and women having any self-determination at all. Which, in turn, returns women to the role of being men's possessions.

and calls abortion 'horrific murder'. I guess there is an exception for the RCC and Francis? Because he is the world's leading anti choice activist and DU promotes him as if he were the Second Coming.

"as long as they do it politely." I guess the Pope gets the same pass.

Doesn't make sense to me on a Democratic message board that doesn't want to look like it hates women, but there it is.

overnight, blah, blah, blah.

Aren't all women in favor of women's rights?

How could they possibly win when women are at least half the voters.

The answer to that is no.

Can't be many. Any idea what percentage women are anti-women?

I mean, seems like if no women were anti-women then women would control the country. Most men are not anti-women, so if yall could just get women to not be anti-women... see where we're going?

upon women's rights issues.

Anti-women rights women? And we read all the time about how bad men are. Hmmmm

get yourself a hobby already

I am proud to be a man in America and proud to have been a part of building America's creature comforts. From down in the ditch to the rooftop, from grease monkey to first astronauts, men have built up what all of us take for granted. I stand behind that and am proud of it.

than do men. Why do more men vote for repubs than do women? How does it happen that more women voting for Democrats results in any repubs?

Women also rate Democratic presidents higher than repub presidents and men rate repub presidents higher than Democratic presidents.

You know, if I were a simple-minded kind of person who couldn't see shades of gray, I might ask what the hell's the matter with men that they favor repubs over Democrats. I'm not. I won't.

However, if you think you can speak for "all men" the way you appear to think women on this board can speak for "all women," perhaps you'd like to enlighten us.

that the overwhelming majority of white males vote Republican, they are most certainly voting for anti-woman policies.

the Environment &Energy group?

Specifically (in this case) internalized sexism/misogyny.

Internalized sexism is defined as the involuntary belief by girls and women that the lies, stereotypes and myths about girls and women that are delivered to everyone in a sexist society ARE TRUE. Girls and women, boys and men hear the sexist messages (lies and stereotypes) about women over their entire lifetimes. They hear that women are stupid, weak, passive, manipulative, with no capacity for intellectual pursuits or leadership.

But there is a second logical consequence - the same messages also stick to girls and women, resulting in internalized sexism / internalized misogyny. Women and girls are taught to act out the lies and stereotypes, doubting themselves and other females (sometimes called “horizontal hostility.”) This is the way women collude with the perpetuation of sexism.

haven't you ever heard of Phyliss Schlafly and her group that shot down the Equal Rights Amendment and have worked for years to keep women in a second class position? Or that some women, even some elected female officeholders who are actively working to repeal the 19th Amendment? Or the Christian women's groups that promote the idea that women should submit to men's authority in all things? Seriously, you are not aware of any of these groups or their anti-women beliefs and actions?

Or just imagine how many misinformed women there are or the women that are brainwashed into thinking they are truly inferior to men and that their word is law.

Or they want to be satisfied with it - they want to be taken care. They may not be specifically anti-woman. But they lack confidence in themselves and want to limit other women.

Right wingism causes this dissonance.

50% of men and 48% of women consider themselves "pro life".

Since 54% of voters are women, roughly equal number of men and women would vote to curtail women's rights.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/162548/americans-misjudge-abortion-views.aspx

... I feel the situation in the US is rather grim.

In my lifetime I witnessed the passage of the Voting Rights Act -- and the rollback of voting rights. I witnessed the passage of Roe vs. Wade -- and its utter erosion.

I can't believe this is happening.

But it is.

PS: Anyone here who still thinks it's worth throwing our chances to elect a Dem, any Dem at all, in 2016 need only look at the ages of the members of the Supreme Court.

the biggest block of narrow minded and uneducated people would stop voting the next day.
They'd lose the house and senate in a heartbeat.

service veterans/reservists? Or do they just deduct the 60% of their taxes that go to war?

...I'm immediately starting a religion that forbids the paying of taxes.

But if Hobby Lobby wins, that means religions can overrule laws.

We cannot have any pleasure f%$ing. They got to take away the birth control. Sex is only for procreation.
These people are pathetic. They need to worry about their own damn lives.

since 1980.

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/fast_facts/voters/documents/genderdiff.pdf

There are, unfortunately, a LOT of women who are totally willing to vote against their best interests, either because of idiological reasons (they've always voted republican, so they'll keep voting republican), religious reasons (they oppose gay rights or a woman's right to choose), or maybe they just watch too much Fox "news".

When a friend of mine was doing door-to-door polling for the Obama campaign she ran across many women who literally turned to their husbands and ASKED who they were voting for.

Educating young women is a must.

A lot of things make people vote against their self interest, unfortunately.

Which is largely true. They'll still be able to buy what they need

...are white. And straight.

Maybe that has something to do with it?

If it has to do with the population dispersion in red states. Since women tend to live longer on average, and the life expectancy is lower in red states, it stands to reason that women will outlive men at a faster pace in red states. The same states where it takes 2-3 dem votes to counter every repulican vote.

The "right to privacy".

They basically want to outlaw all sex not performed specifically for the purposes of procreation.

We should counter attack with a planned, well funded effort to achieve at long last the ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment. It is way overdue any ways ... but the best defense is often to seize the ball and go on offense. MAKE them explain why women should not, in this day and age, have equal rights.

Trav

... women's personal rights of birth control away. It won't be a pretty one.

...and in circumventing them.

The far right is a minority and plainly extremist, and they are bullies most sublime; they know their enemies & how to define them as "Weak" and receive little static in kind. They have No intention of losing, and are quite confident in achieving "permanent power" (the stated goal), minority status be double-damned.

... but since they have the "liberal" media, and the Supreme Court on their side right now, they are making a great noise. I, personally, am not intimidated by their bombastic tirades.

We are witnessing a slower and less obvious (to most non-DUers that is) form of takeover. They have the mainstream media (corporate media), and now all they need to do is wipe out the internet as we know it. When they get through turning the information superhighway into a washed out dirt road, they will be on their way. Throw in millions of Americans shut out of the voting process, and over the next 2-4 years we are officially screwed.

"When Fascism Comes To America It Will Be Wrapped In The Flag And Carrying The Cross"

1) The FR does not have a sufficiently large and motivated popular base to go the limit; at this time, they don't need it.

2) They have neither the competency nor the reach to effect totalitarianism; don't need that either.

3) Huge numbers of armed civilians.

A religious concept. For others, I think it is just a wedge issue they've created because they've already gotten abortion practically outlawed. They think they have to have something else that makes them more "moral" than the other party.

This decision will be huge about HL. I'm afraid it will define the US for decades and make the US of Stupid the laughing stock of the free world.

They believe that both contraception and abortion kill the unborn (which I strongly disagree with of course). I don't think in their mind there is any difference.

You cannot throw out Roe unless you throw out Griswold. Overturning Roe means overturning Griswold.

That's dirty dirty shit.

A woman who is constantly pregnant and/or caring for young children cannot get an education or a good job, and will forever be dependent on her Lord and Master husband. When she can control her fertility, she can control her life. This is what they find threatening.
Should be enshrined in the Constitution: a woman shall be the sole arbiter of whether, when, and how many children she shall bear. I believe the Equal Rights Amendment would take care of this.

Have a look at Cardinal Dolan's opinions on birth control medication. Man has no clue about how birth control works or is obtained.

https://www.au.org/church-state/june-2014-church-state/people-events/cardinal-dolan-says-women-can-get-birth-control-at


Cardinal Dolan Says Women Can Get Birth Control At 7-Elevens
June 2014


The most powerful Catholic bishop in the country recently opined that women don’t need health-care plans that ensure access to no-cost birth control because it is widely available at convenience stores.

Appearing on CBS News’ “Face The Nation,” Cardinal Timothy Dolan, archbishop of New York and head of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, announced that Hobby Lobby, a chain of craft stores whose owner opposes some forms of contraceptives, should be able to defy the Affordable Care Act’s contraception mandate because women can buy birth control at 7-Eleven stores.

Dolan asserted that contraceptives are “widely available,” adding, “By Lord, all you have to do is walk into a 7-Eleven or any shop on any street in America and have access to them. Is that right to access those and have them paid for, is that such a towering good that it would suffocate the rights of conscience?”

7-Eleven stores do sell condoms, and perhaps that’s what Dolan meant. But critics were quick to point out that condoms – a male-centered form of birth control – are hardly the answer for most couples. Most women rely on birth control pills or devices like IUDs. Such products are not available at convenience stores....more

Roe v Wade is but a stepping stone. What they really want is to control people's sex lives by ensuring maximum risk for women.

They may succeed in having it excluded from insurance coverage... but then some DUers agree that that's fair, so ...

the ability to plan when to become pregnant -- has been a major factor in allowing women to step into the public sphere, such as running for political office, working outside the home, etc. I think the ultimate goal for these people is to try to get back to a time when women weren't as able to do these things.

They don't want us to vote.

The Handmaid's Tale is a dystopian novel, a work of science fiction or speculative fiction,[1] written by Canadian author Margaret Atwood[2][3] and first published by McClelland and Stewart in 1985. Set in the near future, in a totalitarian Christian theocracy which has overthrown the United States government, The Handmaid's Tale explores themes of women in subjugation and the various means by which they gain agency

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid's_Tale

Latinos know who is responsible for killing immigration reform, the war on women has continued unabated, etc.

We just need to mobilize these groups.

I also remember when the bcp was finally allowed to be sold here that you needed your husband's permission to get an rx. Planned parenthood where I lived was the only place a single woman could get the pill. That's what they want, they want women to stay home and not compete with men, they don't want us to work or go to school. I remember the day I got my rx for bcp's and I felt liberated. I think legalizing the bcp was one of the biggest events of the 20th century. It changed everything for women the right wants to take that away.

Looking around for a while, I found some case law tied to Roe and Griswold having to do with laws against sexual relationships between same-sex adults. Think of some of the old (and current?) anti-sodomy laws that had little to do with heterosexual sexual relationships and were used to go after gay men.

I suggest reading the wiki on Griswold to find some of the links and cases.

Think of this as a way to implement leviticus as legal code; codifying the "rights" and "wrongs" of sexual congress.

This is what a lot of women's rights groups and feminists have been trying to get people to understand for a long time. Although it should be important enough if it's solely about women, it isn't solely about women but controlling people through their most intimate relationships; women are just the "test cases," the "edge of the wedge." (Yes; edge of the wedge is logical fallacy in formal debate. In law it can be precedence.)

In addition, to the extent that they succeed, privacy rights will be eroded in a way that will make "1984" look like a civil libertarian's dream by comparison.

Days of the Theocracy
(Kristin Lems)
July 15, 2007
words/ music Kristin Lems c 2007 Kleine Ding Music (BMI)
Written and recorded in 1979.

1. First they fight abortion, birth control is next,
Then comes sex if you’re not married, finally, out goes sex!
Put the prayers back in the schools, install "parochiaid,"
Allow for corporal punishment, and then you got it made!

Chorus: We’re going back, back to the good ole days
When men were really men and women knew their place
Back, back a couple of centuries
And welcome back the days of the theocracy

2. The family is so holy, there must be no divorce
And if a wife is not content, she must adjust, of course
And if he’s forced to beat her, it’s all for her own good
She must know what her limits are, as any woman should.

(chorus)

3. The next to go is daycare, it’s all a commie plot!
What could be more fulfilling than a child, wanted or not?
A woman’s world is housework, God wanted it that way
A salaried job degrades her since she never works for pay

(chorus)

4. They teach us women’s lot is "love honor and obey"
And while their crusty notions seem like jokes to us today,
They’re sitting in the Capitol, they’re voting on our lives
If we don’t stop them now, our freedom will not long survive!

No going back..to the bad ole days...
(chorus) let's go ahead, ahead for future centuries,
And build a world that’s based on true democracy
And build a world that’s based on true equality

~ Ah – person!

You could argue that it chips away at it. And I disagree that the they aren't after Roe. They are. There is ample evidence of that- overwhelming evidence, in fact- in the creation and use of TARP laws, which don't in any way, impact Griswold, but absolutely target (and effectively) Roe.

We miss the boat when we freak about Griswold and dismiss the greater threat to abortion access and rights.

opposing a woman's right to take birth control medication?

AFAIK even the crazy Tea-Party Senate candidates have never expressed such an opinion.

But it was kind of hard to miss them screaming about SLUTS MAKING US PAY FOR THEIR BIRTH CONTROOOOL! for months on end.

We're all aware Republicans aren't fond of minorities, even if they don't come right out and say "I sure do hate me some n*****rs.". We can infer the same opposition to birth control because they use the exact same language and tone when discussing it as they do abortion, which they openly admit to wanting to ban. Add to that their campaign of lies about how over the counter contraceptives work in an attempt to ban them, and you've got pretty solid evidence they'd make it illegal if they could.