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EX500rider

(10,810 posts)
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:51 PM Jun 2014

Pablo Escobar’s hippos: A growing problem (In Colombia, South America!)

A herd of hippopotamuses once owned by the late Colombian drug baron Pablo Escobar has been taking over the countryside near his former ranch - and no-one quite knows what to do with them.

It was in 2005, 12 years after Escobar's death, that people in rural Antioquia, 200 miles north-west of Bogota, began phoning the Ministry of Environment to report sightings of a peculiar animal.

"They found a creature in a river that they had never seen before, with small ears and a really big mouth," recalls Carlos Valderrama, from the charity Webconserva.

He went to look, and found himself faced with the task of explaining to startled villagers that this was an animal from Africa. A hippopotamus.


Apparently over 60 of them now....and some have escaped into a near by river and have been seen up to 150 miles away!


http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27905743
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Pablo Escobar’s hippos: A growing problem (In Colombia, South America!) (Original Post) EX500rider Jun 2014 OP
Get out! JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #1
Or camels in Australia! csziggy Jun 2014 #8
Fascinating JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #10
I'm glad we haven't gotten the emus csziggy Jun 2014 #12
I wish! bettyellen Jun 2014 #14
hippos have really bad breath as well :) snooper2 Jun 2014 #2
I believe hippos are dangerous. Yikes! djean111 Jun 2014 #3
Pablo's Hippos. Great Band Name! CBGLuthier Jun 2014 #4
.... Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #18
Hippos are considered the most dangerous animal in Africa hack89 Jun 2014 #5
yes, i hope the locals are being informed about the dangers of messing w hippos Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #13
As a friend who's been there remarked... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #16
they're a tourist attraction now nt geek tragedy Jun 2014 #6
Dart them and send them to the Mara river in the Serengeti/Masai mara area of Africa stevenleser Jun 2014 #7
Three problems Aerows Jun 2014 #11
Sounds like they are going to end up being killed. stevenleser Jun 2014 #15
I agree with you Aerows Jun 2014 #17
Since they are not native and invasive they should be removed. dilby Jun 2014 #9
Yes. Ordinarily I'm not wild about hunting but in the case of these hippos Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #19
Why not leave them be? jollyreaper2112 Jun 2014 #20
Africa is huge and spread out and sparsely populated where the hippos are. And the indigenous stevenleser Jun 2014 #21
Because it's an invasive species and threatens the local environment Xithras Jun 2014 #22
no jollyreaper2112 Jun 2014 #23

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
8. Or camels in Australia!
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:21 PM
Jun 2014
Australian feral camels, are feral populations of two species of camel; mostly dromedaries (Camelus dromedarius) but also some bactrian camels (Camelus bactrianus). Imported into Australia from Arabia, India and Afghanistan[1] during the 19th century for transport and construction during the colonisation of the central and western parts of Australia, many were released into the wild after motorised transport replaced the camels' role in the early 20th - forming a fast growing feral population.

By 2008, it was feared that this population numbered about one million, and was doubling every 8–10 years. They were degrading the environment and threatening native species, so a culling program was introduced and by 2013 the feral population was estimated to have been reduced to around 300,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel


Or emus in Florida:
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2012/10/04/dnt-emu-holds-up-traffic-caught-on-camera.wesh.html

JustAnotherGen

(31,783 posts)
10. Fascinating
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:26 PM
Jun 2014

I never knew that about Camels in Australia! And here I am all happy because we have a stray maine coon cat I'm feeding on the sly.

Camels and Hippos and Emus suddenly make Chewy (I call him that he looks like Chewbacca) real boring.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
12. I'm glad we haven't gotten the emus
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:43 PM
Jun 2014

And apparently there are also feral llama and alpacas wandering around, too.

For a while there were some feral peacocks here at the farm. They scared the hell out of the horses - their warning calls vary between sounding like a semi-truck horn to sound like a woman being tortured and raped. Some moron who bought a four acre "estate" to our east wanted peacocks to decorate his lawn and just let them free.

Animal control wouldn't deal with them and tried to convince us to call the wildlife rescue volunteer group to catch them. Released domestic fowl were not in their charter, plus I was pissed that the county had decided to not give the group any grants, but still wanted to slough off their work on them.

So one of our boarder's husband volunteered to hunt the birds. He never made it close enough for a safe shot but he harassed them enough that the peacocks moved away and they never came back.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
7. Dart them and send them to the Mara river in the Serengeti/Masai mara area of Africa
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:21 PM
Jun 2014

There are lots of fellow Hippos there that seem quite happy

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
11. Three problems
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:43 PM
Jun 2014

According to the veterinarian in the article, despite being enormous, they are extremely susceptible to sedatives and it could kill them. Two, they are ENORMOUS (to the tune of 6,000lbs for males) and a pissed off Hippo away from the water while being transported could be very dangerous, not to mention extremely expensive to move all the way back to Africa. Third, they can't move them back to Africa because they have no idea what diseases they might introduce to the African population of hippos (which are a threatened species) now that they have been in South America for so long.

That's just the technical problems. The political problem is that they killed one aggressive male hippo and there was such public outcry that they called off the hunt for his female and calf. They don't want to have a world image of being "hippo killers" because apparently a lot of people think they are cute.

Obviously, down the road this is going to become a huge problem because the area where they are is ideal for them and they are breeding like crazy (for hippos). All it is going to take a few more harems of them to disperse throughout the Colombian and Venezuelan jungles, and it will be damn near impossible to get rid of them!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
15. Sounds like they are going to end up being killed.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jun 2014

Letting them be in that environment is a non starter. They are very dangerous and aggressive animals. From what you write, moving them to Africa endangers the hippos there, so thats not a possibility. I hate to say it but the 60 or so hippos that the asshole Escobar brought to Colombia for his selfish enjoyment will probably need to be euthanized as gently as possible.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. I agree with you
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:15 PM
Jun 2014

Just doing nothing is a terrible idea, but the problem is that no one wants to tackle it politically. Financially, even just penning them in one area would be a massively expensive undertaking.

None of the options are good, and I can't see this ending well. The longer they put off doing something, because of political pressure, world image concerns and lack of funding to address it without killing the hippos the worse it is going to get. The "leave them alone" approach hasn't worked out very well so far! They aren't even sure how many of them there are at this point - it might be more than 60 for all anyone knows.

Bad situation all the way around for the hippos, the environment and the people that live there .

dilby

(2,273 posts)
9. Since they are not native and invasive they should be removed.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:25 PM
Jun 2014

Letting them take over can possibly jeopardize the environment, the easiest solution would be to allow hippo hunts.

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
20. Why not leave them be?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:56 PM
Jun 2014

Africans are able to coexist with them and this provides another population pool for when they go extinct elsewhere.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
21. Africa is huge and spread out and sparsely populated where the hippos are. And the indigenous
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 05:00 PM
Jun 2014

population has evolved to coexist with them (and the rest of the native flora and fauna) for millenia.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
22. Because it's an invasive species and threatens the local environment
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jun 2014

Hippo's for example, are extremely aggressive toward crocodiles because African crocodiles hunt their young. An adult Hippo can easily kill a crocodile, and they do so routinely.

Columbia's rivers are home to the critically endangered Orinoco Crocodile, the rarest crocodile species in the world. By some estimates, there may be as few as 250 left in existence. Allowing an invasive predator to move into their territory could easily push them over the edge and drive them extinct.

Invasive species are disruptive to ecosystems. In areas like Columbia, where vast stretches of the ecosystem are already under pressure, introducing a major invasive species like a hippo can have dire environmental consequences.

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