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davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:53 PM Jun 2014

What True Beauty Is.

A post I read recently, about a fellow DUer who is feeling really down, really hit a nerve for me. He was feeling very bad because someone he thought of as good looking had given him a look of revulsion - he suspects, because of his weight. So I wanted to share a few thoughts about my own views on the matter of beauty, on what is appealing, what is sexy, what is, to me, attractive.

I once dated, even lived with for a time... a woman who was a professional dancer (no, not the exotic kind). She had a body that was physically beautiful. She had long blonde hair and beautiful eyes, she had a smile that took my breath away. Over time, I came to discover that she was a tea party republican. She often ranted about how women's lib had ruined things for everyone. She told me, with a straight face, that she thought women shouldn't have the right to vote, that a woman's place was in the house, taking care of the children, cooking meals, doing all the typical domestic chores that, historically, women did far more often than men.

She told me that she thought people who received welfare, or food stamps, or who lived in what she called "the projects", should be sterilized so they could not further pollute the gene pool. She frequently listened to Christian radio, attended church every Sunday, was involved in all kinds of projects and activities. She was a teacher for children with special needs - and often told me that such people should never be permitted to reproduce.

She was very private, generally, with these thoughts and feelings. Over time, as I came to know her better, she shared many of them with me. We often had loud arguments about them, which she usually ended by infuriating me well past the point that I could speak coherently. I'd have to take a walk or I'd start shouting.

It did not occur to me for quite some time, that I was on the list of people she thought should never reproduce, raise children, vote, or contribute to the world. I was, simply put, not beautiful enough. I was overweight (probably about twenty to thirty pounds), I was on medication for post traumatic stress disorder. I did not have either a long list of academic or societal achievements. I was poor. One night, at dinner, when I went back for seconds (or thirds, I don't recall which, but there was this really great rice...) she told me I was disgusting.

Our relationship became one in which I constantly felt unworthy, ugly, despised myself. I listened to her tell me who I was, what I was - and it only rarely occurred to me to wonder if maybe my feelings were a bit colored by the way she looked at me. I stuck around, because I felt that in some way I deserved punishment. For being fat, for being ugly. For not being a normal member of society.

It was not until a couple of years afterwards that I was able to look at it with anything resembling neutrality. The reality of the situation? She was the ugly one. Her thoughts and feelings about her fellow human beings were well beyond ugly. Her cruelty for people who had never done her any wrong was beyond despicable. The physical appearance was an appealing mask to hide a terrifyingly dark heart and soul.

For all of the worship of physical form, of the appearance of beauty, of sparkling eyes and pearly white smiles... she was, in truth, an extremely unattractive person.

She dragged others down because, deep down inside, she was deeply insecure and afraid of abandonment. She never understood why I ended up ending our relationship, why I broke it off. Because, she was so much more beautiful than me, as she often pointed out.

Now I'm not going to toot my own horn here, I don't think I'm beautiful. I think I'm kind of average, and often I think I'm kind of ridiculous looking.

The people I find beautiful now though? They are usually of a far different sort. They are mothers and Fathers, daughters and sons, they are of all colors, all races, of all backgrounds, religions, sexual orientations or what have you. They are the people who, instead of pulling others down, use the overwhelming beauty of their own minds and hearts to bring them up. They are the people who delight in our smiles not because they are pearly white, but because they are a sign that we are happy.

True beauty lies in the compassionate nature of a generous person. It is when a mother bandages the knee of an injured child. When a Father shows up for his children's school plays, or sports events. It is when a tired waitress smiles at you and asks you how your day was. It is when a brave soldier steps in front of a grenade for his brothers and sisters in arms. It is the fireman or policeman who gives his life to save the lives of others. It is the teacher who inspires children to creativity, to thought, to compassion, to a genuine concern for the world around them.

I will never again fall prey to an ugly person who tells me I am ugly. The women I find most attractive today have far different qualities. They are generous, kind, understanding. They spend their time working in soup kitchens or organizing community events to help people in need. They are dedicated, compassionate individuals working to make the world a better place. I say, too, without hesitation, that all such men are also beautiful.

So here's a shout out for true beauty and for the beautiful men and women of DU. Also, a shout out for a pretty awesome DUer who is feeling bad about himself right now. Drunken Irishman - you, Sir, are a beautiful man - and don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

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What True Beauty Is. (Original Post) davidthegnome Jun 2014 OP
Rec early and often. Turbineguy Jun 2014 #1
Well said, and right on. Thank you! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2014 #2
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #3
. libodem Jun 2014 #4
Isn't it strange? abakan Jun 2014 #5
+42 Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #6
People who have great physical beauty, also have a terrible disadvantage. MH1 Jun 2014 #7
In some rare cases, that isn't true DFW Jun 2014 #18
Outside looks don't last.. inside ugly stays forever SoCalDem Jun 2014 #21
So true... n/t PasadenaTrudy Jun 2014 #25
intelligence plays the biggest role in compassion reddread Jun 2014 #54
That was a beautifully articulate and profound expression, thank you! I've had a similar evolution! DrewFlorida Jun 2014 #8
True beauty. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #46
K&R! For a beautiful post. True beauty is internal. JaneyVee Jun 2014 #9
another KnR for an excellent post. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #10
^^^What she said!^^^ freshwest Jun 2014 #35
What an extraordinarily well written post. A HERETIC I AM Jun 2014 #11
Thank you for that post. Moostache Jun 2014 #12
Beautifully stated. K & R 1monster Jun 2014 #13
Beautiful. yellerpup Jun 2014 #14
Wonderful post! etherealtruth Jun 2014 #15
Davidthegnome, you made the same mistake I've made too many times... DesertDiamond Jun 2014 #16
Beautiful... Tom_Foolery Jun 2014 #17
I workout in a gym full of women that are like your girlfriend. Cleita Jun 2014 #19
... And many people don't need Helen Borg Jun 2014 #31
Of course not. My point was that a woman who wasn't supposed Cleita Jun 2014 #32
You, too, are a beautiful man. Thank you. LoisB Jun 2014 #20
Just beautiful-thank you for this! babylonsister Jun 2014 #22
Thank You so eloquent and clear..K and R nt Stuart G Jun 2014 #23
great post. CreekDog Jun 2014 #24
I've said it before David grasswire Jun 2014 #26
Kahlil Gibran put it this way: CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2014 #27
Great post! Emotional and verbal abuse ecstatic Jun 2014 #28
The most beautiful people find beauty in others. nolabear Jun 2014 #29
I don't get it... Helen Borg Jun 2014 #30
Complete and Utter Fail ... brett_jv Jun 2014 #39
Because on the inside, she recognizes her own ugliness, yourmovemonkey Jun 2014 #44
Something I learned in therapy... mwooldri Jun 2014 #48
Sorry, I did not mean to be dismissive. Helen Borg Jun 2014 #53
Sorry, but you didn't really READ this post.. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #49
Thanks, I got the point... Helen Borg Jun 2014 #52
Ever heard of "negative pay-off"? By having someone around Surya Gayatri Jun 2014 #57
A truly beautiful post! tenderfoot Jun 2014 #33
Great post! Ruby the Liberal Jun 2014 #34
Great essay, davidthegnome! calimary Jun 2014 #36
Glad to Rec and not to rant for a change. Truer words were never spoken! Dustlawyer Jun 2014 #37
A very lovely post, Mr. Gnome. Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #38
Beautiful post. K&R laundry_queen Jun 2014 #40
Amazing post. herding cats Jun 2014 #41
Mahalo davidthegnome.. your post brought little Cha Jun 2014 #42
This is the sort of essay that can make DU/GD great again. Nice work. Thank you. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #43
So well said, thank you so much! mrsadm Jun 2014 #45
You are truly beautiful! peasant one Jun 2014 #47
Davidthegnome, you are truly beautiful. As is Drunken Irishman. mwooldri Jun 2014 #50
Very good post. Thank you, you helped someone today. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #51
What stands out for me in this OP was the fact that she was a teacher thucythucy Jun 2014 #55
You have a beautiful heart TNNurse Jun 2014 #56
No one? davidthegnome Jun 2014 #59
Thanks TNNurse Jun 2014 #61
I can't see too well right now, demmit! WinkyDink Jun 2014 #58
Truly amazing peice of writing... CherokeeDem Jun 2014 #60
Thank you. Lovely post. smirkymonkey Jun 2014 #62

MH1

(17,573 posts)
7. People who have great physical beauty, also have a terrible disadvantage.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jun 2014

Because they can get by on their looks, and others often give them a pass due to their looks, they often don't develop the empathy and caring that more average (more real) folks are kind of forced to learn.

Not that it is impossible for a physically beautiful person to also grow to be beautiful on the inside - for example, word is that George Clooney and Brad Pitt are pretty decent human beings. Just that it is easier to miss the mark if one is protected by their physical features.

Great post.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
18. In some rare cases, that isn't true
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jun 2014

In some cases, some people who are of great physical beauty never realize it, and never believe it when they are told.

I know of at least three such women. One of them, at age 19 or 20 or so, was walking past some construction workers in New York City at lunch time, and complained that they were making fun of her. When she passed, she complained that they were waving, shouting "hi there beautiful!" and gesturing in her direction but when she turned around to see who they were calling to, there was no one there. She considered it a rude prank. It never occurred to her that she, herself, might have been the object of their attention. Probably NOT coincidentally, it never occurred to her (or her sister) to vote Republican either. Their mother is the same way, still turns the head of men half her age, and can't for the life of her figure out what they're staring at. If she could vote in our elections, she would not be voting Republican, either.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
21. Outside looks don't last.. inside ugly stays forever
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:07 PM
Jun 2014

This is something one learns with age.. and as we age, looks matter less and less..

People who obsess about their own looks (while they are young and usually look great) will often turn into bitter, unhappy older folks

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
12. Thank you for that post.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:52 PM
Jun 2014

Its too often that our culture infects our minds and convinces people to value the superficial and the inconsequential over the things that should really matter to us all - healthy relationships, rejoicing in the happiness of others and the inherent joy that comes from sharing the vulnerable parts of your soul with another person.

DesertDiamond

(1,616 posts)
16. Davidthegnome, you made the same mistake I've made too many times...
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jun 2014

Staying in a relationship that should have ended with the first revealing conversation or incident. Like you, it has often taken me a long time to realize that the other person did not see my value, and that there was never going to be a real relationship - not the kind I want. I'm glad you're out of there!! Let's make a pact to never make that mistake again!

And regarding beauty, I've dated men who were so gorgeous they could make women drool, but often the handsome was only on the outside, with the inside being pathologically self-centered at best, and often much darker than that.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
19. I workout in a gym full of women that are like your girlfriend.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:28 PM
Jun 2014

The fact is that they are so entitled they don't get it that most other people really need to struggle to achieve a number 5 on the desirability scale let alone a 10. Yet, my fat, plain faced friend, I'll call Petunia (affectionately), has achieved a happy life, with a husband who adores her and a cute little boy and new baby. She runs a small business that is thriving and literally lives in a cute cottage with a white picket fence. I kid you not. The only thing missing from her life is the Disney blue birds flitting around her wherever she goes.

My swan like gym compatriots, on the other hand are dealing with various setbacks. One discovered she has breast cancer (truly sad) and is undergoing chemotherapy. Another found out her husband is cheating on her and is going through a divorce. Another has out of control children she can't handle. Every single one is a tea bagger and don't get it that bad things that should happen to the lesser ones around them can happen to them too. Oh, the "why me?" drama.

Actually being ordinary better prepares you for life's coming ordeals than being one of the golden ones. I hope everyone out there who has been spurned because of their looks let it wash off them like it never happened because it seems it's possible to find real happiness, love and fulfillment even though you aren't a ten.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
31. ... And many people don't need
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:19 PM
Jun 2014

An adoring partner or various babies to lead a happy life. Remember that, please.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
32. Of course not. My point was that a woman who wasn't supposed
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:42 PM
Jun 2014

to be as likely as the the golden goddesses to achieve it, who took it for granted it would be theirs, did achieve it with inner beauty. Those who have felt entitled to it have been having a harder time and IMHO it's their Tea Bag philosophies that are acting as a big turn off to those who are in their orbit.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
26. I've said it before David
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 05:47 PM
Jun 2014

I believe in your writing skills. Your voice is clear and conversational. Easy, and calmly persuasive.

Good one.

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
28. Great post! Emotional and verbal abuse
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 06:31 PM
Jun 2014

is so insidious and damaging. Glad to hear that you have moved on.

nolabear

(41,938 posts)
29. The most beautiful people find beauty in others.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jun 2014

That look of delight, eyes shining at a piece of music or a bit of nature or a child or a creature. Engagement. A big laugh. An unashamed cry. Love of life. That's beautiful. That's wonderful!

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
30. I don't get it...
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:17 PM
Jun 2014

Why would a beautiful girl stick with someone she finds disgusting for years? I can understand why you would stick with her, despite her inner ugliness, but not the other way around. Sorry...

yourmovemonkey

(266 posts)
44. Because on the inside, she recognizes her own ugliness,
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 02:40 AM
Jun 2014

and the only way she can overcome that is to demoralize someone else so that she can feel superior. She needs that constant reminder because she is a broken human.

mwooldri

(10,301 posts)
48. Something I learned in therapy...
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:34 AM
Jun 2014

A person may have a "significant other" who they despise and abuse. However, that person may have needs that can only be met by the person they despise. They may need their victim for physical needs (money, status by association, housing...) or for emotional needs (fear of being alone, need to have some control in their life, other insecurities) .

I see this happen with people who go through group therapy with me. They are with spouses or "significant others" who have experienced the ugliness of their partner firsthand and are in grief (loss of love), feel trapped (perception of nowhere to go or fear of not being able to survive outwith the relationship) or are staying on "for the sake of the kids (which IMO is often not a good thing).

For the record, I'm not a therapist. I just have a need for some intensive therapy from time to time. As such, I get exposure to people who have been in such abusive relationships. One thing they have in common are the words "I'm ugly". When you have sat in many sessions with that person, they have shared something they wouldn't share outside that group... and they are usually exhibiting their inner beauty. That is the beauty that is the best kind. It's raw, it's real, and it's completely laid out in front of you. On the physical front, the people who say they're ugly aren't always those who could shed some (or a lot) of weight. I've seen people who have great physical looks and say that they're ugly.

They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'd change that phrase to "beauty is in the mind of the beholder". I say this because I met my wife through email exchange. I saw her beauty way before I saw a picture of her and before I met her in person. Ok, she weighs 257lbs right now (she got up to 365 lbs at one point) but if you ever saw her eyes and smile... spent some time with her and having a conversation .... I'm positive you would see her almost in the same way I do - to me she is the most beautiful person in the world. And I love her very much and I'm humbled that she chose me.

So people of both genders can put up with abuse and receiving frequent messages of "you're ugly" from their abusers and stick around.

As to your post I think it could have been better phrased as it comes off to me as being dismissive of the OP's post and appears to me to reinforce the message he was getting from the blonde tea-party dancer. He's not ugly by my book -he's showing strength and beauty.

Thank you for listening, Mark.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
53. Sorry, I did not mean to be dismissive.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:54 AM
Jun 2014

It's just a situation I have never observed in my life. People cheating on each other or bored with each other, sure, all the time. But this, not really. So, I'm interested in the dynamics and history...

mountain grammy

(26,600 posts)
49. Sorry, but you didn't really READ this post..
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:46 AM
Jun 2014

try again to understand what's being said about outward and inward beauty.. thanks.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
52. Thanks, I got the point...
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:52 AM
Jun 2014

Mature individuals look at inner beauty. Great point, but not a revolutionary insight. I was more interested in understanding why somebody would stick with somebody they find disgusting. At some point, probably she did not find the OP disgusting, I would assume. What changed over time?

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
57. Ever heard of "negative pay-off"? By having someone around
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jun 2014

to denigrate and despise, you avoid confronting your own failings.
Classic compensatory behavior--she unconsciously spotted a victim for her pernicious persecution the moment they met.
Read Eric Berne--"Games People Play".

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
40. Beautiful post. K&R
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:32 AM
Jun 2014

I've been on both sides. I've been 'beautiful' and now I'm fat and ugly (well, once in awhile I get told I have a 'pretty face' which is code for, "it's a pity you are SO fat&quot and I will say that I'm happier now than I was when I was young and beautiful. I truly didn't see people for who they are, and I was still in the shadow of my mother's shallow judgmental attitudes toward everyone - and I assumed everyone was judging me the same way. It's taken me 2 decades and 100 lbs to get past that upbringing. I see the beauty in everyone now. I judge people by their actions, not by what they project as their 'self'. I am starting to see the ugliness in 'beautiful' people who are just plain mean. Their assholishness shines through and distorts their features.

And physically beautiful people can be wonderful, caring people, and ugly people can be total assholes. I married someone who wasn't 'a looker' back when *I* was, because in my warped mind, I thought someone who wasn't beautiful would be nicer and not so shallow. Nope, apparently that's not how it works. He was a sociopath and destroyed my life. My 3 closest friends right now are GORGEOUS women, I mean model pretty and they are super wonderful, caring, kind people. Part of me still can hear my mother's voice in my head, "why would THEY (beautiful) want to hang out with YOU (fat 'n ugly)" but these women don't care...because they are beautiful inside and out. Some people learn the lesson because they have great parents and have been taught empathy and some never do, no matter how many life lessons they have. The trick is to learn how to discern between them.

Thanks for a beautiful post...you are a beautiful person and so is Drunken Irishman.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
41. Amazing post.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:43 AM
Jun 2014

One of the best I've ever read here. Really.

In context of why you posted this, it makes you a truly beautiful person. My hat is off to your beauty and your verbose way of sharing it with this mundane person.

I stand in awe of you.

Cha

(296,893 posts)
42. Mahalo davidthegnome.. your post brought little
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 02:34 AM
Jun 2014

tears forth.. it's so awesome! It's so wonderful when we all learn what true beauty is over the years.

mwooldri

(10,301 posts)
50. Davidthegnome, you are truly beautiful. As is Drunken Irishman.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:47 AM
Jun 2014

Thank you for sharing your raw, open self. I met (arguably) the most beautiful person in the world back in 1998 through email exchange. I never saw a picture of her for about 3-4 months after we found each other, yet I saw her beauty shine through those emails.

And to Mr. Irishman .... you are not ugly by any stretch of my imagination... not by the content of your posts and by extension your whole self. Anyone who tells you that you're ugly are welcome to take a long walk on Brighton West Pier (Brighton, England). Same goes to you, David.

mountain grammy

(26,600 posts)
51. Very good post. Thank you, you helped someone today.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jun 2014

I'm no big fan of country music, only listen because i love my husband, but there's one song I remember: "She Don't Know She's Beautiful." It has a nice message.

thucythucy

(8,039 posts)
55. What stands out for me in this OP was the fact that she was a teacher
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:57 AM
Jun 2014

"for children with special needs" and yet evidently held such a contemptuous view of people with disabilities (who often need government assistance of some kind, and live "the projects"--and were in the past often subject to just the sort of involuntary sterilization she seemed to support).

God knows the sort of damage she might have done to those children. To be a child with a disability, and then to be exposed to someone with such a demeaning attitude toward your very existence, is a terrible burden to have to bear. Most exceptional ed. teachers I've run into have been wonderful, dedicated people, but every now and again you run into someone who has gone into the field for very dark, twisted reasons.

Thanks for this OP. I agree with the others who say it was beautifully written, but felt I needed to add this comment.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
56. You have a beautiful heart
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jun 2014

That is so much more valuable than physical beauty.

I am not pretty, I am not ugly. I am ordinary looking. No one has ever told me that I am beautiful, at almost 65, I am not expecting it to happen, ever. I am however a nice person, I try to be kind. I am honest and wish the best for others, even most Republicans. I believe that children should have food, clothing, shelter and EDUCATION. If their parent cannot provide it, the system (government, churches, charity or whatever) should. Being unable to provide for themselves is NOT THE CHILD'S FAULT and may not be the parent's fault.

Those assholes who call us a "Christian Nation", which we aren't and should not be, should have made us a kinder and more generous country by now.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
59. No one?
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jun 2014

Then let me be the first to say so. You are beautiful.

" I am honest and wish the best for others, even most Republicans. I believe that children should have food, clothing, shelter and EDUCATION."

The whole point of the OP - is that THIS is what true beauty is. It is compassion for our fellow human beings, it is generosity, it is selflessness and love, courage in the face of overwhelming darkness and fear. To wish the best for everyone, to be honest, to support the needs of the many as opposed to the needs of the self... this is beauty. Therefor, you are beautiful.

It is a wonderful thing, to share this forum with so many beautiful people.

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