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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnyone else wondering why an "Islamist" group would have an acronym like "ISIS"?
Islamists never respect or acknowledge the validity of pre-Islamic religions that once existed in countries that are now Muslim(remember what the Taliban did to the old Buddhist statues in Afghanistan, for example).
So why would an "Islamist" group ever use an acronym that(in English) spelled out the name of a goddess in the old Egyptian religion?
It does sound, however, like something outsiders organizing a "false flag" operation for the purpose of hanging a "Fall of Saigon" moment on Obama could come up with, not realizing that it might look a bit "off".
Especially, perhaps, associates of a former vice president who owns a company whose name begins with "H".
Clearly, it's something to investigate.
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(82,333 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)"Islamists" have always been media-savvy that way.
It's why they always have English-language signs at their rallies, for example.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)"Usually conscious"?
Based on what facts?
Because threats about the MILF insurgents get locked here.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)According to this article, the group's Arabic name is "al-Dawla al-Islamiya fil-Iraq wa al-Sham".
They weren't thinking of Isis, Goddess of the Throne:
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)But actual Islamist groups usually have some English-speakers in their ranks, and normally one of them would have pointed out the problem there, probably angrily.
JI7
(89,182 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)"Al-Sham" is the traditional Arabic reference to the region which includes Syria. It could well be that even an English speaker would not have gone the extra step in excluding all other countries in that region.
Al-Sham is the classical Arabic term for Damascus and its hinterlands, and over time, it came to denote the area between the Mediterranean and the Euphrates, south of the Taurus Mountains and north of the Arabian desert. Similarly, in Egypt, "Masr" may refer either to Cairo or to the whole country. Used in that sense, al-Sham takes in not just Syria but also Israel, Jordan, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories, and even a part of southeastern Turkey.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)A nurse at the hospital my dad was in was telling me that they named the acronym of an earlier version of the hospital's name was FUC, and the K was actually used sometimes. They have to redo new signs and change the name to UFC. Imagine what that cost.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Its been striking a nerve with me since I first heard about them. It just seems not quite right. Im not sure what to think about the whole thing.
hack89
(39,171 posts)The name ISIS is the latest and is only a year hold. We know enough about this group to know they are not a false flag. Unless you are arguing it is a ten year false flag.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)before being rolled out to the american public.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Does nothing happen in other parts of the world outside the control or engineering of the US?
delrem
(9,688 posts)WTF is with the new US obsession with denying the reality of US involvement in MIC activities in the ME?
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)I'm certainly not.
delrem
(9,688 posts)KG
(28,749 posts)DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...
Describes the U.S. "involvement" in Iraq quite well.
I married Isis on the fifth day of May
But I could not hold on to her very long
So I cut off my hair and I rode straight away
For the wild unknown country where I could not go wrong
I came to a high place of darkness and light
The dividing line ran through the center of town
I hitched up my pony to a post on the right
Went in to a laundry to wash my clothes down
A man in the corner approached me for a match
I knew right away he was not ordinary
He said, Are you lookin for somethin easy to catch?
I said, I got no money. He said, That aint necessary
<snip>
The wind it was howlin and the snow was outrageous
We chopped through the night and we chopped through the dawn
When he died I was hopin that it wasnt contagious
But I made up my mind that I had to go on
I broke into the tomb, but the casket was empty
There was no jewels, no nothin, I felt Id been had
When I saw that my partner was just bein friendly
When I took up his offer I must-a been mad
I picked up his body and I dragged him inside
Threw him down in the hole and I put back the cover
I said a quick prayer and I felt satisfied
Then I rode back to find Isis just to tell her I love her
She was there in the meadow where the creek used to rise
Blinded by sleep and in need of a bed
I came in from the East with the sun in my eyes
I cursed her one time then I rode on ahead
She said, Where ya been? I said, No place special
She said, You look different. I said, Well, not quite
She said, You been gone. I said, Thats only natural
She said, You gonna stay? I said, Yeah, I jes might
Isis, oh, Isis, you mystical child
What drives me to you is what drives me insane
I still can remember the way that you smiled
On the fifth day of May in the drizzlin rain
http://vimeo.com/61341838
Rex
(65,616 posts)No idea.
JVS
(61,935 posts)it just a coincidence like the Moro Islamic Liberation Front being called MILF.
delrem
(9,688 posts)God forbid that US citizens focus on actual fact.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the USA?
Nah, it couldn't be!
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)http://commonsensedecisions.blogspot.com/2014/06/isis-can-thank-mccain-and-graham.html
People were getting "Al-qaeda" fatigue. Now we can have a new, improved, boogey man.
delrem
(9,688 posts)and "R2P Libya (tm)", and the current mess.
It couldn't possibly have occurred exactly as it happened.
Throd
(7,208 posts)Maybe they really liked that Saturday morning TV show from the 70's.
hunter
(38,264 posts)Too much cloak and dagger stuff going on here, too many easy media contacts.
Same old shit, served up with a new name.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Look it up if you don't believe me.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Even more common than planned political renaming E.G. ACA vs. Obamacare or Anti-choice vs. Pro-life. Or in science, Last Universal Ancestor - LUA vs. Last Common Universal Ancestor - LUCA = same thing
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