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BanzaiBonnie

(3,621 posts)
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:13 AM Jun 2014

In light of the SC decision disallowing buffers surrounding abortion clinics...

just do something.

I'm going to.

I'm calling Planned Parenthood tho morning to check in and see what is needed. If they need escorts, I'm going to be there. I can't offer up much money, but I can give my time.

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In light of the SC decision disallowing buffers surrounding abortion clinics... (Original Post) BanzaiBonnie Jun 2014 OP
Good on ya! theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #1
Good on you indeed. lsewpershad Jun 2014 #22
just to be clear, they didn't clearly disallow buffers entirely unblock Jun 2014 #2
You have to be further away from a door to smoke. Matariki Jun 2014 #5
i would think it helps with the shoving at least unblock Jun 2014 #9
well... Little Star Jun 2014 #8
yeah that one's a flagrant violation of the primary point of the first amendment unblock Jun 2014 #10
In open carry states the escorts could open carry, could they not? Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #3
I'm sure they could. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #6
+1 daleanime Jun 2014 #21
good god don't give them ideas. we don't need escalation here. unblock Jun 2014 #7
I doubt PP clinics would want to deal with the additional complications of that. progressoid Jun 2014 #13
When will the open carry nuts mate with the anti- choice zealots? If that happens I think public Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #15
I think it's time to stage protests outside their churches and homes Matariki Jun 2014 #4
Cardinal O’Malley Welcomes Supreme Court Decision Affirming Freedom of Speech for Pro-Life Americans theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #14
The good Cardinal will probably follow up by protesting a buffer zone between children Aristus Jun 2014 #18
I posted in another thread, but the ultimate solution Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #11
The problem with your approach is that to COLGATE4 Jun 2014 #12
That's pretty easily mitigated Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #16
After seeing how long some zoning issues drag COLGATE4 Jun 2014 #19
So the clinics need to be in the centre of a large acreage, the zealots will stop that even, so Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #17
Seems like a little civil disobedience is in order dickthegrouch Jun 2014 #20
Go to St. Mary's Church in Grafton, Massachusetts Stryst Jun 2014 #23
I would advise not giving money to Catholic Charities. Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #24
I don't give money to any religious charity Stryst Jun 2014 #25
I agree. Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #26
And Stryst Jun 2014 #28
Thanks, BanzaiBonnie locks Jun 2014 #27

lsewpershad

(2,620 posts)
22. Good on you indeed.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jun 2014

Maybe there should be a large crowd of women's rights activists on hand to protest as well because they also have free speech rights.

unblock

(52,126 posts)
2. just to be clear, they didn't clearly disallow buffers entirely
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jun 2014

just not massachusetts' 35 foot buffer.

colorado's 8 foot buffer is presumably still ok.

in any event, escorts are needed so good on you for helping out!

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
5. You have to be further away from a door to smoke.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jun 2014

Seriously, 8 feet is NOTHING. Does nothing to protect women who are trying to get health care.

unblock

(52,126 posts)
9. i would think it helps with the shoving at least
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:39 AM
Jun 2014

i agree it hardly makes a difference as far as verbal harassment goes.

unblock

(52,126 posts)
10. yeah that one's a flagrant violation of the primary point of the first amendment
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:43 AM
Jun 2014

protesting *government* in particular is a key reason for the first amendment. their buffer zone is ridiculous, especially because there's no real safety concern that they can't reasonably address. their buffer zone is *all* about denying effective political speech.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. I'm sure they could.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:33 AM
Jun 2014

But they would only do so if they possessed the same limited brain power and anger/hate as those protesting.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. When will the open carry nuts mate with the anti- choice zealots? If that happens I think public
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:45 AM
Jun 2014

Opinion would turn drastically against both.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
4. I think it's time to stage protests outside their churches and homes
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:29 AM
Jun 2014

Let them run gauntlets to get into their bigoted and sexist organizations.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
14. Cardinal O’Malley Welcomes Supreme Court Decision Affirming Freedom of Speech for Pro-Life Americans
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:42 AM
Jun 2014

Well of course he does... when he and his fellows aren't busy filing lawsuits to deny contraception coverage.

http://www.usccb.org/news/2014/14-115.cfm
Cardinal O’Malley Welcomes Supreme Court Decision Affirming Freedom of Speech for Pro-Life Americans
June 26, 2014

WASHINGTON—The U.S. Supreme Court upheld freedom of speech for pro-life Americans in a June 26 decision in the case of McCullen v. Coakley. The Court unanimously declared unconstitutional a Massachusetts law barring pro-life advocates from public sidewalks near abortion facilities. Cardinal Seán P. O’Malley of Boston, chairman of the U.S. bishops’ Committee on Pro-Life Activities, issued the following statement.

“Today the Supreme Court found unconstitutional a Massachusetts law imposing criminal penalties on pro-life Americans who peacefully pray for and offer alternatives to pregnant women approaching abortion clinics. This discriminatory law barred these citizens from gathering on nearby public sidewalks, while exempting ‘clinic escorts’ trained to expedite women into the facility. Clearly this was an attack on pro-life Americans’ freedom of speech, and we welcome the Court’s decision to overturn the law.

“This now overturned legislation reflects an ominous trend in our society. Abortion supporters, having long denied that unborn children have a right to life, would deny that their fellow Americans who seek to protect the unborn have the same rights as other Americans – the right to freedom of speech and freedom of association; the right to participate in the public square and serve the vulnerable in accord with our moral convictions. Increasingly we see this trend evidenced at various levels of government. We are encouraged and pleased to know that with regard to this particular issue, our highest court has affirmed the American tradition of basic constitutional rights for all.”

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops had joined with other religious groups in a “friend of the court” brief urging this result. The brief can be found online:
www.usccb.org/about/general-counsel/amicus-briefs/upload/cls-amicus-brief-filed.pdf

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
18. The good Cardinal will probably follow up by protesting a buffer zone between children
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jun 2014

and sexual predators.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
11. I posted in another thread, but the ultimate solution
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jun 2014

Is relocating clinics to more ideal and secure locations.

The whole issue was what takes place on public spaces.

The best, most permanent solution is to locate clinics on parcels of land where they an be setback from the road and sidewalk, with privately owned parking and a fence for privacy.

Fighting to control the actions of others in a public space will be a never ending, very costly legal battle.

But if you own all the space around you, you control what happens on it 100%.

More than anything helping these clinics move to more easily secured locations is what is needed. Instead of playing a. Never ending game of cat and mouse with these people have clinics where people can drive in and park out of sight and earshot of these loons.

That's the only practical, long term fix.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
12. The problem with your approach is that to
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:15 AM
Jun 2014

relocate and rebuild the clinics must face zoning issues and other permitting. Any local government opposed to the clinics can strangle the relocation by red tape and zoning challenges.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
16. That's pretty easily mitigated
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:45 AM
Jun 2014

There is no way that a municipality could have regulations applying only to abortion providers, so it would have to be zoned medical.

Nobody needs to know who the end user will be when the property owner gets it zoned for medical.

Even if this is the worst case, far better to fight a zoning board once and win than face a constant barrage of these idiots.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
19. After seeing how long some zoning issues drag
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:00 PM
Jun 2014

on I would have to disagree with your statement that it's "pretty easily mitigated". And in most communities aside from a city the use is going to be well-known long before any application is made.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. So the clinics need to be in the centre of a large acreage, the zealots will stop that even, so
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jun 2014

you are right, there is no reasoning with enraptured zealots who hear voices in their empty heads, or who have pastors and bishops whisper the propaganda into said minds.

dickthegrouch

(3,170 posts)
20. Seems like a little civil disobedience is in order
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jun 2014

Sadly I don't live in DC or I'd be 35 feet from the Supreme Court's door protesting.
Hopefully a large contingent of protesters can be organized to make very real their hypocrisy. They cannot, in good conscience, enforce their own buffer zone any longer.

Stryst

(714 posts)
23. Go to St. Mary's Church in Grafton, Massachusetts
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:43 PM
Jun 2014

and lets start protesting outside their doors on Sunday mornings and see how that goes. How long could we link arms and bar people access before the police showed up and started hosing us down with pepper spray? How many preachers could we shove into moving cares without being arrested for assault? How long could we hold up signs and scream hatred at them before one of us was shot by a "good christian" who was just "standing his ground"?

Eleanor McCullen, I do not care about your age. I do not care what self justification you've made up in the name of your made up god. You are a lump of filth and I hope that I'm wrong about the existence of an afterlife, because people like you deserve the fire.

I haven't been this mad in a long time, and I'm not looking forward to the ruling about Hobby Lobby.

Here's their website http://www.stmarysgrafton.org

And their phone number (508) 839-3993

I do not advocate harassment, but if they want to protest, then by golly we can protest them.

locks

(2,012 posts)
27. Thanks, BanzaiBonnie
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:28 PM
Jun 2014

The 8 foot "bubble" law in Colorado will stand, at least for now. I'm not able to physically help them and have little money but anything you can give to NARAL, Planned Parenthood, or other worthy groups working hard to protect a woman's right to choose for her own life, will help.
We also need to keep pointing out that if the right-to-lifers really want to decrease abortions, contraception (being attacked as in the Hobby Lobby case) does this better than harassment of women seeking health care. And the money and time they spend could be better used to help the thousands of children they say they have "saved" have food, health care, and education.

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