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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:08 AM Jun 2014

‘Private attorney general’ tells Bundy ranch gathering that most laws don’t apply to them

They're setting up their own weird little theocratic government out there. Is anybody planning to stop them?

The continuing standoff at the Bundy ranch has exposed the militia members, gun enthusiasts, survivalists, and sovereign citizens drawn there to one another’s ideas in kind of an extremist incubator.

Videos posted online show the scofflaw rancher’s supporters explaining their ideologies in lengthy lectures, such as one posted earlier this month that shows “private attorney general” Jeff Ball explaining that laws don’t apply to individuals if they understand how to rebut them.

“I want to give you guys the basic chain of command, all right?” said Ball, of the Citizens Action Network. “Up at the top of this tree is the creator, whoever your creator is, that’s where the creator’s at. The one below that is you, okay? So your original contract was with the creator.”

“The earth is our inheritance, OK, but what these guys are trying to do is third-party their way into it,” Ball said. “So here’s how they want you to believe the chain of command goes: God, the Vatican, Washington, D.C., the city of London.”

Ball claimed London controlled the world’s finances, while Washington created war and kept slaves in line by “taxing them to death,” and he argued that the Vatican interfered with an individual’s contract with the creator.

“You guys have a contract with the creator and this earth is your inheritance,” he said. “That’s it; there is no more. You’re not subject to anybody, as long as you don’t hurt anybody. If you create injury on somebody, then that’s a different story.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/25/private-attorney-general-tells-bundy-ranch-gathering-that-most-laws-dont-apply-to-them/
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‘Private attorney general’ tells Bundy ranch gathering that most laws don’t apply to them (Original Post) phantom power Jun 2014 OP
Instead of rounding up the cattle, next time the feds ought to round up the crazies. sinkingfeeling Jun 2014 #1
Bundy is still free, and still has his cattle. phantom power Jun 2014 #9
More sovereign citizen nuttery. Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #2
So that means they can show proof of this contract with their creator, in a court of law? Rex Jun 2014 #3
Nevada Constitution: Article 1, Section 2 Cerridwen Jun 2014 #4
I actually laughed out loud reading that. Coventina Jun 2014 #5
Actually, not really. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #13
Oh, I know both CTs are really old, but I'd never seen them combined before. Coventina Jun 2014 #15
I have heard this nuttery combined nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #16
if they don't like the laws of this country warrior1 Jun 2014 #6
The problem is, in their twisted world-view, the USA belongs to them. Coventina Jun 2014 #8
He contradicts his own social thesis: DetlefK Jun 2014 #7
His "social thesis" is a lot simpler than that phantom power Jun 2014 #12
No, the government will do nothing. Stupid fucks. riqster Jun 2014 #10
Bless his pointy little head! struggle4progress Jun 2014 #11
When governments blink... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #14
The "People's Attorney General" of the Bundy Ranch? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #17

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
9. Bundy is still free, and still has his cattle.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:28 AM
Jun 2014

He and his band of "sovereign citizen" thugs played chicken with the United States, and the United States blinked first. So far it's working out great for them.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. So that means they can show proof of this contract with their creator, in a court of law?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:17 AM
Jun 2014

Yeah...didn't think so, what a bunch of moonbat drivel. WTF is a private AG?

Cerridwen

(13,252 posts)
4. Nevada Constitution: Article 1, Section 2
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:17 AM
Jun 2014
Nevada Constitution: Article 1, Section 2

Sec:?2.??Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States.??All political power is inherent in the people(.) Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair(,) subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existance (existence), and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority. (emphasis added; square bracket in body replaced by parenthesis)


If they can use government facilities to file their BS litigation against the federal government, they can fucking follow the Constitution of the state in which those government facilities exist.

Coventina

(27,084 posts)
5. I actually laughed out loud reading that.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:19 AM
Jun 2014

That takes some mental gymnastics, putting the Vatican AND the City of London into the same CT!!!!

Kudos!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Actually, not really.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:56 AM
Jun 2014

He is dredging some really old material. I am surprised he did not complete the circle with some good ol' fashion antisemitism. Though he might have, London.

As to Rome, the hate of papist is old, 500 years old.

Coventina

(27,084 posts)
15. Oh, I know both CTs are really old, but I'd never seen them combined before.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:03 AM
Jun 2014

I'm sure given enough time he'd have the Jewish Syndicate worked in there somewhere.

What a nut-case!!!

Coventina

(27,084 posts)
8. The problem is, in their twisted world-view, the USA belongs to them.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:26 AM
Jun 2014

But it's become corrupted by Big Government.

They want a second Revolution to put things right "again".

(Although the past they fantasize about never existed).

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
7. He contradicts his own social thesis:
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:24 AM
Jun 2014

I.
There is no such thing as a social contract, as a person cannot outsource its sovereignity to a common social construct. A person's contract of liability is directly with God and each other.
-> Governments are bogus.

II.
“So when that governor, that sheriff, doesn’t do his job ...”
-> Government's representatives have authority.

So, which one is it?

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