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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan somebody explain this -2.9% GDP thing to me?
I've been getting hammered by text messages from my sister all day over this GDP number. I haven't said anything back to her because I don't know what I am talking about, so I came here for some help.
In person on the street terms what is GDP? I mean I sort of know what it is, but not enough to defend myself.
Why is this number the -2.9% number getting tossed around good, bad, wrong, right, upside down, right side up? I'm not an economist!
I'm getting a little tired of my sister sending me this stuff, and I want to shut her up when we go out for lunch this weekend! This GDP thing is all I have heard from her all day!
If this is not the right forum can someone please move this thread?
bradla
(89 posts)Negative gross domestic product means the economy shrank in the first quarter which is not a good thing. Unfortunately for your sister and many other people, they are jumping their guns. You should be asking your sister why she is talking about something that is now almost 3 months old. Then tell her if she is so anti-Obama, she will not be liking the number coming out for next quarter. I will give you a hint, it will not be a negative GDP. You should never ever look at one quarter of a year and make an assumption about the direction of the economy. Two quarters of negative growth would be a better indicator of an economy that is going into or is in a recession.
Well that is my take anyway.
Spaldeen
(219 posts)And that is what I told her.
I never said anything about my sister being anti-Obama. We rarely talk about politics. I don't know which way she leans, or if she even votes at all. I just know the last few years have been really bad for her and her family, and telling her that bad news that is three months old does not make it any better news, and she's going to take me to task on it. Rightfully so, I might add!
From what I have taken from your statement I should try to tell her to look at next GDP coming out. When do we get those numbers? Why were todays numbers different from what they thought they would be when they came out?
Also, thank you for your help.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)basically everything that's spent and exported
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gdp.asp
Now, as the other guy said, it would be a real problem if this keeps up, but it's rarely happened that a whole year's GDP contracted. And it looks like the annual GDP will be a positive. At the moment, even with the drop it's still a hundred billion or so more than it was at this time last year
http://useconomy.about.com/od/GDP-by-Year/a/US-GDP-History.htm
Quarterly GDP is a affected by things like a severe winter, a hurricane, reduced military spending and other things that tend to even out over the year. Here are some specifics about what happened this time:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth
She's no doubt using this to attack Obama and it's a talking point for the other side. Basically, tell her to wait a while to see if this is a trend or just a bad quarter.
TexasTowelie
(111,932 posts)A report issued Wednesday by PNC Financial Services Group Inc.s economists said the following:
A number of factors were behind the contraction in the economy in the first quarter. The big drag was the difficult winter, which caused consumers to postpone spending, disrupted production, led businesses to hold off on investment, and caused construction delays. Consumer spending growth was weak, growing just 0.7 percent at an annual rate after inflation. Inventories subtracted 1.7 percentage points from growth as businesses cut back on stockpiling. Business investment outside of inventories fell, and home building also contracted. Trade was a major negative, subtracting 1.5 percentage points from growth, revised from a 1.0 percentage point hit in the second estimate, as exports fell and imports rose. And government also subtracted from growth, despite expectations for a turnaround following the end of the federal government shutdown in late 2013.
National defense spending also dropped 2.5%. More analysis at http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm .
It's mostly a one-time blip that the Republicans are seizing upon and most indicators for the second quarter of this year are looking positive.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)There was a big cut in defense spending (as there should be). Everyone knows how brutal last winter was especially in the east. If we don't get our house in order and start making significant strides toward curbing climate change things will get worse.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)year.
US economy gets a Hollywood makeover
The US economy will look different from July.
That is not because of a shift in its underlying prospects, but because of a comprehensive update to the national accounts by the Bureau of Economic Analysis, producing the most dramatic change to the way gross domestic product is measured in more than a decade, with preliminary estimates adding about 3 per cent to US GDP.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/63bbbd22-aa95-11e2-bc0d-00144feabdc0.html
Now Eurostat, the official statistical agency of the European Union, is leading the drive to include a host of illegal activities in national calculations of GDP, most notably prostitution and illicit drugs. The argument, as a United Nations commission laid out in 2008, is fairly simple: Prostitution and illicit drugs are significant economic activities, and if theyre not factored into economic statistics, then were looking at an incomplete picturewhich in turn will make it that much harder to craft smart policy. Additionally, different countries have different laws: In the Netherlands, for instance, prostitution is legal, as is marijuana. Those commercial transactions (or at least those that are recorded and taxed) are already part of Dutch GDP. Not including them in Italys or Spains GDPs can thus make it challenging to compare national numbers.
That is why Spain, Italy, Belgium, and the U.K. have in recent months moved to include illegal drugs and nonlicensed sex trade in their national accounts. The U.K. Office for National Statistics in particular approached its mandate with wonkish seriousness, publishing a 20-page précis of its methodology that explained how it would, say, calculate the dollar amount of prostitution (police records help) or deal with domestically produced drugs versus imported drugs. The result, which will be formally announced in September, will be an additional 10 billion pounds added to Great Britains GDP.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_edgy_optimist/2014/06/france_gdp_the_nation_won_t_include_drugs_and_prostitution_in_its_calculations.html
Ah anyway, we've been in an output gap for over 5 years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Output_gap
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=4za
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)People got snowed in. Entire cities were shut down. Work didn't get done. The economy shrunk.
The economy also grew at ~2.6% in the fourth quarter of 2013. Projections have it growing at somewhere between 2.5% and 3.0% for each quarter for the rest of this year.
My suggestion is to go ahead and give ground on this one bad quarter. Then hammer her with text messages all day when we get the positive GDP numbers.
It was a blip.
The early bird and night crew checked in on this one! Thank you!