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How sick and tired will the public get with the rush to judgment in all of the freaking media, and the lack of apology or even recognition later that they got it rather wrong?
Again.
Turns out the majority decision just said the great liberal State of Mass. just went too far with THEIR and only their buffer zones, and so the naughty boys will have to write up another law regarding buffer zones.
When the right wing media get it wrong they celebrate their wrongness; when the rest of the media get it wrong, liberals and liberal media correct the wrongs, one of many stark differences between us.
The usual right wing subjects will soon have the usual amount of outrage, no doubt to be directed at Roberts and not in the mirror where they should be looking at their own gullibility and plain stupidity for all the answers they seek.
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"Joining and writing for the four liberal justices on the Court, Roberts limited his decision to the specific facts, and the specific petitioners in McCullen, as he struck down this specific buffer zone law. For Roberts, because the named plaintiff in this case was apparently a peaceful petitioner and not the "aggressive" type of "face-to-face" protestor who created "clashes" at the entrances of the health centers, the law regulated more speech than is allowed under the public safety rationale of constitutional buffer zones. But in a June 26 editorial, the Journal completely ignored the history of violence outside of abortion clinics across the country, and argued that Roberts "missed an opportunity to clean up one of the Court's mistakes" by failing to overturn Hill v. Colorado, a 2000 case that upheld the constitutionality of a different buffer zone law. The editorial went on to argue that the decision in McCullen "leaves too much speech in future jeopardy" because state legislatures are still free to regulate speech outside of clinics within the bounds of the First Amendment. The Journal also inaccurately claimed that Roberts confirmed that the Massachusetts law was "directed at peaceful speakers".
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/27/wsj-may-not-understand-the-laws-behind-the-buff/199918
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Edit: And President Obama seems to be pleased with the majority decision in the 9-0 result. Results are different than the applicable majority ruling, outlined above.
"Thursdays decision does not directly affect the buffer zones in other states and cities, and the justices indicated that more limited restrictions could be put into place in Massachusetts.
The Obama administration, which argued in court in defense of the Massachusetts statute, said it would support any attempt to create an alternative zone there.
While the court disagreed on this specific law, we are pleased that their ruling was narrow and that they recognized the possibility of alternative approaches, such as the federal law protecting a womans right to access reproductive health clinics, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said. The administration remains committed to enforcing that law to the fullest.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/supreme-court-massachusetts-abortion-buffer-zone-mccullen-v-coakley-108348.html#ixzz35wvH1vTg
Liberals need to get their finger off the Panic Button, this:
"Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley said she had spoken with Gov. Deval Patrick, Boston Mayor Marty Walsh and state lawmakers shortly after the ruling, and all were committed to moving quickly to protecting womens access to the five clinics affected. Massachusetts officials will seek court injunctions and other actions against protesters who threaten womens safety, as well as work with law enforcement, Coakley said."
GeorgeGist
(25,315 posts)and all is OK again? Cool.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)that once they have applied their years of education and legal experience reading the majority decision and placing it in the context of the state legislation that needs to comply with whatever the meat of the ruling is.
How should it go? Who should we trust, because it is not the freaky media and know it all talking heads who know so very little, once the Confidence Mask slips.
Why do media types think they are lawyers and rush to judgment in mere minutes, when the true experts many need several days to do a actual TRUE and accurate analysis?
Have lawyers, engineers, surgeons wasted all those years of education and experience for no good reason, seeing how everyone can skillfully wield the scalpel and read the law books and complex judicial tomes?
The Court of Public Opinion is knee deep in the bodies of wrongful convictions in the ever present rush to judgment, never mind weighing of evidence, scant evidence required in this court.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Those are your 'facts' with which you dismiss this ruling? I think a stronger set of arguments is required prior to the sermonizing. Preaching = failure to communicate.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)And GeorgeGist is who I was replying to, not sure if he is so outraged.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)like that' without any specifics. This enhances my opinion of your sermonizing as being based on a lack of specific knowledge.
And stop characterizing a criticism of your style as 'outrage'. Cheap sermonizing tactic. When challenged, you throw out insults.
Suburban Warrior
(405 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Most of the media is lazy in this country and a disgrace to real journalists
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)A bit more than 35 feet. So it's OK for them but not anyone else. Looks like an uneven application of the law to me.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)but pregnant women and those who provide abortion services do not? Good to know. I'm sure the victims of the slain and bombings would disagree. In fact, on MHP, they just noted that there has never been a murdered supreme court justice, but we've had 8 murdered healthcare providers since 1993.
Looks to me like the evidence on the ground points to the supreme court needing less protection than abortion providers, not more.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)OP.
Here it is again.
Hard to say. Courts and legislatures do need protection, they were protected since time began.
You don't mention buffer zones for the courts and legislature in the OP, so I'm not sure why you would think my comment had anything to do with the OP.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Not so much....
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)thing.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)has been there? Are you sure about that? Really sure? Maybe ever since 1949? Maybe time began in 1949? Huh?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)cave court.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)And there is a case winding its way to SCOTUS about that buffer, as SCOTUS extended it within the last few years. I guess we will see just how rank their hypocrisy is.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,179 posts)Citizens have always had the right to walk up to the steps of the legislature or courthouse to protest.
Most citizens they tried to sign a buffer zone on protests at government buildings REFUSED to sign it.
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Only recently, during the post 9/11 power grab did civilian rights start to change.
The SCOTUS change was even more recent.
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peace108
(3 posts)This decision is all the more crazy considering the massive Supreme Court buffer zone.
We recently organized a musical voting rights protest on the Supreme Court steps, in honor of slain voting rights marcher James Reeb. Here's the video, showing where we actually set up:
When the musicians set up initially, they were escorted off of the bottom steps!! And if you've ever been to the Supreme Court, those bottom steps are FAR away from the building.
Re: the video, if any of you dig it, please share, send to friends, and spread it around!! We HAVE to bring attention to voting rights NOW. One year since the Shelby decision, things have gotten so much worse.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)it is not the Justices who determine the security need, it is the security experts.
There is that word again.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Which is not surprising. Because you do it every time.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)sufficient, as they were fully aware that revoking the 35 foot perimeter would result in the re-application of the 8ft perimeter.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Just asking respectfully, because that would be horrid if they just arbitrarily said 8 ft., no exceptions for any building or land area or layout.
What about Congress and the White House, how should their needed buffer zones be set? Or should there be none at all?
former9thward
(31,963 posts)A 35 foot zone is not. Posters who say 34 feet is ok will find that courts do not like people that play games with them. The proper zone given all the circumstances will be much closer to 8 feet than 35.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)that make me any enemy? There is something really wrong with how people communicate over the net.
former9thward
(31,963 posts)There are some people who feel that no protests should be allowed and therefore any zone within seeing distance should not be allowed. That obviously is not constitutional but some people regard the constitution as a piece of paper to be used for things they like and tossed away when they don't like them.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)then let these protesting loons suck on it.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)What was that SC case that the city can take private or public land ?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)to sell Comm Ave to the clinic. That is just silly. Other clinics are in a similar situation.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Some kind of barrier? Do not know, do not know the layout, or the feasibility of any of that, but local people do, I am guessing.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"Planned Parenthood Federation of America and Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts condemn todays ruling by the Supreme Court in McCullen v. Coakley, a case challenging a 2007 Massachusetts law, An Act Relative to Public Safety. In an effort to protect patient and public safety while balancing free speech rights, the law established a 35-foot zone in which no protests or demonstrations are permitted during health center operating hours.
This decision shows a troubling level of disregard for American women, who should be able to make carefully considered, private medical decisions without running a gauntlet of harassing and threatening protesters, said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America.We are taking a close look at this ruling, as well as patient protection laws around the country, to ensure that women can continue to make their own health care decisions without fear of harassment or intimidation.
More at link
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/newsroom/press-releases/planned-parenthood-our-patients-and-staff-will-be-protected
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Click on the map just below the search parameters.
Is this the one, the litigated location?
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-center/massachusetts/boston/02215/greater-boston-health-center-3293-90610
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)ananda
(28,856 posts)... and let it make its way through the courts again.