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doc03

(35,148 posts)
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:58 PM Jun 2014

So long DU

I joined this board back in 2003. In those days it was interesting and fun here. You could agree or disagree on a subject and discuss it
rationally and I have changed my mind on many of my political views. This board has changed over the years I think it started around the 2008 election when if you were not an Obama supporter you were ganged up on. Now people go whining to the jury about someone being hurtful if anyone disagrees with them. We have these groups where you have to agree on everything or you are not wanted. If someone makes a comment they don't agree with a snarky reply is made about spelling or grammar. Hey I am sorry I wasn't able to get a college education, I had to go to the army after high school and had to go to work for a living when I got out. So anyway I see no point in posting here anymore and am calling it quits. I know there will be some that say don't let the door hit you in the ass, well you can kiss it. To the others live long and prosper.

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So long DU (Original Post) doc03 Jun 2014 OP
Much of DU is an echo chamber wyldwolf Jun 2014 #1
DU is not like the rest of America Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #39
While I completely understand, I hope you'll return, doc. 1000words Jun 2014 #2
Damn! kentuck Jun 2014 #3
If you change your mind, please come back. If not, all the best to you too. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #4
I hope not. H2O Man Jun 2014 #5
Get a star and join the groups Warpy Jun 2014 #6
you don't need a star to post in groups, the poster is upset they were banned from posting JI7 Jun 2014 #16
Oh, didn't know that Warpy Jun 2014 #25
LOL bettyellen Jun 2014 #59
I second that NJCher Jun 2014 #95
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #7
Are you satire? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #10
Nah, just bored at the library. nt TBF Jun 2014 #12
there is reason to believe she has acquired a smart phone. mopinko Jun 2014 #67
She has a Chromebook. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #70
bwahaha mopinko Jun 2014 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #90
Hey sweetie. William769 Jun 2014 #93
bwahahaha mopinko Jun 2014 #113
That was a Valentine's Day present from a secret admirer... NYC_SKP Jun 2014 #86
Lately, she's been claiming to have had the same partner for 30 years. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #88
you would, too. mopinko Jun 2014 #114
That's unfortunate TBF Jun 2014 #167
maybe it wont be as much fun mopinko Jun 2014 #172
"Get out while the getting's good!" from someone who has created dozens of accounts arcane1 Jun 2014 #14
Right? That doesn't make any sense unless it is a satire on itself. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #18
Who is more of an expert on leaving, than someone who keeps coming back? Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #163
I hate it when long time DUers leave malaise Jun 2014 #8
It may be exactly what the 'bot posters want... villager Jun 2014 #115
I suspect you are right. zeemike Jun 2014 #132
As a good friend likes to say malaise Jun 2014 #165
Check out pscot Jun 2014 #9
Thanks for the suggestion Boudica the Lyoness Jun 2014 #119
Don't leave. Some days here suck. But some are great! Take a week off and come back! n-t Logical Jun 2014 #11
you don't need a college education to understand there is Climate Change JI7 Jun 2014 #13
You're a climate change denier XemaSab Jun 2014 #15
A person has been a member for 11 yrs rateyes Jun 2014 #78
Groups should be able to block anyone who behaves disruptively. Regardless of the topic. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #122
He can post anywhere else he wants to on DU - just not in E&E hatrack Jun 2014 #138
. XemaSab Jun 2014 #140
So I guess the hide and ignore features rateyes Jun 2014 #168
you're asking a host to ignore disruptive content in the group they host? CreekDog Jun 2014 #207
what hatrack said CreekDog Jun 2014 #206
It was a good block... SidDithers Jun 2014 #85
There is nothing in the SOP about climate denial RobertEarl Jun 2014 #102
Good fucking question. Soylent Brice Jun 2014 #141
Thank you for providing the background information. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #200
I don't get it.. OLDMADAM Jun 2014 #218
So long, man LittleBlue Jun 2014 #17
DU hasn't changed. The members have leftstreet Jun 2014 #19
since when is climate change denial a left leaning position ? JI7 Jun 2014 #22
The OP complained about Obama loyalists, not climate stuff leftstreet Jun 2014 #24
because the OP is purposely leaving out info to get sympathy JI7 Jun 2014 #26
Are you saying I'm a 'certain type?' leftstreet Jun 2014 #28
based on your response to someone that is a climate change denier JI7 Jun 2014 #29
You should have posted this info in GD sooner leftstreet Jun 2014 #31
the op should have posted it in the op and in the original op JI7 Jun 2014 #35
There should be an avatar, truly n/t leftstreet Jun 2014 #38
Truth ^^. Obama again? Thanks Obama lunasun Jun 2014 #109
XemaSab blocked him from Environment/Energy. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #27
Oh, just ask Martin Durkin and the remains of the Revolutionary Communist Party unrepentant progress Jun 2014 #32
i'm guessing these are probably the same ones that question 9/11 and how the buildings came down JI7 Jun 2014 #42
There's good reason to question that. n/t cui bono Jun 2014 #66
i haven't heard any good reason for it JI7 Jun 2014 #68
Well based on your responses to people in this thread cui bono Jun 2014 #75
so why don't you explain why you question how the buildings came down ? JI7 Jun 2014 #76
It's not allowed here. n/t cui bono Jun 2014 #92
Seriously, we need a list of all the things DUers may not believe. zeemike Jun 2014 #137
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #40
No. The opposition was, and is, to GOP policies leftstreet Jun 2014 #94
So President Obama = Bush/gop policies? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #106
Not Obama personally. The party leftstreet Jun 2014 #120
I'm an Obama supporter .... sunnystarr Jun 2014 #157
Don't you actually have reasons for being a Democrat? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #188
I'm a democrat because sunnystarr Jun 2014 #194
It WAS decidedly and strongly left tkmorris Jun 2014 #118
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #129
You've only been here since 2011, Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2014 #210
Because you was here long before 2011 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #215
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #49
Why are we sickening, Mr./Ms. Name Caller? IrishAyes Jun 2014 #116
Lack of critical thinking skills is not a virtue Skittles Jun 2014 #121
Question for you Skittles. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #144
The lack of response was telling, huh? Number23 Jun 2014 #160
Yes indeed. eom sheshe2 Jun 2014 #205
I'm sure he does. IrishAyes Jun 2014 #198
Thumbs up Number23 Jun 2014 #159
Thank you. IrishAyes Jun 2014 #201
Don't hold your breath. NealK Jun 2014 #123
yeah I know Skittles Jun 2014 #125
we had rules. we have no rules now. that does lead to chaos. but i like your point seabeyond Jun 2014 #55
Mindless? More insults from our intellectual superiors. Metric System Jun 2014 #162
i didnt realize that climate change denial was a left-wing position. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #184
Maybe you'll be able to find a forum where being a climate-change denialist crank is acceptable. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #20
You mean, pretty much every other online forum ever created? hatrack Jun 2014 #133
Don't Leave... You'll Just Let The Assholes Win... Take A Break, Go To The Beach, The Mountains... WillyT Jun 2014 #21
people who accept climate change are assholes ? JI7 Jun 2014 #23
No... But People That Drive Others Off Of DU Are... WillyT Jun 2014 #33
so you think people should respond to views like no climate change, no evolution equally JI7 Jun 2014 #34
You Discuss... You Agree... Or You Disagree... It Ain't Rocket Science... WillyT Jun 2014 #37
Geez, you act as if everyone has read every thread and knows what's going on with every member. cui bono Jun 2014 #41
and yet people who sympathized with the OP assumed a lot from the original OP JI7 Jun 2014 #43
They responded to what was written. You are expecting them to know something they most cui bono Jun 2014 #44
not all responded just to what was written JI7 Jun 2014 #46
+1 lunasun Jun 2014 #110
Oh now you are trying to imply the OP does not believe in evolution... former9thward Jun 2014 #174
No, the departing poster stomped his feet and held his breath 'till blueness hatrack Jun 2014 #135
And BTW... That DUer Has Been Here Since 2003... YOU... Since 2002... WillyT Jun 2014 #36
always sorry to see an old-timer go nt grasswire Jun 2014 #30
I hear you Doc. 99Forever Jun 2014 #45
Yup, the productive discussions are being held elsewhere ... 1000words Jun 2014 #51
put the swooners on Ignore Skittles Jun 2014 #47
^^^ 1000words Jun 2014 #53
the OP is upset about being banned from an environment group JI7 Jun 2014 #60
pretty funny how Skittles and others make their own assumptions. LOL KittyWampus Jun 2014 #77
Not Funny At All... Some Are Chasing Long Term Members Off This Board... WillyT Jun 2014 #99
So Willy....look here. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #151
I missed that thread. Thanks for posting that epic whine fest aimed at Obama fans and women here Number23 Jun 2014 #161
Ahhhh, so that's what THIS post is about, then! MADem Jun 2014 #186
this is the second deceptively worded thread to make the OP a martyr of the BOG...... bettyellen Jun 2014 #97
Good riddance then Skittles Jun 2014 #101
LOL, I think a lot of people are angry and it is turning inward.... bettyellen Jun 2014 #103
What a gracious reply. redqueen Jun 2014 #176
I try to not harbour any ill feelings toward anyone here because there's no point to it bettyellen Jun 2014 #185
Gee we're so sorry we support Obama treestar Jun 2014 #48
worship is different than support Skittles Jun 2014 #52
Using the label worship does not make support, worship treestar Jun 2014 #57
like I said, I know the difference Skittles Jun 2014 #61
No Skittles. No you don't. Worship: KittyWampus Jun 2014 #82
No but... Egnever Jun 2014 #148
Since you clearly DON'T know the difference, IrishAyes Jun 2014 #211
Lol, I know, huh? Well, at least he got a dig about Obama Supporters before he left. 'cause the Cha Jun 2014 #96
Good point rpannier Jun 2014 #127
i am sorry to hear that doc03. things are definately rougher here. and it is not the same kind seabeyond Jun 2014 #50
GBCW......TTFN....!!! nt MADem Jun 2014 #54
It's definitely a different vibe here now than when I joined in 2001 deutsey Jun 2014 #56
BTW... You Are Missed... And Apparently... I'm An Idiot... WillyT Jun 2014 #64
Thank you for that deutsey Jun 2014 #69
Ha...I did not know that. zeemike Jun 2014 #146
Bookmarking for the inevitable return... SidDithers Jun 2014 #58
Good... And I Will Too... But I...Will Celebrate That Return If It Happens... WillyT Jun 2014 #71
Whatever floats your boat, Willy...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #73
What Floats YOUR Boat, Sid ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #111
At least no animals were harmed in the making of this GBCW post CreekDog Jun 2014 #89
I don't think the servers have the capacity to store them all BainsBane Jun 2014 #152
Just put them on ignore Marrah_G Jun 2014 #62
Safe travels. Live long and prosper. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #63
I'm not going to be snarky--I HATE losing long-timers hlthe2b Jun 2014 #65
reminder to all of us--there are real people behind those anonymous usernames seabeyond Jun 2014 #84
... hlthe2b Jun 2014 #100
good post - agreed tomm2thumbs Jun 2014 #98
Are you leaving because you are deemed a climate change denier? Raine1967 Jun 2014 #74
DU's loss of a climate change denier is a tragedy indeed geek tragedy Jun 2014 #79
You might want to retire to the Outer Banks. Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #80
I'm sorry to hear this, and I hope you'll reconsider. NYC_SKP Jun 2014 #81
The entire jury sustem should be removed. Full Stop deathrind Jun 2014 #83
I've long thought the same thing. The ship sailed better when the admins steered it... Mister Ed Jun 2014 #124
I don't blame ya. L0oniX Jun 2014 #87
Sorry to see you go. AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #91
LOL! redqueen Jun 2014 #177
LOL...that was definitely pure comedy gold. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #203
Try Discussionist. Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #104
As a great man once said,... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #105
No, no, no! panader0 Jun 2014 #107
But now who will tell us that fracking is awesome, climate change is fake and the EPA kills jerbs? LeftyMom Jun 2014 #108
Louie Gohmert's Website rpannier Jun 2014 #130
Day-um. Orrex Jun 2014 #134
If you leave, you let the invading election-year concernbot terrorists win. nt valerief Jun 2014 #112
Actually, my experience back in 2008 was just the opposite... Strat54 Jun 2014 #117
You were banned from E/E group but wow did you make a lot of folks look silly the lunasun Jun 2014 #126
Hey, don't leave. Some of us want you to stay. And you know you want to stay. tclambert Jun 2014 #128
In Lak'ech Ala K'in DeSwiss Jun 2014 #131
There is a group here that demand lockstep thought and chior duty. Skip Intro Jun 2014 #136
That's funny. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #147
I hope you never wield real power. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2014 #149
Anthropogenic SQUEE Jun 2014 #191
No, it isn't up for debate. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #192
So sez Spider. I disagree.. causation coreleation and all that silly nonsense. SQUEE Jun 2014 #193
Climate scientists don't disagree. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #196
ooooh a pie chart.. SQUEE Jun 2014 #219
Hear, hear. I think you might've won the thread. IrishAyes Jun 2014 #212
Your hyberbole got out of the yard and it's running up and down the street! FSogol Jun 2014 #166
A group is a group. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #189
LOL!!! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #204
Hi Cali_Democrat. Skip Intro Jun 2014 #208
Live Long And Prosper G_j Jun 2014 #139
Sad that you are leaving, you have a lot to contribute, please rethink your decision! akbacchus_BC Jun 2014 #142
You're a good egg, doc. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2014 #143
There's a poll up in the E/E: XemaSab Jun 2014 #145
Best wishes to you, wherever you end up petronius Jun 2014 #150
Do what you need to do, but I will miss you and I'm sure others will as well. n/t Cleita Jun 2014 #153
Peace and love. :) nt ZombieHorde Jun 2014 #154
doc03 I hardly knew yee!!!!! mackerel Jun 2014 #155
DU is my comic relief Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #156
Same here. 1000words Jun 2014 #158
Oh there's outrage against DUing at work too. IronLionZion Jun 2014 #170
Climate change deniers need to listen and read more and opine less. Quantess Jun 2014 #164
Who said you had to read it? There is an ignore feature available. rateyes Jun 2014 #181
No, that's not what I meant. Quantess Jun 2014 #199
Hey, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, maybe it is one. IrishAyes Jun 2014 #214
Don't let the door hit you in the ass! IronLionZion Jun 2014 #169
You have been a member here for over 10 years..... NCTraveler Jun 2014 #171
Happy Fracking! tenderfoot Jun 2014 #173
So long, fairwell Rex Jun 2014 #175
. Iggo Jun 2014 #178
did you mark off a square acre? snooper2 Jun 2014 #179
He's tried to scent mark the whole damned site. Didn't work. Boo hoo. IrishAyes Jun 2014 #216
It's shameful how a few have responded here DainBramaged Jun 2014 #180
Hyperbole. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #190
then why don't you start an OP in GD asking whether or not climate change is happening? CreekDog Jun 2014 #220
Just wanted to say best wishes to you doc03. polly7 Jun 2014 #182
11 years ago people were no so dramatic as to exit DU, because one group La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #183
No sense in hanging around a place you're so unhappy with. Adios. Paladin Jun 2014 #187
admins need to create a 'farewell du' section d_b Jun 2014 #195
+1, lol. BootinUp Jun 2014 #221
And this post in a nutshell is why Dems so easily lose the blue-collar Damansarajaya Jun 2014 #197
These type threads are stupid. cwydro Jun 2014 #202
I had coffee with another DUer yesterday and we had the same complaint emsimon33 Jun 2014 #209
Sorry I didn't get a chance to know you. Stellar Jun 2014 #213
2008 - yep DrDan Jun 2014 #217

wyldwolf

(43,865 posts)
1. Much of DU is an echo chamber
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:01 PM
Jun 2014

The ones who don't think so are the ones in the echo chamber. If you look at DU as entertainment and not serious political discourse (except for a few posters), then you can tolerate it better.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
39. DU is not like the rest of America
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:45 PM
Jun 2014

It's not even like the rest of the Democratic Party. You have to take it with a grain of salt (or two) and sometimes you just need to go away for a while. I would recommend taking the summer off.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
2. While I completely understand, I hope you'll return, doc.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jun 2014

Resolve the Pon Farr and come back, mkay?

(Seriously, good luck to you.)

H2O Man

(73,308 posts)
5. I hope not.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jun 2014

It definitely isn't what it used to be. I find myself taking more breaks from it. But I do hope that you will return.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
16. you don't need a star to post in groups, the poster is upset they were banned from posting
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:16 PM
Jun 2014

in a group on the environment because they did not believe in climate change and was posting the usual anti science things.

NJCher

(35,422 posts)
95. I second that
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jun 2014

You can share interests with people that you know are on your same political wavelength.

I have a couple groups I belong to and there are probably 2 or 3 more I could join and enjoy.

Also, there are many knowledgeable people here. Ask a question on just about anything and you'll get some good feedback/answers.


Cher

Response to doc03 (Original post)

Response to mopinko (Reply #72)

mopinko

(69,804 posts)
172. maybe it wont be as much fun
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 09:20 AM
Jun 2014

if she can do it from any place w wifi.
damn that rahm, he's got free wifi everywhere in this damn city.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
115. It may be exactly what the 'bot posters want...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jun 2014

Another "monoculture," like the GMO food crops they keep trying to shovel at us...

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
132. I suspect you are right.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:56 PM
Jun 2014

It sure seems that way to me.
Every week a new word or phrase that will not be tolerated...and something to be offended at until we all just give up on this place.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
119. Thanks for the suggestion
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jun 2014

It looks like I will be heading over there. Too many horrid people here now.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
15. You're a climate change denier
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:16 PM
Jun 2014

and I banned you from the E/E because of that.

Why should I tolerate climate change denial in E/E?

Please make a solid case and I might reconsider the ban.

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
78. A person has been a member for 11 yrs
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:24 PM
Jun 2014

And you ban him for one position he holds? You can't allow him to discuss it and perhaps learn something in the process. No, you have to ban him. Sounds kinda petty to me. But hey, thats just me.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
122. Groups should be able to block anyone who behaves disruptively. Regardless of the topic.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:38 PM
Jun 2014

Though whether that happened in this case, I honestly don't know.

hatrack

(59,439 posts)
138. He can post anywhere else he wants to on DU - just not in E&E
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:12 AM
Jun 2014

If that doesn't suit his style, fine. He's free to go. I'm sorry, but I will defend XemaSab to the death on this.

If you're out there on the environmental news boards, it's an endless torrent of non-science, anti-science, and ad hominem, though collective tolerance seems to be thinning, finally. Not here, though, not at E&E. My tolerance for the "No warming sine 1997 blahblahblah" lie and its endless warped avatars and bastard children is just plain fucking gone.

So sad, too bad. Don't bring it to E&E.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
207. you're asking a host to ignore disruptive content in the group they host?
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jun 2014

even if it's possible, what kind of advice would that be?

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
206. what hatrack said
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jun 2014

As a co-host I back what he said and what Xema did. And no, we don't agree on everything, but on this, it's clear.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
102. There is nothing in the SOP about climate denial
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:54 PM
Jun 2014

But like you said... Xema makes the rules. Why should you tolerate anything you don't like in E&E? You are host for life. You are the ruler.

For the record, E&E is the place for climate change deniers. It's where we can have discussions about it and convince others of the science.

But i guess if you don't like the discussion.... well, you are the ruler. For life? Who made you the ruler?

Basically, E&E is now a backwater group with lousy discussions. Good job! Hope you like it there.

Here is a copy of your E&E SOP:

Statement of Purpose

Discuss all things related to environmental issues and energy policy.

OLDMADAM

(82 posts)
218. I don't get it..
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:33 PM
Jun 2014

Perhaps someone could explain to me why it's a banishing offense for someone for disagreeing with any subject.. Isn't it healthy to allow discourse in persuading the opposition of the strength of your position?

I believe with the science of man's contribution to climate, however I have difficulty accepting the theory that we can do anything about it without a total commitment of all the industrial world's cooperation..

Allowing China, India, Russia etc, off the hook, our efforts, and the economic costs of same, are infinitesimal in the bigger picture.. We must demand that the world share the burden, or punish them with economic sanctions.. Without that, our additional costs places us at a further disadvantage on the world trading stage..

Is this opinion going to get be banned? If so I accept it..

leftstreet

(36,078 posts)
19. DU hasn't changed. The members have
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jun 2014

The composition has changed. There was a time when the decidedly and STRONGLY Left and left members made up the majority.

There are still some here, but most threads are dominated by mindless (and mindnumbing) party loyalists.

Don't go

Every time a left leaning person leaves DU, God kills a kitten

leftstreet

(36,078 posts)
24. The OP complained about Obama loyalists, not climate stuff
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:24 PM
Jun 2014

How the fuck would most of us know what the OP thinks about climate change?

JI7

(89,172 posts)
26. because the OP is purposely leaving out info to get sympathy
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:27 PM
Jun 2014

that thread was started by them just yesterday . left out the part about which group they were banned for and why. of course you can add in the obama stuff to get support from certain types now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5151629

leftstreet

(36,078 posts)
31. You should have posted this info in GD sooner
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jun 2014

All members needed to know this OP is a climate change denier because we can't all be on all subgroups at all times


32. Oh, just ask Martin Durkin and the remains of the Revolutionary Communist Party
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:36 PM
Jun 2014

Durkin did the infamous Channel Four docu The Great Global Warming Swindle. Near as I can tell, their belief was that global warming was a scam cooked up by The Powers That Be to keep the Third World from developing, thus in permanent poverty. There is climate change denialism coming from the far left. It's just that there is far, far more on the right.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
75. Well based on your responses to people in this thread
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:20 PM
Jun 2014

I get the feeling you aren't a very good listener.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
137. Seriously, we need a list of all the things DUers may not believe.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:09 AM
Jun 2014

It is the fair thing to do...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
40. Actually ...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:45 PM
Jun 2014

You've misdescribed the board's composition. It was not decidedly left or strongly left, as much as unified in our opposition to bush. After 2009, the board just continued it's opposition ... against a Democratic president.

leftstreet

(36,078 posts)
120. Not Obama personally. The party
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jun 2014

Yes, there aren't many differences between GOP and Dem policies

Privatize Education
Privatize Healthcare
Free Trade Agreements
Foreign Policy - the same
Wall Street Policy - the same


etc


But you know all this

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
157. I'm an Obama supporter ....
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 02:04 AM
Jun 2014

because I'm a DEMOCRAT!!! For some strange reason I assumed everyone here would be as well. No one will ever agree with every policy from any president no matter how great they are. Even FDR had his failings.

When I first came to DU there was a lot about the DLC and the Clinton's being part of it. Honestly I had never heard of the DLC until then and this forum really educated me about many things and started me researching facts... thankfully. I'm more of a watcher than a poster but what I've noticed more recently is how many are attacking each other. Maybe it's the acrimony in the air nowadays.

So I guess I'm a party loyalist so don't flame me for it. I would rather cut off my right arm before I would ever vote for or support any candidate who wasn't a Democrat. And they don't have to be perfect!

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
188. Don't you actually have reasons for being a Democrat?
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:50 PM
Jun 2014

Like maybe you feel the Democratic party puts forth better policies, that help more people?

If so, why should you silence yourself when specific Dems put forth bad policy, that hurts people, AND makes Dems less electable overall?

Isn't it better for the party if we refuse to let certain Dems drag the party towards right-wing Republican policies?

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
194. I'm a democrat because
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 03:58 PM
Jun 2014

I believe that all members of society should be lifted up. This means a larger central government which distributes the collective wealth to ensure that the elderly have a safety net; that all children are entitled to a good education from pre-K through college; that when people lose their jobs, especially through federal policies or failings, they get unemployment insurance (I don't believe that should be taxable); that a society needs the arts and research should be encouraged and funded; that health care shouldn't be run by for profit corps and all are entitled to health care; that collectively we can overcome any adversity. I believe in decriminalizing drugs and only protecting our young from their distribution. I believe in a strong defense but not one to police the world. I believe in fair trade as opposed to free trade. I believe that all profits from US businesses and corporations should be taxable and making offshore tax shelters illegal. I believe in labor unions and collective bargaining and workers rights for all workers.

Do all Democrats share my beliefs? I don't think so. But I'll take as close as I can get in a candidate. A republican would never come close - they are diametrically opposed to all I believe in. But this is the climate our Dems must deal with. They have to make compromises to inch closer to the desired outcome.

Now Obama is pragmatic. He's made some mistakes but he's learning, as anyone in his position would. I believe his heart is in the right place and sometimes you have to make deals to get the funding to fight another day. Like it or not the money lies with the 1% and our representatives need the money to fund elections. Until that changes they'll have to compromise their ideals in order to get as much as they can.

So to answer your last point. Whoever wins the Dem primary will get my vote.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
118. It WAS decidedly and strongly left
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:29 PM
Jun 2014

I know you're married to the theory, which is a shame, but it's incorrect.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
129. No ...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:47 PM
Jun 2014

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I'm married to Mrs. 1SBM. The composition of the board is, largely, the same as it was during the bush years. If anything the post-bush board has found more posters that identify as a Democrat as a 3rd political descriptor, after liberal and progressive ... Prior to that, there was very little differentiation among Democrats, or discussions of "party loyalty", we were happily focused in our opposition to bush; rather than, our current state of consistently "proving" our "Really, real liberal/progressive", {ETA:} or "really, real" Democratic bona fides.

If one opposed bush, one was largely accepted; wherever, one fell on the political spectrum.

Moses2SandyKoufax

(1,290 posts)
210. You've only been here since 2011,
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 06:49 PM
Jun 2014

how the hell would you know what "the board's composition" was like during the Bush administration?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
215. Because you was here long before 2011 ...
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 07:42 PM
Jun 2014

You do realize that people leave DU ... sometimes one their own, other times escorted, and return, right?

I have been quite open with my history ... I happen to be someone that has done both. I left once (sometime in 2004) because I made a regarding white supremacy in a specific group and was show the door. I returned, and have never been back to that group. I left a second time (sometime in 2010) because I got tired of having white people tell me what was, and wasn't, "legitimately racist."

So I know a hell of a lot about DU during the bush years.

Response to leftstreet (Reply #19)

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
116. Why are we sickening, Mr./Ms. Name Caller?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:26 PM
Jun 2014

Because we won't roll over and beg forgiveness when you want to crap on our living room floor? Poor baby!

sheshe2

(83,324 posts)
144. Question for you Skittles.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:23 AM
Jun 2014

What is your opinion of the GG and ES swooners here?

Just a question, I am interested in your response.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
160. The lack of response was telling, huh?
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 03:39 AM
Jun 2014

Unsurprising and utterly predictable, but telling nonetheless.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
198. I'm sure he does.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:59 PM
Jun 2014

Since his critical thinking skills exceed most others', I doubt he mistakes all his supporters - even the ardent ones - as 'swooners'. Have you never considered the ground between hating and swooning? It's a massive error to assume it's either one extreme pole or the other. It's also sheer idiocy to imagine one's own opinion as the final word in any matter.

Why do I get the feeling you want to tar me and other BOGers with the 'swooner' brush?

Next?

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
201. Thank you.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 05:37 PM
Jun 2014

It ain't entirely over yet, though. Check out what happened next. I'm done with it myself - don't want to feed Skittles' oxygen tank too much - but he probably can't resist trying to get in the last word. Some people don't know who the real big dog in the yard is.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
55. we had rules. we have no rules now. that does lead to chaos. but i like your point
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jun 2014

"the members have"

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
20. Maybe you'll be able to find a forum where being a climate-change denialist crank is acceptable.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:18 PM
Jun 2014

Good luck with that.

hatrack

(59,439 posts)
133. You mean, pretty much every other online forum ever created?
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:02 AM
Jun 2014

I'm not talking the Cloaca Maxima of denialist bullshit trolling that is Yahoo News or NYT/WP "discussion boards" - freaking Mother Jones and Climate Central and ENN and The Nation and Salon and Environmental Health News are freaking infested with these buffoons.

I think our Poor Oppressed One will find a new playground in about five seconds.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
21. Don't Leave... You'll Just Let The Assholes Win... Take A Break, Go To The Beach, The Mountains...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:19 PM
Jun 2014
Read A Book, Help Out At A Soup Kitchen...

But don't leave...

We need your voice.



 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
33. No... But People That Drive Others Off Of DU Are...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:36 PM
Jun 2014

Never "Ignored", "Trashed". barely "Alerted"...

You chase people away from a discussion board...

There won't be much of a discussion...

And although there are many here that would be thrilled with that...

Why would anybody be a member of a self-reinforcing echo-chamber ???


JI7

(89,172 posts)
34. so you think people should respond to views like no climate change, no evolution equally
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jun 2014

to those who do accept those things ?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
41. Geez, you act as if everyone has read every thread and knows what's going on with every member.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:45 PM
Jun 2014

Chill. Not everyone knows that happened. Instead of jumping on people for not knowing something they really aren't even supposed to know, why don't you simply explain it nicely? There was no mention in the OP about climate change.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
44. They responded to what was written. You are expecting them to know something they most
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:49 PM
Jun 2014

likely don't know.

former9thward

(31,801 posts)
174. Oh now you are trying to imply the OP does not believe in evolution...
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:34 AM
Jun 2014

Nice how you slipped that in ....

hatrack

(59,439 posts)
135. No, the departing poster stomped his feet and held his breath 'till blueness
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:06 AM
Jun 2014

Why? Because he got busted posting denialist bullshit on the E&E board.

He's welcome to post elsewhere on DU, but he's not only whining his way out the door, he's also substantially obscuring the real reason for his departure.

Full disclosure - like XemaSab, I'm a host at E&E.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
36. And BTW... That DUer Has Been Here Since 2003... YOU... Since 2002...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:40 PM
Jun 2014

You should know better by now.


99Forever

(14,524 posts)
45. I hear you Doc.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jun 2014

I barely ever post here anymore. There are a couple of posses here that have made this place suck and suck hard.

If they want a vacant echo chamber, they're welcome to it. They couldn't hold their own in an honest debate if their lives depended on it.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
51. Yup, the productive discussions are being held elsewhere ...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jun 2014

Your contributions are missed, 99Forever.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
60. the OP is upset about being banned from an environment group
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:01 PM
Jun 2014

because they don't believe in climate change.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
99. Not Funny At All... Some Are Chasing Long Term Members Off This Board...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:45 PM
Jun 2014

And although I subscribe to the "Thick Skin" Theory of DU...

There are those that go out of their way to make this place... "Unpleasant"...


sheshe2

(83,324 posts)
151. So Willy....look here.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:57 AM
Jun 2014
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10025151629

Look at those that trashed HOF and BOG. They just assumed the OP was about these groups and attached.

Who is running who off this board? You are correct in this...

There are those that go out of their way to make this place... "Unpleasant"...

Number23

(24,544 posts)
161. I missed that thread. Thanks for posting that epic whine fest aimed at Obama fans and women here
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 03:53 AM
Jun 2014

Oh, what have Skinner wrought?

No wonder this place doesn't represent even a sliver of the real Democratic Party and I'm sure that the vast majority of people here know that. And if they don't already, that thread will explain why quick, fast and in a hurry.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
97. this is the second deceptively worded thread to make the OP a martyr of the BOG......
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jun 2014

but darling, it just ain't so. he went to the energy group to argue global warming does not exist.
I know you 'd never know it from the OP. But yeah, he's kind of making fools of everyone here with this crap.
Why? I don't know- but it's an interesting and ugly little pity party.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
103. LOL, I think a lot of people are angry and it is turning inward....
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:57 PM
Jun 2014

when I read Hillary money is exactly as bloody as Romney's, and took issue.... I was accused of being a Hillary supporting (wrong) NSA loving (wrong) supporter of the MIC. LOL, NO. I just pointed out that they were not exactly the same, and it was starting to make them look ridiculous. There's way too much OTT crap, and if you don't rec it with a hell yeah, you must be the enemy. I almost think it is worse than the primaries. Too fucking weird, the hate here. Not doing it.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
185. I try to not harbour any ill feelings toward anyone here because there's no point to it
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:33 PM
Jun 2014

And the truth is I like a lot of people. Maybe if I spent more time here, I wouldn't. But I don't know if I've just noticed it more lately or it's new, but there just seems to be a lot of people picking fights or trying to force you to "pick a side". It gets so nasty, it's rarer and rarer I do anything but skim the OPs about national issues. People are skewered for asking questions. People are accused of being the enemy because they're not heaping praise on the popular poster du jour. People are making multiple OPs or quitting over single hides? It seems like too many get off on trying to cause rifts here.
I'm not enjoying it very much, it's getting harder to find anything of substance to read amidst all the witch hunts and angry rants.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
48. Gee we're so sorry we support Obama
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jun 2014

What a terrible thing to have to read about on Democratic Underground.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
57. Using the label worship does not make support, worship
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:00 PM
Jun 2014

I see plenty of worship of Elizabeth Warren and Eddie Snowden for people to be calling the kettle black when they use those terms.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
82. No Skittles. No you don't. Worship:
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:29 PM
Jun 2014

the act of showing respect and love for a god especially by praying with other people who believe in the same god : the act of worshipping God or a god.

No one on DU prays to Obama nor considers him a god.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
211. Since you clearly DON'T know the difference,
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jun 2014

perhaps you should give your mind a rest now. You're not thinking as well as you imagine, and it's apparent to others.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
96. Lol, I know, huh? Well, at least he got a dig about Obama Supporters before he left. 'cause the
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jun 2014

Hillary supporters were so very nice. Rofl

treestar

rpannier

(24,304 posts)
127. Good point
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:45 PM
Jun 2014

I had a post in 2008 primaries about that very issue and how it seemed there wasa childish name-calling going on.
The only one I remember vividly was the HRC supporter referring to one of the Kennedy women as Flat-face.
Very high brow /sarcasm

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
50. i am sorry to hear that doc03. things are definately rougher here. and it is not the same kind
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jun 2014

of conversation prior to '08. you can have any conversation in gd though. if you are interested in a subject, start an Op.

i am sorry you are going. i hope you will be back.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
56. It's definitely a different vibe here now than when I joined in 2001
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:59 PM
Jun 2014

It's one of the reasons I don't post as regularly here anymore, but just lurk.

So it goes.

Sorry to see you go.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
69. Thank you for that
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:17 PM
Jun 2014

And did you know the origin of the word "idiot"?

An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private—as opposed to public—affairs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

That would make you the exact opposite of an idiot, in my estimation.

I always love your posts. Keep fighting the good fight!


 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
71. Good... And I Will Too... But I...Will Celebrate That Return If It Happens...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:19 PM
Jun 2014

Will you ???



Bookmarked.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
62. Just put them on ignore
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:03 PM
Jun 2014

It makes DU a much more pleasant place. Heck I've had a bunch of folks on ignore for 4 years, keeps the blood pressure in check.

hlthe2b

(101,706 posts)
65. I'm not going to be snarky--I HATE losing long-timers
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:05 PM
Jun 2014

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Posts like yours should serve as a reminder to all of us--there are real people behind those anonymous usernames and they deserve to be valued.

I sure hate to lose you and hope you might check back in again in time.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
84. reminder to all of us--there are real people behind those anonymous usernames
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:29 PM
Jun 2014

point. good post.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
74. Are you leaving because you are deemed a climate change denier?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:20 PM
Jun 2014

I am very curious about this.

I see from a few posts int his thread that you were prevented from posting in a group, is that why you are leaving?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
79. DU's loss of a climate change denier is a tragedy indeed
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:27 PM
Jun 2014

Next thing you know the anti-vaxxers will be leaving.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
80. You might want to retire to the Outer Banks.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:27 PM
Jun 2014

Climate change is a big myth, right? You should probably buy beachside property.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
81. I'm sorry to hear this, and I hope you'll reconsider.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:27 PM
Jun 2014

I, too, hate the cliques around here, and nasty juries and hosts.

But it's still better than the rest.

Be well.

Mister Ed

(5,896 posts)
124. I've long thought the same thing. The ship sailed better when the admins steered it...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:40 PM
Jun 2014

...than it does under this jury rig.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
91. Sorry to see you go.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:35 PM
Jun 2014

I've only been here since 2011 myself, but I've noticed a pretty drastic change within this last year or so in terms of discourse. Frankly, it does get tiring, hearing about literal "white privilege", and "all men are potential rapists", from some of our resident fringe lefties, not to mention climate doomer idiocy, etc.

And, btw, I am very much a devoted Obama supporter.

Speaking of the doomers, btw, I assume that an E & E problem might have been the last straw(judging by some comments here)? I won't comment on your situation because I dunno what really happened there, but I was banned myself......but not for actual "denial"; rather, it was for simply disagreeing with some of the resident doomers(including the application of critical thinking skills), and being willing to stand by my positions, and call out bad info, or fearmongering, etc. for what it really was. Don't get me wrong, there are some pretty thoughtful folks over there, but unfortunately, the doomers and their allies pretty much run the place right now.....and they're about as annoying as the most extreme of the HoFers sometimes.

(P.S., btw, for those of you concerned about my mention of "white privilege", I realize that not everybody who believes in such is actually part of the aforementioned problem. In other words, if you haven't engaged in personal attacks, manipulation, trolling, etc., and have been able to respectfully disagree with anti-"privilege" folks such as myself without resorting to dirty tactics, then don't worry, because this isn't referring to you.)

In any case, have a good life, doc03. Happy trails, fella.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
104. Try Discussionist.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:00 PM
Jun 2014

You can express pretty much any opinion about anything there as long as you're civil about it.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
105. As a great man once said,...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:02 PM
Jun 2014

...."It's not easy being drunk all the time. Everyone would do it if it were easy."

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
108. But now who will tell us that fracking is awesome, climate change is fake and the EPA kills jerbs?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:09 PM
Jun 2014
 

Strat54

(58 posts)
117. Actually, my experience back in 2008 was just the opposite...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:27 PM
Jun 2014

Actually, my experience back in 2008 was just the opposite. (I was a lurker back then. Only officially joined DU this year.)

But in 2008, I remember that anybody who said anything that wasn't 100% supportive of Hillary Clinton was fed to the wolves. I remember someone pointing out that HRC was a conservative DLC Democrat and a bunch of people jumped on him and ran him off the board. (I feel the same Hillary machine gearing up again.)

IDK Doc..
It seems to me that to be a Democrat at all you have to have pretty thick skin anyhow. It seems to me that we have a variety of Democratic philosophies on DU. I see people bash Obama all the time, so I don't know what you are whining about, unless this is just a ploy to get sympathy. ("Take my marbles and go home" type reaction.)

Everybody Chill!!! If you call yourself a Democrat, you have to accept 1 thing above all... Pragmatism!!! Barack Obama is NOT the best president ever (that would be FDR) but he is certainly NOT the devil and far, FAR better than Romney or McCain would have been. He is also not the worst president ever (that would be Reagan), so everyone please stop all this Binary thinking.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
126. You were banned from E/E group but wow did you make a lot of folks look silly the
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:44 PM
Jun 2014

last couple of days
perhaps unintentionally to suit your need for a pity party
They quite willing to create an imagined transgression
Still an eye opener

tclambert

(11,080 posts)
128. Hey, don't leave. Some of us want you to stay. And you know you want to stay.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:46 PM
Jun 2014

If you really wanted to stop participating, you would just go. If you post that you are going to leave, it means you want us to talk you out of it. It means you want to find a way to stay, to find a reason to stay. Just look how many people responded to your post in a positive fashion, agreeing with you, commiserating with you, in all sorts of ways inviting you to stay.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
136. There is a group here that demand lockstep thought and chior duty.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:07 AM
Jun 2014

And they're assholes about it more often than not. When Meta was open, they'd start threads to organize to get others' posts hidden, or better yet, get the poster banned. There were lists. A few of them still talk about their lists. It didn't stop when Meta closed.

Only one voice welcome, else you're a troll or a repug, or a racist or whatever else bullshit label they can come up with. For them it isn't about the substance of the topic it hand. It is about destroying every contrary view by destroying the thinking poster. They demand that you think as you are told, and speak as you are told - free thought, free expression will guarantee you a brutal attack. The stuff the blackest days in Western civilization were made of. They want their echo chamber, and they mean to get it.

If Skinner wants to save DU, he'll do something about that situation quickly.

All that to say I know exactly what you are talking about, and to say you shouldn't go, just take a break, like all long-term DUers do. Or stay and fight for the kind of board you want. Don't let a few whiny little loudmouth children run you off.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
147. That's funny.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:30 AM
Jun 2014

He's flouncing off in a huff because he's pissed off about having been banned from the Environment and Energy group for being a climate-change denialist. Anthropogenic global warming is not an issue there are "points of view" on; it's as close as we have to settled scientific fact. That sort of "free thought" deserves to be brutally attacked; it deserves to be taken out back, beaten to a pulp, and have a stake driven through its heart to be sure it's dead.

In this case at least, good riddance.

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)
191. Anthropogenic
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jun 2014

Sorry, but to what extent is still up for debate.

I personally think we need a Manhatten Project sized effort toward renewable and true green energy and ag, but do not in anyway claim we know WHY the climate is shifting, or even use climate volatility for the reason to shift to a more manegeable, and consistent policy regarding our energy and food needs.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
192. No, it isn't up for debate.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 02:54 PM
Jun 2014

CO² levels up from below 320ppm to over 400ppm over the span of 53 years? Entirely caused by human activity and the burning of fossil fuels. Climate feedbacks from increased atmospheric CO² are well-known at this point. (See the melting of glaciers and the weakening of the Antarctic ice shelf, for instance).

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)
193. So sez Spider. I disagree.. causation coreleation and all that silly nonsense.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jun 2014

Accept and embrace that you and I have the same end goal, and quit alienating someone that disagrees with the WHY, but agree on the WHAT.. Novel concept.

you have just illustrated my point perfectly BTW, Chanon and Yolanda applaud...Royce not so much

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
196. Climate scientists don't disagree.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:18 PM
Jun 2014


You're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is still wrong.

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)
219. ooooh a pie chart..
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:43 PM
Jun 2014

.. Keep shouting at trees..

I
DONT
CARE
WHY...

Jeez you cant just let it lie, and accept an ally no matter the details....


have a nice day,

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
212. Hear, hear. I think you might've won the thread.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 07:09 PM
Jun 2014

Why do ignoramuses demand respect and the right to crap where they please? Then poutrage when they get their pinheads handed back to them on a platter as they so well deserve.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
189. A group is a group.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 02:01 PM
Jun 2014

Plenty of other places to post onsite for people who get banned from one single group.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
204. LOL!!!
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 05:51 PM
Jun 2014
" destroying the thinking poster"

" free expression will guarantee you a brutal attack"

" demand lockstep thought and chior duty"

"Only one voice welcome"

"demand that you think as you are told"

"speak as you are told"


Gawd dayum!!! You've got a lot of pent-up anger and RAGE!!!

You mad, bro?



G_j

(40,366 posts)
139. Live Long And Prosper
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:13 AM
Jun 2014

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and yes, your time may be more beneficially spent in other ways. Though DU is the sum of it's members, all sane people are missed.

akbacchus_BC

(5,700 posts)
142. Sad that you are leaving, you have a lot to contribute, please rethink your decision!
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:22 AM
Jun 2014

Having so much posts must mean that you are a valuable contributor on here. But what do I know, some of us are outsiders and from time to time we see a post that says if you are not American, you have no voice on here to comment. Politics is universal and we can contribute if we are politically aware.

Please come back, your voice is important.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
156. DU is my comic relief
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:32 AM
Jun 2014

when I'm at work, I check on it from time to time from home when nothing much is happening or when I want to see just what the new mysogracistwhiteprivysnowdengreenwaldchomskyblowswoowoostareraping outrage is.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
158. Same here.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 02:09 AM
Jun 2014

Sometimes, I'll imagine certain posters with a menacing moustache, wearing a funny hat ... or in a strait jacket.

Good times.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
164. Climate change deniers need to listen and read more and opine less.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 05:04 AM
Jun 2014

As if we want to come to DU and read ignorant posts about climate change? No thanks. This is hardly a left-center point of view. We have no time for more anti-science bullshit.

Climate change is probably the clearest and most decisive litmus test of who is a suitable DU member and who is not.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
199. No, that's not what I meant.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jun 2014

I mean, there are a couple of unofficial litmus tests as to who belongs on DU and who does not. Two of the most clear cut disqualifiers are: 1. Liking Glenn Beck; 2. Being a climate change skeptic

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
214. Hey, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, maybe it is one.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 07:33 PM
Jun 2014

Not even Blue Dogs like Glen Beck and are anti-science climate change deniers. If someone wants to stir up a hornet's nest by gooing over those idiocies, they damn well better expect a few stings. What kind of fool does that anyway and then cries, "Mommy! They hit me back!" ?? Indefensible.

If someone loves Ignorati conspiracy theorists, let 'em crap in that house instead of invading civilization. I have nothing but the deepest and fiercest contempt for people who want to relieve themselves in places where they don't belong due to boorish behaviors they've chosen.

No apologies.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
171. You have been a member here for over 10 years.....
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 09:16 AM
Jun 2014

and still oppose the overwhelming science with respect to climate change. It is more than understandable that you were blocked from E/E. In that period of time, for you to still be anti-science, is pretty shocking.

Being blocked from one group here should not cause this type of internal conflict. There are many people here who hold views outside of what is considered to be progressive or matching with the Democratic Party platform. Most simply avoid those topics out of respect to the members of this board. This is not giving in. It is understanding the community you are participating in, acting like an adult, and respecting others. Take part in discussions you do not hold right wing/anti-science views in. It is done by members here all day. This look at me thing you have going on isn't adding anything to the board. You have invested a lot of time here. Find other sites like freerepublic to discuss your right wing/anti-science views and discuss your more progressive views here. Life becomes much better when you respect the community you are a part of.

Look forward to seeing your posts in the future.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
180. It's shameful how a few have responded here
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:24 AM
Jun 2014

Congratulate yourselves, you've chased another elder. How proud you must be to put the notch on your belt.


We used to welcome discussion, now, lockstep is the norm. Get out if you aren't one of 'us'.


Bah.


It doesn't smell god here anymore.


Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
190. Hyperbole.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jun 2014

No one 'chased' him offsite except himself. He got blocked from one tiny little group. There are a LOT of other groups, and he's even free to continue to post climate change denial elsewhere onsite if he really wants to. Or flat-eartherism, or whatever other nonsense floats his boat.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
220. then why don't you start an OP in GD asking whether or not climate change is happening?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:05 PM
Jun 2014

that's what he got blocked from the group for doing (climate change denial).

if that's truly the kind of discussion you want, then why haven't you posted an OP in GD to discuss it? who is stopping you?

nobody.

but if you posted it in GD it would prove that you have no idea what you're talking about and that your charge that the topic the OP wants to discuss can't be discussed on DU.

IT CAN.

get it right next time.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
182. Just wanted to say best wishes to you doc03.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:14 PM
Jun 2014

I hope you'll take a bit of a break and come back, but only you know what's best, and I sincerely hope you don't let anything that's been said here affect you personally .... some like to put others down just to make themselves feel better - doing it on a message board is kinda funny though, don't you agree? I mean, any of us can be anything we want here - college education, Master's degree, whatever .... or we could be junior high school dropouts or even a troll intent on disrupting for all anyone knows. Some have earned the right to have their opinions respected, others .... not so much. Your voice is as important as any. Don't let anyone - ever - make you feel bad for speaking out.

Best of luck with whatever you decide!

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
183. 11 years ago people were no so dramatic as to exit DU, because one group
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:16 PM
Jun 2014

pretty legitimately banned them.

such dramatic non-sense.

 

Damansarajaya

(625 posts)
197. And this post in a nutshell is why Dems so easily lose the blue-collar
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:18 PM
Jun 2014

vote to idiot RepubliCons like Reagan.

Elitism . . . pure and simple. People would rather vote for people who DON'T ridicule them.

Who knew?

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
209. I had coffee with another DUer yesterday and we had the same complaint
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jun 2014

I have served on several juries where the complaint was nothing less than petty or being upset because someone used a word that the person didn't like or didn't agree with them.

The other DUer with whom I met yesterday for a chat and I didn't know why Skinner lets a small gang of people disrupt DU with their one-issue fetishes. These people are too often nothing less than bullies. Sometimes I just want to scream at them: "Get over it! We have all had bad experiences in our lives." I also hate the grammar and spelling police on the board and I was a high school English teacher for 12 years, taught college freshman comp, and worked on my PhD in rhetoric. I have also been a paid editor since the age of 12 years old. It is very difficult to edit one's own writing, and it is worth noting that authors are paid significantly more than editors and proof readers--I can attest to that.

It is sad to see you go. Perhaps someone will start a discussion board where a small fraction will not be permitted to disrupt discussions and get comments hidden for petty or personal-passion reasons.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
217. 2008 - yep
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:49 PM
Jun 2014

seems there was an influx of new members around then with a particular mind-set, one in which any difference of opinion about certain topics was to be met with derision. I used to frequently check the join-date of posters displaying this tendency and was surprised how many joined in that election year.

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