas you, I suspect, are ticked off because others disagree with your POV and show evidence that refutes it overwhelmingly.


What evidence? If there's any actual evidence out there, it's never been made evident.....probably because it doesn't even exist.

Rather than rethinking your position, you decide to engage in unfounded personal allegations


Now this right here is a perfect example what could be called "third person projection", in which the faults, flaws, wrongs, etc. attributed to one person, are actually those of others; in this case, those whom you are defending.

Honestly, I truly wouldn't have said any of this stuff that I wrote to Polly (about being subjected to false allegations and name-calling) if it didn't actually happen. But it has happened to me as well. And I didn't even mention you in particular at that moment, but apparently, that fact didn't seem to matter, now, did it?

I am under no obligation to pay homage to you.....


I could say the same thing. And to be truthful, sometimes, it's actually better to not be able to have any links at all, than to have such, and try to spin, spin, spin, as has been done here.



Scout

(8,624 posts)
255. i rarely click on the "women's forums" so that's why i'm not posting on your atrocities threads.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:44 PM
Jun 2014

try posting them in GD or LBN if you want more people to see them.

nice attempt at a broad brush insult though.



 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
332. No insult intended,
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jun 2014

I have posted them to several woman oriented forums. No responses.
Please play nice.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
336. "Are they only FOR women that look and speak like them ?"
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jun 2014

didn't realize comments like that are "playing nice"

"Are they only FOR women that look and speak like them ?"



 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
338. I was simply asking a question......
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jun 2014

Would love to hear your opinion as to why those posts are ignored.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
303. I know clarice and that pains me.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:32 PM
Jun 2014

Women's issues sink like a stone here most of the time. I find that sad and frightening. So many here, man woman or child have a mother wife aunt sister in their lives that they love. I don't understand why they ignore the facts and let the OP's sink away.

Are they only FOR women that look and speak like them ?


Not sure who you are referring to clarice...many care here, sadly many don't. I have had many a post sink. I posted when VAWA was being debated, every single post died. Sadly women are a minority here.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
333. She she...
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:49 PM
Jun 2014

Thank you for your response. Allow me to clarify my post.
What I have found is that the lack of response is almost ALWAYS on my posts
relating to women's atrocities in the MIDDLE EAST. HOWEVER, if the subjugation of women
happens in the United States !!!!! Voila.....a thousand posts.

I can only think of a few reasons why, and I know that this will rankle some people.
I truly hope that you can set me straight if I am wrong.

1. Is there a political agenda toward Middle Eastern Countries here on DU ?
And if there is, are the posters trying to ignore or trivialize these events by
not recognize the problems?
2. Are there just fewer women on DU ?

Eagerly waiting your input.

Clarice

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
417. I worked for the last 3 days and am exhausted.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 06:48 PM
Jun 2014

It takes me awhile to respond.

My suggestion is to post these in GD, not in the groups. They will get more attention some good some bad. I am not saying that it always works that way as you can see from my comment on my VAWA threads sinking. Even the US atrocities do not always go anywhere. That's the sad truth.

Women are indeed a minority here at GD by our numbers and other factors. Some don't care for what we say, yet I try to be diplomatic in my approach when I post an OP. I try to include the fathers sons husbands uncles grandfathers and significant others, that have a woman in their life that they love and respect.

Women in the Middle East... Africa... everywhere are important. We should stand by them always. Sadly clarice that's not always going to happen.

I will do my best to look for your future posts. It's so hard to keep up sometimes.

she

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
418. She She...I'm sorry if I seemed impatient, you just seem like ...
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 07:29 PM
Jun 2014

a level headed person, and I was looking forward to your response.
Busy Busy Busy...a woman's work is never done. Peace.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
419. You are right about a woman's work "is never done"....
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 07:52 PM
Jun 2014

However I am now on vacation for two weeks. It's been a whole year since my last one. It's been a tough year.

I do look forward to your future OP's. Women and their rights are so very important. It can not be said enough.

Thanks clarice.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
344. I can tell you my view on that
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:31 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Fri Jun 27, 2014, 05:28 PM - Edit history (1)

(not your posts in particular, but in general) Westerners have a tendency to target developing nations, and the Muslim World in particular, as transgressors on women's rights. It easily turns into Islamophobia or discussions about how superior Americans are. You'll notice that happens on no other issues here. Not on foreign policy, war, or other aspects of human rights. Only women's issues. The same people who denounce the US for virtually everything insist women here have no problems, face no discrimination, and have no right to talk about issues that confront us. When the yearly gender gap rankings are posted, they insist the less than stellar ranking of the US is a lie.

So, IMO, the issue is not that women abroad are not important. Of course they are enormously important. The issue is what does that discussion become and how is received by the audience. I read such stories with great interest, even if I don't comment on them, but I am also mindful of the notion that some here feel compelled to tell American women we should be content with what we have.

Again, I don't recall a post by you personally, so I am not speaking about you in particular.

I'll also note that I have posted about issues like human trafficking and gotten virtually no response. You aren't alone in that.
When I post about WHO reports about violence against women, I am told it is sexist and invalid because they didn't deal with violence against men.

There is a phenomenon where the longer you post in a group the more attention your posts get. So if you drop an OP In a group and rarely participate, people may wonder what is up. The fact is HOF is the only feminist group that sees much activity. The others post some very interesting things, but there is far less participation there. When I post in those groups, no one responds to me either, so you aren't alone there. I don't post OPs there, however, I just comment on an existing thread.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
413. Very well said, and informative....
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 11:53 AM
Jun 2014

I mostly get angry snarky responses like, "How DARE you ask that !!"

Clarice

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
415. That is rude
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:56 PM
Jun 2014

I'm sorry you've been treated that way. I'll keep an eye out for your posts in the future.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
383. What a horrible thing to say.Just because some feminists here don't
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:15 AM
Jun 2014

comment on every thread about women doesn't mean they don't care about those women.That's like claiming that black people who comment on racism in America must not care about racism everywhere else. The majority of DUers are american,most comment on american politics,that's not "proof" of anything really.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
412. I didn't SAY anything....just posting my experiences...
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 11:50 AM
Jun 2014

and trying to find an answer. Wasn't trying to offend anyone. If you could help explain to me
why all of my posts about women's abuse as pertaining to the Middle East, I would be
glad to hear it.

SaveOurDemocracy

(4,398 posts)
352. Yup, in my case it was in the 'Trending Now' section of the home page. I had no...
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:48 PM
Jun 2014

...idea I was in BOG territory. No loss to me.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
315. You don't "join" Groups.. members just jump on a thread in said group and respect the Mission
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:21 AM
Jun 2014

Statement.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
3. By posting something in the group
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:52 PM
Jun 2014

and having the hosts of said group decide to block you based on it.

Most group hosts are willing to tell a poster why the block was imposed via DU mail.

doc03

(35,148 posts)
20. How did that happen when you can't post there unless you
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:59 PM
Jun 2014

subscribe and I never did? It must have been based on a post in a different forum.

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
251. You probably found a thread on the greatest page and posted in it
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jun 2014

without noticing that the thread was from a specific group--and whatever you posted violated the terms laid out for participation in that group. You should check the group of origin whenever you respond to a thread on the greatest page.(FYI: You do NOT need to subscribe to a group to post in it)

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
85. You first Manny...
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jun 2014

Where are you with women's rights? Please link to all your posts supporting women and there bodies and the fundamental right to chose! Their right over their bodies. Equal pay and equal rights and not to be called a slut when they are raped.Or forced to have that child when you have been. Where do you stand Manny? I may have missed your many posts yet sadly.. I don't think you ever posted on these.

Guess what, Elizabeth Warren is a woman. She stands for women, bless her soul.

You have a wife and from your posts you have a son. Where does your wife stand on these issues, where does your son stand, where do you?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
91. So I guess you're refusing to take a stand on the TPP?
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:53 PM
Jun 2014

You know damned well where I stand on all of those issues. And I have a sneaking suspicion that, even though you've never posted on the subject, you're not in favor of present situation of 1,000 children dying each day from malnutrition on our planet.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
98. "You know damned well where you stand!"? No Manny I have never seen your concerns posted.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jun 2014

Try to be a little bit serious here Manny

You know damned well where I stand on all of those issues. And I have a sneaking suspicion that, even though you've never posted on the subject, you're not in favor of present situation of 1,000 children dying each day from malnutrition on our planet.


No Manny I do not. Never saw a post about it from you.

Want to link where you have stood for women and gays and the right to chose and poc and children dying each day from malnutrition on our planet. ...waiting... all your concerns and links are ??? Where????

You dis and dismiss....That is your MO

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
110. So you're in favor of the TPP
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:52 PM
Jun 2014

It's the only sane explanation for your bizarre diversion tactics.

Glad that's settled, although it's an awful position for you to take. Many, many 99%ers will be savaged by it if Obama gets it through.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
168. Sorry sheshe
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:45 AM
Jun 2014

You're the one looking "silly" here. You played this juvenile gotcha game with Manny a few days ago on your very own thread. #44.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025137050#post67

Manny answered your questions however you didn't return the courtesy.

MannyGoldstein (27,375 posts)

67. Yes to all, other than DODT - I don't know what that is. But why





do I have a sneaking suspicion that you won't answer my TPP question?

P.S. By "DOMA", I assume you mean the *end* of DOMA.

Crickets...........

I don't blame him at all for not buying into your disingenuous diversions.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
353. Wow, I had no idea they kept files on posters.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 09:13 PM
Jun 2014

It must be a lot of work keeping track of all of that...but I guess your computer does all the work.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
354. The latest persona management software has *all* the bells and whistles
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 09:24 PM
Jun 2014

Makes disruption a breeze... the entire extended posting history of each FDR Democrat is at their fingertips, sorted by keyword. The best part is the built in macros: for example, Alt-X is all they need to type "Snowden is a big fat liar because the NSA says so!", it saves a ton of typing.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
355. I got to get me one of those macro things.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 09:32 PM
Jun 2014

I could post more often...instead of having to think and type it all out at the same time.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
228. With 106 bans, statistically that is the group most likely being discussed.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:59 AM
Jun 2014

Yet if you look at the people actually posting in the BOG, you see it is mostly the hosts...most other people are banned or don't want to go in there based on it's reputation for intolerance.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
288. You can post inconvenient facts in an accurate manner
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 05:36 PM
Jun 2014

If it's a response it should be within context.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
297. Actually I have no doubt that if you went to the
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:56 PM
Jun 2014

EW group and had legitimate concerns about her people would discuss it with you.

I would bet a dollar it wouldn't peel the skin off of her supporters faces and you would not be instantly banned. You see, the vast majority of posters on this site are capable of dealing with opinions that they might not agree with.

Oh and nice try but as usual a fail from you. No one has ever suggested that it would be a good thing to go into the BOG and "trash" the President. However the BOG rules do not allow for anything other then glowing praise for the President. Which AFAIAC is just fine. I have never understood the heartburn with existence of that group. Frankly it's easy for me to simply ignore the place. Not my cup of tea. However when members of the BOG expect GD to emulate their group, they should expect push back.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
298. You have GD to discuss your "legitimate concerns"
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jun 2014

And plenty of chance to criticize to your heart's content.

In fact some of them get angry that we dare push back and argue! On a board for Democrats!

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
319. So? What?
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:36 AM
Jun 2014

It's a political discussion board. It's a contact sport. Too tough for some? Then that is what the BOG is for.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
321. It is limited
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 09:30 AM
Jun 2014

Freepers aren't allowed. It is for Democrats. People who sound suspiciously like they are not Democrats should not be the ones to whine that anyone supports Democrats.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
322. Uh yeah.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 09:56 AM
Jun 2014

I know the rules. I've been here 3 years longer then you and was a mod for 3 years. Anything else?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
6. I think subscribing has nothing to do with being blocked....
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:53 PM
Jun 2014

....But I think rules are that a member can't be blocked unless they've posted in that group at least once.

My one group block was also based on a chicken shit thing began with baiting in another forum.

I don't know what group you mean, but it's likely that some post of yours from the recent past was unwelcome by one or more hosts.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
50. I got banned from one group.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:29 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:01 PM - Edit history (1)

I wanderd in there by accident from a latest threads thread. I defended somebody who was using inside sarcasm that I did not understand. I did not even violate their SOP and I got banned, right after you did.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
135. your screenname is a gun
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:14 AM
Jun 2014

how long did you want them to wait to decide that you were anti gun control?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
157. Hey, I know Bansalot is a controlled show, I was just curious about
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:35 AM
Jun 2014

who has the most banned DUers; you know, MLB standings and all.


CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
159. I don't have any
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:45 AM
Jun 2014

In all my time here, I haven't banned anyone.

And I've never hosted the Gun Control group.



 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
161. Just compared Bansalot with BOG. Not even close!
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:00 AM
Jun 2014

BOG: 16

Bansalot: 39

Pretty weak, BOG. You don't even make the qualifying rounds!



 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
171. All that shows is that gungeoneers are arrogant and disrespectful.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:08 AM
Jun 2014

They stormed into that group determined to get banned so they could play the victim card and run back to the gungeon and the cave to crow about their banning. There wasn't one inappropriate eviction as far as I know.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
259. Yeah, if you want to be allied with all the bannees from the CC who brag about it.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jun 2014

Nice bunch, all right.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
134. yeah you went to the gun control group and posted against gun control
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:13 AM
Jun 2014

by accident.



i love this place. it's the stories i like!

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
189. Nope, not even close.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:55 AM
Jun 2014

I was defending someone from what I perceived as an insult. I don't think gun control was even mentioned. They were confused, I was a little confused. Then it was explained to me where I was, I was banned without even an explanation. I was banned because of my screen name, not because of anything I posted.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
238. .
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014
Jenoch (6,158 posts)
279. The misunderstanding was that I forgot

Elisonz was a grabber.

You did however insinuate that I was one of the toy gun carriers. Here is a reminder:

"What's the problem? Did he name you?"




why does it bother you that people criticize you for taking the right wing position on issue after issue here? do you not get what this place is for? if you aren't about that, then what makes you think you're so special that people will refrain from criticizing the pap you post here in support of conservative ideas?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
8. If you look at the top of the group it will be stated this is a group
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:54 PM
Jun 2014

looks for the following statement, in other words don't jump on a group and bash the interest of the group.


This is a group, not a forum. Groups often serve as safe havens for members who share similar interests and viewpoints. Individuals who post messages contrary to a particular group's stated purpose can be excluded from posting in that group. For detailed information about this group and its purpose

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
9. Which group was it?
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:55 PM
Jun 2014

I think you can get banned simply for posting something that goes against group rules, whether or not you've actually joined the group as such.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
10. Dissent is not tolerated in some groups
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:55 PM
Jun 2014

They just want to keep hold of their fluffy ideologies, hang on tight and ride out any possible logical challenge.

I feel that any group who can't tolerate dissent probably has a belief system so fragile that it cannot survive scrutiny. Persuasive beliefs thrive in a debate environment.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
56. Not necessarily. In the Socialist Progressives group.......
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:36 PM
Jun 2014

we had an open thread talking about the rules of the group, which is probably still there someplace in the back pages. The members of SP agreed to those rules. Such as they are anyway. Any group with Trotskyists, Stalinists, and several forms of libertarian and council communists, plus a strong anarchist contingent can't have a lot of rules.

Anyway the point is there was no input from the admins on our rules and, if they approved, we didn't know about it.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
62. Well some groups had imput in the sop but the admins have to program the final sop into
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:48 PM
Jun 2014

the software.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
25. respect is expected in most all groups. including the mens group. and when i walk into the mens
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jun 2014

group, i understand that i have an obligation to be respectful. if i am not respectful i would EXPECT them to ban me. just like every person that purposely walks into a group to be disrespectful and disruptive EXPECTS to be banned.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
387. Right.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jun 2014
Respect. As in, not stealing private medical info to pass around to paint someone as not capable / mentally damaged. Were you banned from that group for that? Yes or no. You're so quick to label others as disrespectful, I'd like to know what treatment someone who does something like that receives.
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
158. If you bother to notice
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:43 AM
Jun 2014

I don't go in the groups much. 99%+ of my posts are in General. And that is because I'm not a coward.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
162. aren't a coward for coming on DU because DU itself doesn't allow certain views/people to be promoted
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:09 AM
Jun 2014
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
185. No
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:48 AM
Jun 2014

I go on forums I like. Definitely not as a shelter, which is why I so often argue that DU should relax its rules. And which is why I support the existence of the Discussionist.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
262. it's strange how you view posting on an internet forum a sign of courage or cowardice
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jun 2014

i have thought this for years but a lot of people do seem to think they are engaging in some form of activism by posting on DU .

calling out BOG , HOF etc makes some feel like they are brave and speaking out against something bad.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
264. Not odd at all
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:21 PM
Jun 2014

Since the first day I came online to discuss politics, I saw a difference between right-wingers and left-wingers. They form sites like Freeperville where any deviation from orthodoxy isn't allowed. On the other end of the spectrum, I've always viewed us as being more receptive to opposing views. Those who possess facts and reason don't need enforced orthodoxy because their views have solid foundations. Openness to hearing opposing views is one of the key distinctions between reasonable people and unreasonable people, to me at least.

And from everything I've seen, those who demand orthodoxy do so because their beliefs are so fragile that they would shatter under a challenge.

It is, to me, what separates the mentally strong from the mentally weak. And we see this when those people who protect their views are forced into open debate. Invariable, without the help of juries, they get crushed.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
269. the conservative sites are full of people arguing and fighting and attacking their own party
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jun 2014

if you really feel that way you woudln't come on a board like this at all as there are always restrictions.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
273. Because that is their orthodoxy
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jun 2014

Those sites don't necessarily enforce party policy, but right-wing policies. As capitalist as possible, as anti-abortion as possible, as anti-gay as possible, etc. They don't follow the party line because they are ideologues.

I don't come for the DU, I come for the 20 or so posters I really enjoy reading. Despite the restrictions, there are some eloquent writers on here. And I also come for the debate. By defending my views, sometimes against the tide of DU, it helps me to examine why I support the things I support.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
274. yes, people come to DU for many different reasons
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:39 PM
Jun 2014

for some reason certain people see them posting as a sign of their heroics. strange .

polly7

(20,582 posts)
389. Yes.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:37 AM
Jun 2014

I see that daily. Putting people down for minor disagreements, calling them all sorts of ugly things, running back to the safe group to laugh and scoff - very heroic.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
397. Oh, the horrors of free speech
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:09 PM
Jun 2014

However do you suffer the indignity of people being allowed to express views that aren't first approved by you?

You do get this is about a climate change denier blocked from an environmental group. But predictably it becomes about scapegoating but facts are entirely inconsequential compared to personal grudges, all because you so resent others who have the audacity to express their opinions.

GirlinContempt

(16,987 posts)
289. no.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 06:09 PM
Jun 2014

Some people need a safe space. Period. The fact that you're personally unaffected enough or not emotionally involved doesn't make you better than those that are, and those people deserve safe spaces to discuss their issues.

This idea that somehow you're "weak" bugs the hell out of me. It's so often thrown at women and people of colour and especially women of colour.

I don't know you or anything about you, so I'm not saying this is personally something you do or are trying to do, just to be clear, I'm speaking about the idea generally.

obviously there are cases where it's different, I just think it'simportant to make the distinction. Safe spaces are important, and needed, especially by those who are engaging in unsafe spaces.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
167. why are you calling duers cowards and for a simple fact they want a space to discuss issues without
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:44 AM
Jun 2014

the hate that some must always interject in threads?

here you sit in gd, throwing out the hate, calling people on du cowards.

and here we all are challenging you.

why should your disruption be allowed in every facet of du? why wouldnt a group just be allowed to explore a subject without you interjecting your insults, like coward?

now... where is the coward when we readily address your insults?



Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
179. I wouldn't bother with that one, sea...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:47 AM
Jun 2014

People who feel the need to brag and pat themselves on the back have their own issues.

They're usually the same ones who use condescending language to further demonstrate their "awesomeness."

I steer clear of these types IRL too, they're toxic.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
183. Because it is not hate being banned from groups
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:37 AM
Jun 2014

but merely disagreement. That is the purpose of "protecting" groups: to shelter weak beliefs from scrutiny.

At least I'm confident enough in my beliefs to confront anyone who disagrees.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
187. or the hate is in our face there, and you choose to ignore, deny, or reject the hate that is clear.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:49 AM
Jun 2014

whatever little blue. right in this thread are two men doing the very chest bump, high five badge of honor for getting kicked off hof. their words. we hear them often. didnt mens group start at least one, i am sure more, Ops on people getting kicked off hof, and the giggles... , , , , , , , ?

now. the cowardly comes in.... when i boldly challenge you on this, and jeff acting like he does not get hof hiding these disruptors. he has been host for a couple or more years. banning and warning the disruptors to behave. i can respect the job. and i respect a group when i walk into it. even if i have no respect for the people, what they are saying, what they believe. i have mostly gone in to the mens group to support boys and men.

my statements are simple and easily seen facts. like two men on this thread chest bumping.

i am rolling the dice. right here. right now. for a hide. it will be my fifth, again. and i will be off the board. again. for challenging statements, presenting facts, that are right here in this thread.

because. i am not "civil" enough. i know exactly where the alerter will go on this. for my fifth hide. again. and kicked off the board. again.

to learn my lesson.

for me? corwardly.

do you disagree?

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
192. Why are you talking about a group
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:01 AM
Jun 2014

I've never participated in? If the Mens Group is using the banhammer to shield its arguments from dissent, then I view those arguments as weak. Check my posting history and it will show that I've never participated in that group.

And no, I will not alert on you. If you don't feel comfortable in public, you can shoot me a PM. I will never alert unless it's a spambot. I recognize that you've had issues with alert stalking, but it's not me.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
193. can you misdirect every single thing i said, any more clearly. lol. so fuggin' funny
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:03 AM
Jun 2014

and truly. not well done.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
196. I'm not trying to redirect anyting
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jun 2014

After reading the whole thing, your post was about Mens Group and the chance of you being hidden.

I'd be happy to answer any of your questions if they're clear and I understand them. So when you write several paragraphs about a certain group and ask if I agree, I can't answer because I don't go into the group you're talking about. Which you can easily verify if you use google.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
242. It is an absolute joke that some of you think.....
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:25 PM
Jun 2014

the manner in which one posts on this board takes cowardice or courageous. An absolute laughable joke.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
45. By design. They are 'safe-zones'. That's what they are for. I host the ProChoice group and do NOT
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:20 PM
Jun 2014

tolerate any anti-choice views and that is how it should be. People get away with calling it murder in GD, that's a place we can vent and discuss and get away from that shit.

GD is the place for that and it happens 24/7. There would be no purpose for groups if people were allowed to go there to antagonize on a topic feel passionately about. All groups do and should get the 'perk' of focusing on supporting the topic they address. Every one of them. If it bugs you, stay in GD. There's plenty of arguing here.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
160. No. And to demonstrate my confidence I'm willing to
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:50 AM
Jun 2014

debate anyone. In fact, my interest in debating it is minimal because it is a scientific reality.

But I certainly don't need to hide in an echo chamber, that's for sure.

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
362. But one way to completely derail any useful discussion of the
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:58 AM
Jun 2014

effects of climate change or of possible approaches to dealing with the effects is to allow climate change deniers to force everyone to constantly re-debate what are already well-established scientific truths.

It is a complete waste of everyone's time and energy to have to readdress those fundamental truths--and it is also repetitious and boring. Why bother participating in a discussion at all if it can never get past those predictable (and false) climate change denial talking points?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
172. That is correct. Some groups are safe havens where attacks against their core principals are not
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:10 AM
Jun 2014

allowed. Fortunately you are free to express those beliefs elsewhere, unless of course they are so utterly vile and bigoted that they violate CS/TOS, which in quite a few cases they do.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
287. Dissent isn't tolerated on DU period
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jun 2014

if of the freeper variety.

The groups are different safe havens.

I don't get all the whining about them. You can say anything in GD and it is more likely to be viewed.

H2O Man

(73,333 posts)
11. There are some pretty
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:55 PM
Jun 2014

rigid-thinking people on DU, but mostly open-minded folks. I like to discuss and debate issues with those who strike me as open-minded. And I simply avoid the minority to seem to be attempting perception management.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
304. Thank you justin.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:48 PM
Jun 2014
Jeez! The outrage for a group here. There are rules and SOP as you stated. Yet rules are only good for some and not others I guess.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
22. Safe haven groups by their very nature don't have to tolerate alternate viewpoints.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:00 PM
Jun 2014

Though I do understand the problem, seeing as how there is so obviously not a forum here for discussing general topics.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
23. hahhaha, really a private internet forum is like a dictatorship ? you need to get out in the real
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jun 2014

world.

i understand that some of you view this forum as your form of activism. yelling out BOG makes you feel like you are calling out the enemy and speaking against dictatorship or whatever the fuck.


but really this is a private site where the admin have limits on who can participate. one of the things this forum allows is for members to form their own groups as they want.

doc03

(35,148 posts)
34. It is kind of useless to post if everyone agrees with everything.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:12 PM
Jun 2014

We need a Putin group, so if you disagree with the party line you go to Siberia.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
37. not really, many of us enjoy making fun of republicans together , but why come on a site like this
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:13 PM
Jun 2014

since there are many restrictions about who can post ?

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
97. Riiiiiight. His banning from the environmental group for denying climate change is just like Hitler.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:31 PM
Jun 2014

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
173. OK, petition in ATA for a Putin group.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:12 AM
Jun 2014

I failing to see the lack of discord on practically every issue here. Did you trash GD by accident?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
27. I know, I know, pick me! You got banned from Enviornment and Energy for persistent climate denial.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jun 2014

I bet it was in your message from the host, and since it happened right after you voted in a poll on DU that you don't believe in anthropogenic climate change (and have a years long record of similar comments) it really shouldn't have come as a surprise in any case.

This thread is disingenuous, you know perfectly well why your retrograde and anti-Democratic views on climate and energy policy aren't welcome in that group. If you had a question you could have PM'd the host who banned you (XemaSab) or checked the rules for that group, which are helpfully pinned.

Next question?

doc03

(35,148 posts)
41. No it wasn't in the mesage from the host. You tell me how using coal in China
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:19 PM
Jun 2014

instead of the USA does anything positive for climate change. I agree with 90% of what Democrats
fight for but if you aren't 100% you are un-democratic. I didn't realize I was in a forum where you must agree with everything.
Sounds kind of Tea Partyish to me.

doc03

(35,148 posts)
58. Is that coal we are sending to China being burned as clean as it would be if we used it? hmm As far
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:41 PM
Jun 2014

as the fracking we are in the center of it and I haven't seen anything but a lot of much needed jobs for our area. Our county had over a hundred new millionaires last year from the gas industry leases. I just wish I was one of them..

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
231. funny, it's always about $$$/ self interest to those people angry they can't say anything they want
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:06 PM
Jun 2014

to anyone here. LOL.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
283. Why do you consider it some sort of badge of honor to dispute climate change out of ignorance?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 05:25 PM
Jun 2014

your posts make it pretty clear that you've never studied climate change nor scientists who are expert in that topic.

and for some reason, you think you deserve to post your nonsense "beliefs" (because they aren't science) that climate change isn't occurring in the Environment and Energy group?

why should you feel so entitled to stink up that group with nonscientific claptrap that will need to be debunked (rather easily however) moments after you post it?

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
137. Well on a liberal board, we don't tolerate quacky climate change denial
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:18 AM
Jun 2014

in our environmental groups.

this shouldn't come as a surprise to you, except that how DU operates seems to be a surprise to you as revealed in this thread.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
28. Some groups engage in preemptive bans. (this incorrect info).
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:55 PM - Edit history (1)

The host(s) see you posting in some manner in some forum or group, and then they ban you from posting in theirs.

Its ridiculous, but it is.

(Seabeyond amd William corrected me)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
30. i thought a person had to post in a group before that host could do what they do to ban.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:08 PM
Jun 2014

a host cannot just go out on du and grab names and ban.

am i not correct? i heard that. i do not know for sure never being a group host.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
35. I'm sure there are probably a couple of groups that would want to ban me
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:12 PM
Jun 2014

if I ever posted in them, but I don't, so I don't have a problem. If you post in a Safe Haven group with the intention to shit-stir, yeah, you will get banned from that group. I suspect we aren't getting the whole story here, but I don't know the whole story so I am merely speculating.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
40. i KNOW there are people that do not want me to participate in certain groups and YET...
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jun 2014

if i have something to say, it will not be confrontation but probably something positive that i can be supportive on. i have not had a problem walking into any of the groups and saying what was on my mind. if it was something negative, then no... they get their space. i am cool with that.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
43. Exactly
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:19 PM
Jun 2014

I suspect we aren't getting the whole story here. Just my speculation, but that's my feeling.

TheKentuckian

(24,949 posts)
78. I think the fair balance is safe havens don't show up on greatest, trending, or latest.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:21 PM
Jun 2014

Feel free to cross post for exposure but the situation can arise that someone UNINTENTIONALLY stirs shit and it also creates a cover for assholes to come in and stir the shit "on accident".

If folks want a bubble it needs to work both ways, no need to be out in front of everyone but everyone is not allowed to respond honestly, even if done respectfully as can be.

Don't want people in your face? That is fair, I belong to groups and don't want a disrupt-A-thon 24/7 either but I'm good with not being in everyone's face to have that peace and space.

William769

(55,124 posts)
47. You are correct.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:23 PM
Jun 2014

I have blocked a couple of people in the past couple of days Some for being disruptive in the Group, one for just violating the SOP. The one that violated the SOP sent a nice PM and was unblocked. It's really not hard to get along here if you keep the line of communication open and are not a shithead.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
405. Correct. One pile of feces can intentionally be dumped per group.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:59 PM
Jun 2014

In real life, if someone visited your home and cursed you out, broke your furniture and took a leak on the rug, the welcome mat should be rolled up. Some people live to disrupt and drag down the atmosphere, based on their posting record.

They cannot be pre-emptively banned even though they have a demonstrated pattern of abuse until they diss the group. Such are not visiting a safe haven to add to the group, they're just doing a hit and run, and they know it very well.

Then get banned and go back to their followers and high five them for 'sticking it to the man.' I don't know if that is what this OP is about, I'm just speaking from experience.

Kaleva

(36,147 posts)
350. And you are correct also.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:02 PM
Jun 2014

Hosts of a group can use one's comments in other sections of DU as a reason for banning. For example, I could go to a group and post something as innocent as "Hi!" and be promptly banned because of posts I've made previously elsewhere which may lead hosts of that group to believe I am not supportive of the group's SOP.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
29. Don't post in a group
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:08 PM
Jun 2014

where you have a disparaging view point towards the group's purpose. There are places on DU that I don't post in because I disagree with some of the folks in the group. I'm not banned - I volunteer not to post there because my views are unwelcome. It is a much more civil way of doing things.

You don't HAVE to post in a safe haven group if you disagree with them, so don't.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
38. I've found some groups have little to no sense of humor
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:14 PM
Jun 2014

Be careful about posting light-hearted witticisms!

JI7

(89,182 posts)
39. you deny climate change and think you should be given equal considering in an environment group ?
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:16 PM
Jun 2014

doc03

(35,148 posts)
55. I always go to latest threads and didn't notice it was a (agree with us only)
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jun 2014

thread. If I would have noticed that I wouldn't have gone there. You all stay in your own little world where everyone agrees, I will be sure not to disturb you. I have seen what the EPA has done to thousands and thousands of jobs. I worked in a steel mill all my life it is gone now. We still use steel but today it is made in China with no environmental laws tell me how that has a positive effect on climate change.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
138. you're blaming environmental laws for closing steel mills?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:21 AM
Jun 2014

i see you believe claptrap on a range of topics.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
290. "If I would have noticed that I wouldn't have gone there."
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jun 2014

Then why do you care that you were banned?

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
42. You can be banned for trolling that group for things to post in another group
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:19 PM
Jun 2014

For instance, men who troll for things they can take out of context in one of the women's groups and post on it in the men's group are asking for trouble.

Atheists and Agnostics have had a huge problem with religious people trolling for things to alert on and take back to their own protected groups to encourage even more prejudice against atheists and agnostics.

Unfortunately, being banned from a group doesn't limit a troll's access to posts, it simply denies said troll to post in that group.

That might be one of the main reasons to get banned from any group, especially the protected groups.

Response to doc03 (Original post)

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
82. I got banned in LGTB for saying that Ernest Borgnine was a homophobe
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:38 PM
Jun 2014

I've asked the moderator of LGTB to let me back several times........he's refused

William769

(55,124 posts)
90. Let the whole story be known.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:51 PM
Jun 2014

This is the thread where things happened that got you blocked. Arguing with the Hosts did not help your case at all and that's probably why they still won't allow you back in.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113717254#post1

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
95. Thank you for posting
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:24 PM
Jun 2014

Once again........my insistence of Ernest Borgnine's homophobia and my posting (and taking down) a comedy routine about Brokeback Mountain and my defense of the comedian, who is a huge LGTB advocate, got me banned..........And now I know why I'm still not allowed back for something that happened 2 YEARS ago.


 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
83. Lemme give you a word of advice, before posting a reply...look to see what group it is in
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jun 2014

go to that group, if they have a lot of bans (click on About this Group and scroll down) then you are probably wasting your time replying. JUST REMEMBER, groups are NOT democratic! They are usually single issue and if you rock their boat, they will sink yours with the ban hammer!

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
84. It only requires posting, not joining
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jun 2014

I'm banned from a group I never joined as well. I did post there though.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
92. Here is a thread full of people trashing HoF and BOG and wondering why HoF and BOG don't want to
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:03 PM
Jun 2014

talk to them.

The immediate assumption by all those doing the trashing was that the OP was banned from HoF or BOG.

And the group that the OP was banned from was NEITHER OF THEM!

Typical.

But there's no racism or sexism around here! No, sir!

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
105. All this is because the environmental group banned a climate change denier. And now he's annoyed.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:39 PM
Jun 2014


The stupid, it burns.
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
107. Between the two, they have 62 people on their shit lists.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:43 PM
Jun 2014

It would seem to be a reasonable suggestion.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
123. you and i both know, and lets not pretend, those posters run into hof to disrupt then chest bump
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:28 AM
Jun 2014

and high fives to their fellow disruptors because they are banned.

what game are we playing jeff?

a poster, with his first post, magically finds his way to hof to trash us.

are you suggesting we put up with it? or is it yet another example how men works so hard to make the net mans space and they resent the hell when women will not accomodate, resorting to creating a hostile environment for women.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
246. That's not exactly true.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:57 PM
Jun 2014

Some of us were banned for responding to call-outs that were complete, blatant lies in the HOF group, hiding when doing it because you knew it wouldn't survive GD. You can 'magically' invent all sorts of reasoning for every blocking, but that's really not always the truth.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
341. What you do is berate
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:14 PM
Jun 2014

in entirely personal terms people who have the audacity to express views you disapprove of, like speaking out against MRA hate groups because you decide that must include all men, despite the fact most men want nothing to do with them. I have also seen you behave similarly to members who don't buy into your RT propaganda about Russia.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
351. Nah, I call a spade a spade.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jun 2014

All this talk of being blocked for doing horrible things is bullshit. I was blocked, just as I stated, for responding to a blatant call-out by name - I have a perfect right to respond to lies - lies that were later admitted to. Have you got something about shutting up certain women? Or just not women in your safe group? Speaking of safe groups - how safe is a group when info can be harvested to be pm'd around to besmirch someone's mental state, and then later an apology demanded for 'forcing' someone to do that? Did you go to the aid of the person being maligned and hurt by that? Stupid question!!! You couldn't have cared less. Like I said, only certain womens rights matter to some here. You might want to monitor yourselves before you spread bullshit about anyone else. I don't know anyone in an MRA hate group - you seem much more familiar with them than I - I have no interest in hate groups. I've never posted anything from RT/ LINK? I was branded a homophobe for insisting that a whole nation of 37 million people shouldn't be broad-brushed for the laws their lawmakers enact. How is that so terrible? Do you believe in broad-brushing? I hope not, feminists I know would puke at the thought. I guess we can pretend to be anything on the internet though, right?

Link for my RT posts.

Waiting.

You seem to be on some mean-girl quest to divide people here according to your authoritarian standards. Won't work - we're not sheep, and we're all progressives with our own beliefs in what's right is right and wrong is wrong. Your standards certainly don't represent most women here, thank god ..... maybe 'a dog's life' might have been more persuasive.

Dont 'dogging' me yet? Because no worries, I'm fully prepared to answer any and all of your smarmy accusations. I'd get my facts straight first though for next time if I were you.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
356. Jesus. I wasn't even a member when that stuff was going on
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jun 2014

How many times are you going to accuse me of things I had no involvement in? I have told you that before. Your response is not rational.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
358. You were here when the apology was demanded a few weeks ago.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:10 PM
Jun 2014

Your response is so far from rational as to not being believable. Pick and choose much which women are deserving of atrocious treatment? It seems so. Which is why I have zero to nil faith in any of your lofty claims that all women deserve to be treated with respect. Come on, you can do better than that. Once again, it's not all about you, it's your reaction to things you're well aware of but choose to ignore in favour of protecting those who agree with you.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
378. I don't do steam of consciousness
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 06:22 AM
Jun 2014

and I am not interested in your old Meta grudges. Quit bringing them up to me. It has nothing to do with me, and I am not even remotely interested. I am hardly going to take your word about anything, given how seldom your accounts conform with the facts.

And why exactly should I care about you when you have never been anything but hostile to me? You think being born female means I owe you something? You certainly don't treat all other women with respect, but you insist I should champion you? I form my views and relationships with people based on character and my experiences with them, not chromosomes. These essentialist arguments of yours are absurd--not to mention forty years out of date--but then the fact you don't even make the slightest effort to live up to what you insist others do shows how hollow your accusations are.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
381. Blah, blah, blah ....
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:09 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:50 AM - Edit history (1)

Sorry, you bore me, and I've seen enough of your dishonesty to pretty much discount anything and everything you have to say about 'morals' and 'character'. And no ......... I certainly do not expect you to 'champion' lol me, or anyone else here you show, and have shown such derision for. It would be an insult if you did, for me, frankly. Now go 'dog' someone else. You're not believable.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
360. You asked for links
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:22 PM
Jun 2014

You responded this way to an OP about the Men's Rights Movement. There are several similar responses in this subthread.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025018878#post87

People told you that Men's Right's didn't mean all men, it meant MRAs, but that didn't deter you in the slightest. In fact you felt compelled to post an OP continuing your strawman argument. http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025020142

I'm not wading into that Russian propaganda crap to look for links. I've seen a lot of weird shit in my day, but that kind of uncritical view of Russia is up there with the strangest. I could understand if Russia were still communist because at least there would be an ideological justification. As it stands, I just find it bizarre. I'm guessing at least one of those four hides you've racked up related to that subject matter, so your own transparency page might be of use there.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
361. Links that I posted RT sites?
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:28 PM
Jun 2014
You said it, you wade into it and find them. Waiting.

As I said, I don't 'do' MRA. You seem to be the expert. Perhaps you have much more of an interest than I do .... I don't let irrelevant, stupid shit drive me to accuse posters on a progressive message board of horrible, ugly things by association. That's your shtick, not mine.

I criticize any country, coup, etc. that believes austerity and IMF that has caused horrendous rates in suicide, poverty, lack of social programs and overall dissatisfaction and hopelessness is a good thing. You find that odd? Tough shit.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
364. This is in YOUR journal
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:06 AM
Jun 2014

(I did not actually say you posted RT news stories, but since you decided to distract from the overwhelming evidence proving your claims false by focusing on that piece, it's easy enough to prove that the RT claim is yet another "untruth."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113453749
http://rt.com/news/gaza-flood-emergency-israel-255/

People can read the links themselves and will quite clearly see evidence of everything you have denied.

The links in my previous post showed that you clearly do MRA, or at least get yourself all exercised because someone dared to criticize a hate group.

I have asked you for links to your accusations of me before and you never can provide them, so I know to do so now is pointless. Part of the problem is your grasp of facts is shaky, so you end up charging me with all kinds of shit that you think other people have done. Given the source, I have no reason to believe others are guilty of anything you charge anyway. This entire discussion and the links I've provided to refute your denials and allegations. I don't know if you willfully distort or something else is going on, but it is troubling. I don't think I've ever known anyone who denied what they posted quite so often.







polly7

(20,582 posts)
382. You said I posted RT material.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:13 AM
Jun 2014

It looks like you were WRONG, as is everything else you accuse people of. lmfao at yet another attempt to deflect though. You're hilarious (not really, but I had to give you something).

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
394. WTF?
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 05:32 PM
Jun 2014

Your post I linked to above is from RT. Are you seriously denying that? Everyone can clink to the link and see it.


Again, here is a link to a story in your journal, and below that is the source you site in that post. http://www.democraticunderground.com/113453749
http://rt.com/news/gaza-flood-emergency-israel-255/
rt.com That is the source you link to. Holy Shit. Words do not exist to convey how bizarre your denials are.



sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
152. Hey Jeff
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:05 AM
Jun 2014

About the BOG...

How can a poster say...

I had no clue I was posted in a group. They were in GD, I never knew. I never knew!

How can they sat that when we started posting...

****************THIS IS POSTED IN THE BARACK OBAMA GROUP*****************

BTW. I posted to people as a host and told them they were in a group with DU rules. Some self deleted in respect for the group, some doubled down and others were banned. I reinstated one that wanted to apologize to the group.

The shit came from said posters. Not the shit list Jeff.

We are a group not a forum. You don't like that take it to Skinner. BTW he already answered that question. The BOG stays. And we will not be banned from GD.
.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
169. he is a host of the mens group. he has banned people himself. he has told posters to behave
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:56 AM
Jun 2014

or they would be banned. not that many people walk into mens group to purposely disrupt even with the garbage in there, yet many men will walk into a womans group to mark their territory.

says a hell of a lot to walk into this thread and attack other groups for doing precisely what he has done in the past.

and unwilling to recognize the purposeful intent to disrupt a group.

instead of being thankful that us women respect their groups sop and enter respectfully or stay out. he would rather insinuate a problem with hof and bog, than with disruptive posters that high five each other. kinda like up thread.

badge of honor to be kicked out.

him. chest bumps and high fives all around. da menz...

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
323. I find this post highly provocative.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:04 AM
Jun 2014

And I mean that in a neutral sense. The post "provoked" thought in me. Kudos.

If I agree with you that men are territorial, by nature (and not by training), is it "bad" that men are inclined to mark their territory? And, if it's both "natural" and bad, in your opinion, would we be surprised that some people might argue that "some feminists hate men" because they reject and demean what men are naturally inclined to do?

And, on the other hand, if this "territorial marking behavior" that you describe (and accurately so, I think) is not natural, but, rather, cultural, should we not assume that there's some useful purpose for it? Is it not valuable in some way?

Thanks for the provocative post.

-Laelth

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
326. boys will be boys. in all things to dominate and control women, use boys will be boys.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:25 AM
Jun 2014

it is innate. it is biological. how can they help themselves. you know what laelth as men abuse, and excuse is made, i want to know all the shit women get away with cause girls are just being girls.

and a clue in. i cannot see a single one.

that there should tell you there is a problem.

so, men are conditioned they are privileged and entitled to ALL space. hence sittin spread out, to ensure as much room as possible, and fuck the person sittin next to them. being claustrophobic myself, i say fuck that shit. i am spreading out to own my space. oooops, didnt meet the girls will be girls of constricting self as small as possible (to not be heared or seen and appear timid) because i will be damn if i will see myself in that manner and allow.

i am totally clueless how spoiled men of society that has been guaranteed such rights of ownership of all space can equate "my space" with women hate men. but. regardless. if the brain is gonnna say, society promises me my entitlement to all space, and a woman does not allow it, she hates men. then that is his stupid, in so much of the stupid of this world. and no way do i have to coddle the ego cause he refuses or is unable to do a little self reflecting addressing his issues. call me a man hater, and fuck that person. i do not own it. a man wants to see me as a man hater in his own petulance, that is his, not mine.

and no. because men have had power, control and dominance, and has been taught that is his masculinity, ergo his right does not mean it is for a purpose, but they always had the control and it works for them. so tell me laelth....

men forever have had the control, dominance and power. yet.... they are so so so damn fearful of women. so damn fearful of even a little equality. because what? they no longer have the dominance? they truly feel inadaquit? society has assured them forever they are superior so they must always prove it out? just simple spoiled children syndrome? because the world is telling them from birth they are superior yet mom has control and dominance, that would make their young brains see the whole world of women being wrong?

what would that be?

there are all kinds of gender roles society teaches us. some of us have well moved past them. i have no patience for those that refuse cause it behooves them and ultimately hurts them. i will not be part of that game.

men feel it is their entitled right to shut up women, invade their space, dominate conversation. it starts very young. (we see it in studies in classrooms, in a work environment). and the more women do not allow it, MOST men get it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
328. provacative. i agree. here is the simple answer laelth. i wnt to hear what you say.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jun 2014

what is the problem?

because laelth, the men are peeing on me to mark me. i say no.

take it to your biology. now what?

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
329. sea, I lack the emotional energy and strength to withstand your hostility.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:38 AM
Jun 2014

I made a mistake responding to you above, and I am sorry for that.

Peace.

-Laelth

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
331. cool. i hear you. truly. and you are making me play this one out. i am not gonna deny a
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:44 AM
Jun 2014

hostility. i would hope that you could get why being marked might be met with hostility. but as i keep saying... you provoked. not good or bad. but, thought.

Response to seabeyond (Reply #328)

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
411. Wow.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 02:25 AM
Jun 2014

How could ANYONE ever get the idea you carry around 50 tons of resentment for men with you wherever you go?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
182. I'm not commenting about the rest of the thread... it's a waste of time.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:32 AM
Jun 2014

I'm just saying that if someone is complaining about having been blocked from a group, the statistical probability is that it was done by HoF or BOG.

A 46 person shit list is seriously ridiculous. It shows that the ideas discussed within can't withstand scrutiny.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
190. it is seriously ridiculous that hof have so many people that feel the need to attack women.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jun 2014

and that will be what we talk about in that group. how so many people, mostly men, need to be able to treat women like shit. one way or another. you are right jeff. i agree totally. that is so very very fucked up that so many men walk in there to be hateful, then cheer their banning. i would be so fuckin fuckin disgusted if i was among a bunch of like minded people, and they did something like that. nasty. you are correct. i totally agree.

now what?

now what do you do to fix the problem of men coming into our group and calling all of us the c word?

hmmmm?

i think you are one of the most pragmatic people on du, and understand the issue clearly.

YOU tell me how we stop men coming into our group and being ugly.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
235. You already know that your liberal use of the block functionality...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:08 PM
Jun 2014

... is a primary reason for the antagonistic relationship, and that antagonism is perceived as relevance. It's a self-fulfilling thing and a destructive cycle; the more animosity - the more justification for the crusade.

The smartest thing I ever did as TMG host was to (mostly) purge the block list last January. Only one person who was previously blocked has found their way back onto it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
237. not fuggin even, but... i do apprecaite the flexibility in your statement, jeff.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014

i am off the board and time to play.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
339. See how many are actually active posters
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:59 PM
Jun 2014

Maybe a dozen at most. There seem to be a lot of names that had no interest in posting once banned from HOF, almost like that was the only reason for the account.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
340. Block lists, like jury blacklists, should be maintained.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 03:48 PM
Jun 2014

It seems to me that individuals who are no longer members of DU or who haven't posted in a year could be safely removed from a blocklist.

But then again, it depends on your reasons for having a list in the first place. If your purpose in having a huge list is to serve as a reminder of the persecution, provocation and maltreatment your group experiences (fer realz!), and justification for continued vitriol and trolling, then the only problem is a technical one: the host must wait until persona non grata actually posts something.

But the odds of luring Mr or Ms non grata within the host's reach is improved by using half of the HoF bandwidth in meta callouts. Look! 47 names! We're 2% more persecuted that we were yesterday! Now let's target the author of this thread!

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
386. No, in fact I suggested to one of the hosts she clear up the list
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:06 AM
Jun 2014

but she said the problem was that if you take them off, they receive an email notifying them. She didn't want to awaken the dead, which struck me as a cogent point.

Yours may be short, but it is sweet, given you have the most repellant creature in existence on there--you know, like me, someone who might go in there and call you on your group's favorite pastime, talking shyte about the horrible feminists, almost as though no men's issues actually existed.

But you get back to monitoring HOF. Clearly you find that far more interesting than your own group. The fascination we hold never fails to amuse.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
388. That would make perfect sense if it were HoF members who
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:15 AM
Jun 2014

obsessed over the blocked list and constantly brought it up,but it's not.



"If your purpose in having a huge list is to serve as a reminder of the persecution, provocation and maltreatment your group experiences"

Well,it's either your grand conspiracy or the list just hasn't been cleaned up.I'm guessing the latter.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
391. I shared my positive experience with the HoF host
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jun 2014

after I cleaned up the tmg block list.

For some reason, she is of the opinion that cleaning up the list would be counterproductive and that even people who haven't accessed DU in many months should remain on it.

Since the long list doesn't serve a functional purpose, all that's left is its PR value.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
432. That would assume that anybody but you gives a fuck how many people are on "the list".
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:17 PM
Jun 2014

I have rarely, if ever, looked at it.

Some people are freakishly obsessed with strange things, IMO.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
300. Reminds me of today's Jonah Goldberg quote.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jun 2014

I supported the war, and I still think the arguments in favor at the time were superior to the arguments against. Alas, the facts on the ground didn’t care about the arguments.


http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2014/06/it-was-me-who-provoked-fatal-barrage-of.html

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
116. Amazing, isn't it...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:11 AM
Jun 2014

BOG and HOF taking a beating, when it was Environment and Energy that blocked the poster.

All those posters with their biases flapping in the wind.

Sid

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
142. Oh the irony~
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:34 AM
Jun 2014


snort...

All those posters with their biases flapping in the wind.


Oh they exposed themselves alright! There biases

Luv ya Sid!

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
151. Same story with the Rude Pundit alert
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:04 AM
Jun 2014

It got blamed on HOF, when none of us were the alerter or on the jury, as far as I know.

Anything happens around here, and people look for scapegoats because that's just who they are. The truth is entirely irrelevant.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
203. And now that whole episode has been rewritten in the DU history books as complaints against swearing
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:27 AM
Jun 2014

rather than complaints against racist and sexist slurs.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
210. that is exactly what happen. cause then, the argument can be cencorship. so i haev to wonder who
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:32 AM
Jun 2014

exactly started this shit cause it feeds into the hands of allowing racism and sexism with the excuse a true democrat does not censor. at all. ever. or, not progressive at all.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
271. That was the most pathetic part of it
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:34 PM
Jun 2014

Using the seven words doesn't make someone smart or insightful. George Carlin they aint.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
178. I've been reading through this
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:41 AM
Jun 2014

And that was my thought exactly. This op had/has nothing to do with BOG or HOF. Very bizarre how they became the focus.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
221. Yup. Enough was finally enough...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jun 2014

The E&E Hosts are among the most fair and level-headed Hosts of any at DU.

If only GD was run as well as E&E.

Sid

greatauntoftriplets

(175,698 posts)
232. And since we know where he was blocked from and why...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:07 PM
Jun 2014

it makes absolutely no sense except an opportunity to bash two groups.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
127. this type of thread does expose and reveal a lot
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:53 AM
Jun 2014

i wonder if those people realize how similar they are to the climate change types.

this is a democratic board so there is an expectation that one should lean a certain way politically. why should racism, sexism be allowed and why should those who deny climate change be given equal standing as those with facts.

and it's not a dictatorship. it's a fucking political board. you can go to right wing sites if you want to spew sexist and anti science shit. or start your own.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
130. I'll never understand why so much anti-Democratic stuff is tolerated here. Because it seems like
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:03 AM
Jun 2014

there are a lot of people posting here who never got the memo that racial and gender equality rights are cornerstone Democratic principles. And others who simply don't seem to know what racial and gender equality rights are.

As for the dictatorship nonsense and the comparisons of a DU safe-haven ban to Hitler's brown shirts, I often find myself wishing the drama mongers weren't quite so predictably absurd.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
153. Some have decided that misogyny, racism, and homophobia
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:07 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:49 PM - Edit history (1)

are now liberal virtues--or at least the language associated with them--and that if anyone objects they must be a right-winger, especially women who object to being called c..... That is where we are at. You can tell how much some really care about unity when they go around using bigoted language for kicks. I've never known a liberal who behaved that way, and I don't think I will ever meet one. Liberalism and straight white male supremacy are mutually exclusive, no matter how anyone tries to spin in. And the claims that calling women c....s doesn't mean what the dictionary says is the most transparent BS ever. If they meant something else, they would choose another word. They mean what they say, and the words they choose demonstrate exactly who they are.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
170. boggles my mind watching du advocate protecting racism, sexism and homophobia.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:58 AM
Jun 2014

i thought that was the republican platform, not democratic.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
371. "Some have decided that misogyny, racism, and homophobia are now liberal virtues" I'm sorry, but....
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:43 AM
Jun 2014

that's not true. It is, in fact, grade A crapola perhaps worthy of GlobalResearch.....

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
136. Squinch!
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:15 AM
Jun 2014

I am a BOGer ...and I love the voices at HOF!

But there's no racism or sexism around here! No, sir!


Thank you for standing for us all!

JI7

(89,182 posts)
163. there were many threads on race
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:17 AM
Jun 2014

with people having problems with those who would bring up race and privilege and just any discussion on the issue.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
219. BOG has a high percentage of POC posters. More than GD.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:40 AM
Jun 2014

That's been apparent since its inception.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
275. also many post in African American Group but not as much or at all in BOG
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:43 PM
Jun 2014

yet they call them out by using "BOG". so that's why i think many really mean black when they use that.



cui bono

(19,926 posts)
294. Oh gawd. Seriously. People call out the BOGGERS because they can't take any criticism of their
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jun 2014

precious Obama. They take it personally, react emotionally and deny facts and refuse to discuss actual policy, generally posting simplistic retorts followed by smilies, one in particular. The people calling them on that have no racial thoughts what so ever.

I had no idea of the racial make up of the group.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
309. "Precious Obama".. you got that right. You have the whole board to call out the President and you
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:00 AM
Jun 2014

couldn't handle respecting the Barack Obama Group to adhere to their Mission Statement. And, continue to whine about ad nauseum.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
334. You know what I find interesting????
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:09 PM
Jun 2014

The disdain people of color are treated to by white progressives on this board.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
335. I do too. I couldn't believe the bs posts in the "white privilege" threads.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:25 PM
Jun 2014

You'd think we'd be past that by now. Clearly there's a lot more work to do.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
307. + a billion. No wonder so many black folks and women have hauled ass from this place and not looked
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 03:50 AM
Jun 2014

back. Whole thread of folks showing their asses and wondering why this place doesn't even come close to representing a microscopic SLIVER of the real Democratic Party.

Better bookmark it! Because the "what?? DU has racists/sexists here??!" folks will be out as soon as this thread dies.

Cha

(295,926 posts)
316. Yeah, Squinch.. Oooops.. it was the Environmental Group because OP is a Climate Change Denier..
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:27 AM
Jun 2014

but hey..what do the trashers care? they get to whine about HOF and the BOG. So it's all good.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
370. I'm a pretty devoted Bogger myself.....but HoF does have it's problem people, though.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:40 AM
Jun 2014

Okay, they're not the only ones, and 99% of them, I'm sure, are rather decent people. But I've had some unfortunate run-ins with the not-so-nice ones.


But there's no racism or sexism around here


What racism? I dunno about you, but last I checked, DU didn't have a racism problem(other than the occasional trolls, but even the deep cover ones get zapped after a while). And the (male) sexists seem to be largely confined to the Men's Group, So I dunno what to tell you.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
106. Or, alternatively, the environment and energy group doesn't want to waste its time with climate
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:41 PM
Jun 2014

change deniers.

Those meanie bullies!

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
125. I think those complaining have a problem with the idea that within the safe havens, no one
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:33 AM
Jun 2014

is required to converse with them.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
126. You were blocked from E&E?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:48 AM
Jun 2014

Be glad. It is a backwater group which is pretty much useless. Check it out, page after page of one post OP's that have no discussions following.

Besides that the hosts there think they own the place. There is no SOP, they never wrote one so they could just mess with people. And the hosts have never changed... they are hosts for life!

You would think an issue like E&E would not be handed over to a small group of people to play with as they please with no alternative discussions allowed.

And yes, i was blocked from there and it turns out to be a very good thing for me. It was a real waste of time. Oh, i was blocked because the host demanded i ignore another poster. Talk about dictatorial. That other poster ended up blocked because she claimed protestors should be shot. Yes. Peaceful protestors should be shot.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
128. do you really need an explanation for why climate change denial should not be allowed
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:55 AM
Jun 2014

in a group that is about environment and energy ?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
132. E&E shouldn't be a group
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:14 AM
Jun 2014

It should be like Politics and GD.
Especially a group with hosts for life.

The SOP says discuss everything relating to environment and energy. I've been arguing against climate deniers for 20 years. Having them in E&E is not a big deal to me. Were i a host there i'd say bring it, let's discuss it.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
140. I can vouch for your credibility
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:30 AM
Jun 2014

well the lack thereof.

RobertEarl (6,960 posts)
23. Yeah, and it is time to do this

Everyone needs to come to grips with the fact that the privileged white male has been very, very good for this society. That thru that privilege our human society have great things upon which our easy lives' rest. Our unions and our work ethic have resulted in all of us living like only the few kings and queens did 100 years ago.

I am a wm and I'm proud and privileged.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2139120

RobertEarl (2,748 posts)
52. My opinion

Since our society is making progress and slowly dropping the wall of privilege, or glass ceiling, the society as a whole will improve. Be better.

But it is what it is and we can thank the wm, as a whole, for producing the easy life we now enjoy. The US and Europe have it very, very good historically, and imo, it has to do with the affirmative action the wm embraced and made good with.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2139421

Sure, I could post examples of your environmental goofiness, but I think the above is really testament to what you bring to DU.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
147. You hate America?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:54 AM
Jun 2014

Facts is facts.

I am proud to be a man in America and proud to have been a part of building America's creature comforts. From down in the ditch to the rooftop, from grease monkey to first astronauts, men have built up what all of us take for granted. I stand behind that and am proud of it. Too bad yall hate that.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
177. Post hoc ergo prmopter hoc...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:17 AM
Jun 2014

Your premise is fundamentally predicated on the fallacy, 'post hoc ergo prmopter hoc...'

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
243. Listen, no one here gives a shit about your heroic white male fantasies.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jun 2014

America was built by many people. And not just many people but predominantly by subjugated classes. That includes persons of color and women.

Now you can indulge in your little white male capitalist fantasy all you want. But the rest of us who live in reality have better things to do. What are those things? Keeping this country running so people like you can pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
306. ditto that
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:58 AM
Jun 2014

It's a hell of a lot more than sad though. It belongs on FR, and has no business whatsoever of being here and neither do those that spout such monstrous RW ignoramus feces.



 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
250. I am sensing hostility and anger in your post
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jun 2014

That's not healthy, y'know?

Maybe even a bit of misandry? Yep.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
260. I'm sorry, does not bowing to patriarchal white supremacy make me a misandrist?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jun 2014

What a brave new world we live in.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
263. Haha
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:15 PM
Jun 2014

You should do an OP all about it.

Get it out of your system. Let it all out. Otherwise, good bye.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
280. You're the one dedicated so fervently to the power of white men.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:07 PM
Jun 2014

You write the OP. You have the gusto necessary to make it pop.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
144. Bwahahaha
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:40 AM
Jun 2014

You've been carrying that around for awhile, eh?

Oh, and look, you make a personal attack, too. Bwahahaha.

Bad dog. Go away. Shooo...

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
261. I must admit
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:12 PM
Jun 2014

Beating down the nuke supporters and deniers of nuclear contamination has been a large part of my participation here.

The main gist of that has been to educate the uneducated and lied to innocents who are victims of the nuke power industries' transgressions.

There has been some success, but as evident from your responses, much work remains to be done.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
266. The only lies in the news story and thread about the Klamath Basin were told by you
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jun 2014

Although since they seemed to emanate from your ignorance of the issue, perhaps they weren't intentional lies, though they were false statements.

You'd know that if you spent time learning about the topic that you instead spent time lecturing others to ignore the experts on.

With rather predictable results.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
195. I am man, hear me r---write? ROFLMAO
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:07 AM
Jun 2014

HOLY SHIT Bobby look up!

The white man is dumping more chem trails on us!

NickB79

(19,114 posts)
409. Still pissy about being called on your radiation fantasies, I see
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 01:43 AM
Jun 2014

I recall you posted quite extensively on EE, until everyone got tired of you blaming every dead housefly and dandelion on radiation poisoning from Fukushima.

Then you took that shit to GD and got your ass handed to you there as well.

And now, with your audience gone, all you can do is spit spite at the rest of us. Bravo.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
410. Hahaha
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 02:03 AM
Jun 2014

I sense a lot of anger and hate in your post.

The pro-nuke people will do and say anything to whitewash the damages done by nukes.

As for audience: Look at my posts in GD about nukes. Sometimes thousands of views and many recs. Here's one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025136319


58 recs

64 replies, 2851 views

Once again you are just pissing in the wind and wondering why you are all wet.

Bwahahaha.

Again, the hosts for life in E&E are playing their games. Too, they are mostly pro-nuke. Like you, they hate me because i had to correct them so many times about their dumb pro-nuke stances.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
175. for those trashing certain groups. these groups are also the MOST active on du.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:13 AM
Jun 2014

there are many people appreciative of having discussions on these flame issues in a respectful environment as opposed to having every subject, ever OP contaminated with disruption and derailing of the subject.

it is not always just about arguing a subject. some people want to freely discuss an issue in respect rather than battle the derailing.

that is what these groups afford members of du. and seeing that these groups are hands down the most active groups, i would suggest that they are of value to members here.

Response to doc03 (Original post)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
225. Yes they do, very good observation.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jun 2014

They have little/no control in RL, so they make up for it by their control over other people in the VR.

Noticed that one too a long time ago.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
202. you have been very comfortable with du from day one. we are allowed to think you are a returnee.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:25 AM
Jun 2014

surely we can think that. i get we are not allowed to say it out loud cause that is rolling the dice. but... here is the thing. we know returnees, return.

right?

kinda a duh.

and if we ever get confused on that, you can go onto a handful of site that talk about du. and people talk about trolling du. and being disruptors.

these are facts.

Response to seabeyond (Reply #202)

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
188. Be proud to be banned from the BOG!
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:49 AM
Jun 2014

It means you are not a lemming and seek the truth!

Too bad we can't self ban from groups

Attention BOG please ban me if you have not already and BOG members feel free to put me on ignore too!

Same goes for the equivalent Hillary group ban me now.


freshwest

(53,661 posts)
433. Yes, plus the disgraced AverageJoe90. I'd reply to him about his claim to be a BOGGER, but since
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:59 PM
Apr 2015
AJ90 can't reply, I'd have told him that he should have noticed that no one ever replied to his posts in the BOG, as far as I can tell.

Everytime he slithered into the BOG, it made my skin crawl! So glad he's gone. Many need to go back to Breitbart, Alex Jones, Libertarian Republican, CC or the Daily Paul to be with their heroes.

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
434. Funny you should post to this thread tonight, fresh.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 11:16 PM
Apr 2015

I just reread it an hour ago.

Haters gonna hate.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
194. You're still new, so maybe you didn't know....
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:03 AM
Jun 2014

You can self-ban, it's simple:

1. You can "hide the group" so it doesn't show up at all, or...

2. Just don't fucking go there.

Simple.

But I suppose either one of the two options would deprive you of this bizarre, self-righteous victory lap.

Go, you!!

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
197. Did not know I could do hide groups but I do not fucking go there either
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:12 AM
Jun 2014

However BOG threads pop up on GD and I have almost replied before too.

Besides why cheat the BOGers out of the satification of banning those who do not agree with them.

I am being nice and giving them that.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
211. I feel like posting in there just to get banned
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:33 AM
Jun 2014

It would be a badge of honor, but I can't bring myself to click on those threads.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
215. and another chest bumping another. badge of honor. you guys. you really are making this way too
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jun 2014

easy

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
220. little blue. i rarely even respond to your posts. i have gone way over my quota for you, as it is.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jun 2014

Response to doc03 (Original post)

Response to Name removed (Reply #207)

Response to seabeyond (Reply #212)

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
209. by being a douche?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jun 2014

i dunno, i find that douchiness is why most people get blocked from most things on DU

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
428. Considering how many people have been banned from BO group...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:49 AM
Jun 2014

I would say that honest discussion is not welcome there. Is it really such a big deal to criticize the president? Most people who have been banned from that group probably actually approve of the job that President Obama has been doing. They just don't think that he is perfect or incapable of mistakes or bad decisions.

The BO group exists to foster a cult of personality that is unhealthy in a free society.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
239. Look at me!!!!!!!
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014

Started a meta thread in GD and getting all kinds of meta responses.


Meta sucked.

Response to doc03 (Original post)

billh58

(6,635 posts)
285. Which part of this SOP do you not understand?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 05:29 PM
Jun 2014

"This is a group, not a forum. Groups often serve as safe havens for members who share similar interests and viewpoints. Individuals who post messages contrary to a particular group's stated purpose can be excluded from posting in that group."

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
349. I was banned from the BO group.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jun 2014

Considering how many others have been banned, I actually consider it a badge of honor. I don't go into the HOF group, so I don't think I'm officially banned there.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
429. As I replied to that poster, Bobbie Jo...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jun 2014

Considering how many people have been banned from the BO group, I would say that honest discussion is not welcome there. Is it really such a big deal to criticize the president? Most people who have been banned from that group probably actually approve of the job that President Obama has been doing. They just don't think that he is perfect or incapable of mistakes or bad decisions.

The BO group exists to foster a cult of personality that is unhealthy in a free society.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
430. Exaggeration
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jun 2014

doesn't help make your case.

As another DU'er pointed out upthread, it's typically a behavior issue that gets a poster booted from a group.

There are a number of subgroups listed under the "Democrats" heading on Democratic Underground. Focusing animosity on the BOG seems a bit like sour grapes, IMO....

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
363. What group were you banned from?
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:27 AM
Jun 2014

There are many protected groups. The are a number of more open groups, like GD. Perhaps it was a mistake?

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
365. It really depends on the people running the group.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:19 AM
Jun 2014

Unfortunately, in my own case, I got banned, not for actually violating the SOP, but merely for disagreeing with a popular clique there, and being willing to stand by my beliefs, and facts used to back up those beliefs(the group being E & E and the clique being the climate doomers, who are still somewhat dominant).


 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
423. Well, they kinda are, unfortunately.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:33 AM
Jun 2014

I'm sure you may have heard of Guy McPherson, right? Our resident climate doomer extraordinaire, GliderGuider, seems to be rather fond of the fellow. And McPherson's got a fairly sizable following in some circles outside DU, too, unfortunately.

Here's his website(warning: lots of doomsday woo and other nuttiness inside.):
http://guymcpherson.com/

And this, is only one example.

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