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Clinton on the hot seat: UNLV students ask Hillary to return $225000 speaker fee (Original Post) warrior1 Jun 2014 OP
Well, it wouldn't make poor Hillary "dead broke" again. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #1
LMFAO L0oniX Jun 2014 #2
LOL LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #99
why isn't she allowed to make $$ warrior1 Jun 2014 #3
The rules are no different for Hillary, so, of course, she doesn't have to return the fee, but . . . InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #34
She earned it yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #50
That is ridiculous. There is a huge speakers circuit, everyone has their fee. Don't book them if stevenleser Jun 2014 #67
That's true. LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #101
Absolutely true, and nothing in my comment was meant to suggest otherwise... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #108
It's not the University that's asking for the money back, IronGate Jun 2014 #124
No, they don't have a legit complaint. The fee was paid by a private donors group. stevenleser Jun 2014 #126
Sorry, but the students see it differently and I'll side with the students. IronGate Jun 2014 #129
There is no "it" to see differently. The fee was not paid by the university but by a private group. stevenleser Jun 2014 #137
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #153
Yes, it's 100% private and separate from the University. Nice try, but no. stevenleser Jun 2014 #155
I disagree, and I do see it differently. IronGate Jun 2014 #166
Those students (and hopefully some DUers) are supposedly smart enough to understand Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #146
You're right but its even worse than that. It would go back to a private donor organization, not to stevenleser Jun 2014 #156
Paying someone that kind of money for anything short of their left kidney is bullshit. Man or woman roguevalley Jun 2014 #78
I've love to see threads of outrage over the speaker fees BainsBane Jun 2014 #177
fuck them all. i don't care who you are. people are starving and they, all of them get fatter for roguevalley Jun 2014 #180
what does this have to do with her being a woman? snooper2 Jun 2014 #4
You tell me warrior1 Jun 2014 #6
Read the paper this weekend? There was an expose of *BILL* Clinton's speaking fees. Romulox Jun 2014 #148
I am wondering the same thing. Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #45
ok, briefly: males in the equivalent position to Hillary, (say, Cheney) make the same. No outrage librechik Jun 2014 #138
I don't think it has anything to do with being a woman - and Republican speakers are protested all djean111 Jun 2014 #5
It is a ridiculous fee. earthside Jun 2014 #11
She held a gun to their head and said "you must pay this ridiculous fee or I detonate the bomb" Omaha Steve Jun 2014 #37
'They'... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #43
To be honest, it is not the students business yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #51
But I think we can all agree how awful it is to have foundations that do nothing truedelphi Jun 2014 #54
Foundations are for the Alumni and "selling the school" yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #58
I hate to break it to you Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #73
'The children'? Could you be any more condescending? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #72
Well your right yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #85
They can't? Seems like nobody told them they can't 'cause they are. WillowTree Jun 2014 #94
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #152
No one is arguing they cant say it. The rest of your post is just as wrongheaded. stevenleser Jun 2014 #161
I agree Omaha Steve Jun 2014 #64
the foundation is paying it hfojvt Jun 2014 #56
There is no such thing as a ridiculous fee. Don't book people if you don't want to pay their fee. stevenleser Jun 2014 #68
The students who are protesting didn't book her. WillowTree Jun 2014 #96
The students don't run the University. They don't pay for most of its operation stevenleser Jun 2014 #121
Supply meet demand. Beacool Jun 2014 #79
It's only a ridiculous fee if the university doesn't pay it. Talk to the university about why they madinmaryland Jun 2014 #95
Many of these are young repukes that want attention BootinUp Jun 2014 #7
The meme is definitely right wing. joshcryer Jun 2014 #49
But leave it to DU to spread it around. Beacool Jun 2014 #80
This^ So many RW tools here they just cant feign being progressive. Anansi1171 Jun 2014 #128
What stupid speech (I mean, let's face it, they're ALL just another speech) is ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #8
And I'd be glad to give you a buck or two to add to yours. truedelphi Jun 2014 #62
If Bill.... RobertEarl Jun 2014 #65
^^^^^^This is the correct answer. ^^^^^^^ woo me with science Jun 2014 #98
+1 leftstreet Jun 2014 #100
A speech that allows you to raise 3 million is worth a quarter of a million. In fact a speech that Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #87
she inspires young people warrior1 Jun 2014 #9
No question Hillary inspires young people - to demand that their tuition money not be wasted on exorbitant speaking fees, yes, that's true. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #40
No question Hillary inspires young people - to demand that their tuition money not be wasted on exor yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #53
Before you think I mean grammar....I don't yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #55
I think its reasonable request by the students Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #10
They don't have wifi at that school? LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #109
she's donating it to charity bigtree Jun 2014 #12
To her own charitable foundation LittleBlue Jun 2014 #15
you have a problem with what the Clinton foundation does? bigtree Jun 2014 #23
The New York Times exposed the foundation a year ago LittleBlue Jun 2014 #24
just a few of the 'wasteful, vanity projects' bigtree Jun 2014 #27
Clinton family at it again . . . typical of them bigtree Jun 2014 #38
I wonder if he made them carry his bags LittleBlue Jun 2014 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jun 2014 #46
That's a remarkable list. Don't expect it to change the Clinton hatred Arkansas Granny Jun 2014 #61
Of course not, they peddle RW talking points like pros. Beacool Jun 2014 #75
Your entire post is incredibly offensive and you should consider deleting it AngryAmish Jun 2014 #104
go bother someone else bigtree Jun 2014 #105
It was a bullshit expose. Beacool Jun 2014 #74
yep bigtree Jun 2014 #88
She could donate it to the students Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #18
I didn't know that. Beacool Jun 2014 #71
yep, Beacool bigtree Jun 2014 #76
Then what is the FREAKING problem????????? Beacool Jun 2014 #82
Robbing a public university of $225k LittleBlue Jun 2014 #13
Really she's robbing this university? warrior1 Jun 2014 #14
No, I'm not kidding LittleBlue Jun 2014 #17
Oh, for fuck's sake... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #16
Thank you warrior1 Jun 2014 #20
The article says it best LittleBlue Jun 2014 #21
BLame the University not Ms. Clinton's warrior1 Jun 2014 #22
Oh, for fucks sake (Part II) Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #28
It's not like UNLV can just magic up an extra quarter million dollars Calista241 Jun 2014 #147
No. That's not reasonable at all... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #172
Is it too much to ask to become informed before typing? Beacool Jun 2014 #77
They just wanted to get in on the pile on. Lex Jun 2014 #139
They take an article that has half of the fast as if it's written in stone, Beacool Jun 2014 #160
It is impossible to believe that some people are having such a hard time grasping where the money yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #86
Shameful - Simply Shameful cantbeserious Jun 2014 #19
And typical too. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #41
So warrior1 Jun 2014 #25
I think it has more to do with the cost of tuition Savannahmann Jun 2014 #26
$6720 per year? Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #32
That shows how out touch betterdemsonly Jun 2014 #44
i have no friggin' clue what you're talking about Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #69
17% increase Savannahmann Jun 2014 #52
Oh, for fuck's sake (Part 3) Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #66
When someone says, "I still think X" after "X" has been tblue37 Jun 2014 #130
The rethugs are trying to deny her the only chance to escape grinding, generational poverty AngryAmish Jun 2014 #29
Did you miss the part about she's donating the money warrior1 Jun 2014 #30
What incredible generosity! AngryAmish Jun 2014 #33
2 questions. Would UNLY pay some other speaker $225K? Did Hillary give a speech there? NightWatcher Jun 2014 #31
Bill himself recently took in $500K for a speaking big Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #35
The problem is an issue bigger than than Hillary. Shoulders of Giants Jun 2014 #36
We have speakers tours that come here and I'd pay money to listen to some people NightWatcher Jun 2014 #39
Gotta start somewhere betterdemsonly Jun 2014 #47
This has nothing to with Hillary being a woman Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #48
In many parts of this country 225K will get you nice house. Throd Jun 2014 #57
These are the same Republicans who are suing Obama for trying to work. McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #59
Exactly. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #84
She signed up with a speaker's agency elfin Jun 2014 #60
Eeks! Hillary's name next to $$$ signs in a headline. It's the attack of GOP spin! McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #63
I think that they should take it up with the administrators of their university, not the speaker. Beacool Jun 2014 #70
The students don't understand that the foundation is paying Hillary's fee tammywammy Jun 2014 #81
tell that to the others who are calling it "shameful". Beacool Jun 2014 #83
The real shame is how tone deaf it all is. Throd Jun 2014 #89
Well, that's what the Republicans are saying (well, not about members of their own party who also Metric System Jun 2014 #90
It Is Shameful That A Supposed Aspirant For The Presidency Does Not Volunteer Her Experience For Free cantbeserious Jun 2014 #103
Dude, what part of the fee was privately funded and it's going to charity, did you miss? Beacool Jun 2014 #110
Dude - Where In The Story Arc Has A Charity Been Named - Sounds Like Wishful Thinking cantbeserious Jun 2014 #114
Read the comments from various people. Beacool Jun 2014 #117
Right - No Charity Named cantbeserious Jun 2014 #136
cantbeserious--FYI, the purpose of "eom" is as a courtesy to warn readers that tblue37 Jun 2014 #131
You Do It Your Way - I Do It My Way cantbeserious Jun 2014 #135
She has given PLENTY of speeches for free. And all of the money went to the Clinton Foundation, NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #140
If The Speeches Were Given For Free - How Could Any Money Go To A Foundation cantbeserious Jun 2014 #141
The speeches that were given for free at other organizations obviously didn't NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #145
So - With Respect To Money - Duplicity All Around cantbeserious Jun 2014 #149
No, not "duplicity all around". A lot of money raised for charity. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #151
Still No Proof That The $ 225,000 Is Going To Charity - No Charity Named cantbeserious Jun 2014 #154
Oh bullshit MFrohike Jun 2014 #91
Seriously, it's not like anyone hangs on her every word quoting words of wisdom that will make a bit of difference in the lives of people (other than bankers). InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #116
+ 1,000 cantbeserious Jun 2014 #142
Kid Just Wants Publicity Rolo Jun 2014 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author Initech Jun 2014 #93
Did you bother to read the comments from other DUers? Beacool Jun 2014 #102
No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. kiva Jun 2014 #118
No, it does not. Does not. Does not. The fee is paid by *private donations*, tblue37 Jun 2014 #133
Awww, the widdle R-W kiddies don't like the Free Market! WinkyDink Jun 2014 #97
It seems like they should be upset with their university if they were being honest. herding cats Jun 2014 #106
The fee was not from the University, it was from the UNLV Foundation, two totally Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #107
Also, the fee is being donated to charity. Beacool Jun 2014 #111
She an do as she pleases, she does have a generous heart. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #112
Yes, it would, but I'm not holding my breath. Beacool Jun 2014 #113
I wonder how many of them are planning to donate all their own earnings to the tblue37 Jun 2014 #134
Let me guess...........none of them? Beacool Jun 2014 #162
And she's also done many speeches for free. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #144
Yeah, it's one of many fake scandals. Beacool Jun 2014 #163
"The speaking fee...comes from donors’ private contributions for this event." VOX Jun 2014 #115
Riddle me this. bluedigger Jun 2014 #119
Because the people paying her fee betterdemsonly Jun 2014 #120
Then they should be protesting those people, not HRC. bluedigger Jun 2014 #122
Boo Hoo betterdemsonly Jun 2014 #123
Excellent rebuttal. bluedigger Jun 2014 #127
Your proof that they are "promoting austerity" for students? kiva Jun 2014 #143
The tuition is being raised 12% betterdemsonly Jun 2014 #171
Seriously, what part of 'this fee has nothing to do with student tuition' kiva Jun 2014 #173
Like this foundation has no influence over the regents decisions. betterdemsonly Jun 2014 #174
No they do not. kiva Jun 2014 #175
If you take the time to eyeball just who sits on the board of directors at truedelphi Jun 2014 #176
That may be true in California, kiva Jun 2014 #179
It's simple.The media does it to cause fake conflict. Beacool Jun 2014 #159
Hell Yeah! Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #125
Here's my 2 cent on this... Hippo_Tron Jun 2014 #132
All that hokey "we were dead broke!" and "I tried to care about money--but couldn't!" Romulox Jun 2014 #150
You actually believe that? Beacool Jun 2014 #157
Nope, and nobody else believed it, either. So why did she say it? Romulox Jun 2014 #158
No, she was just stating a fact, but leave it to the vultures to pounce on it. Beacool Jun 2014 #164
It's a losing argument. Nobody is sympathetic to the "Poor lil' Hillary" routine. Romulox Jun 2014 #165
See, that's where you assessment is wrong. Beacool Jun 2014 #167
If you think Hillary had a good week, well... Romulox Jun 2014 #168
I didn't say that she had a good week. Beacool Jun 2014 #169
Right. Just like 2008 primary voters forgot her pro-outsourcing speeches made while Romulox Jun 2014 #170
She should be taking that money from Fox News instead BainsBane Jun 2014 #178

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
34. The rules are no different for Hillary, so, of course, she doesn't have to return the fee, but . . .
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:03 PM
Jun 2014

it would be a very nice gesture and a smart move on her part, which means it's neva gonna happen. Hillary is politically tone deaf to the plight of the 99%. Talking to other rich folks while "in town," i.e. in her upscale New York neighborhood where she keeps one of her multiple mansions, has insulated her from the plight of regular people who struggle to survive on a daily basis. Why it's not surprising that donating her speaking fee to help ease students' tuition burden would never even enter Hillary's mind.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
50. She earned it
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:38 PM
Jun 2014

If Hillary gives the money back then I will be very disappointed because it will open a can of worms that is not fair. So sick and tired of the Hillary bashing. If Hillary is not running, then I hope she tells them to go somewhere and then she should just go enjoy herself. She certainly deserves it after 40 years of extremely hard work.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
67. That is ridiculous. There is a huge speakers circuit, everyone has their fee. Don't book them if
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:51 PM
Jun 2014

you don't want to pay it. Simple, there are plenty of less expensive folks listed. I'm one of them.

And if you book me and I show up and give my speech, I'm not returning the fee either.

There are hundreds perhaps thousands of folks listed with these agencies with prices all the way up and down the line. You want a famous superstar and have the money to pay them, more power too you.

If you don't, folks like me are available.

Either way, the fees are up front so don't cry about it afterward.

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
101. That's true.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:39 PM
Jun 2014

They knew her fee when they booked her. If UNLV needed that money, they shouldn't have booked her. Personally, I'd never vote for my school to spend that kind of money on a speech. I think it's disgusting. It's the sort of shit Goldman Sachs does. But Hillary didn't swindle them out of that money.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
108. Absolutely true, and nothing in my comment was meant to suggest otherwise...
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jun 2014

And in the University's case, any financial harm to students is indirect and minimal when compared to the dirty money Hillary takes from Wall Streeters, who obviously dont have the 99%'s best interests at heart.

And it looks like Bill and Hillary's longtime support for financial deregulation and other favors for those greedy capitalist pigs on Wall Street have paid off handsomely, both ways, as everyone keeps gettin richer in these process.

It's SICKENING - we need a champion of the people, by the people, and for the people who truly understands their day-to-day struggles and who will respond with real financial reform.

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
124. It's not the University that's asking for the money back,
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jun 2014

it's the students who are asking her to give it back, these same students who's tuition is increasing by 4% each year for the next 4 years, who's tuition has tripled since 2004, so, yeah, they've got a legitimate complaint.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/06/hillary-clintons-225k-unlv-speech-fee-sparks-uproar/

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
129. Sorry, but the students see it differently and I'll side with the students.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:11 AM
Jun 2014

Besides, I don't believe anyone is worth $225.000 speaking fees, but that's just me.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
137. There is no "it" to see differently. The fee was not paid by the university but by a private group.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 10:21 AM
Jun 2014

This is manufactured outrage against Hillary without a shred of legitimacy.

Response to stevenleser (Reply #137)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
155. Yes, it's 100% private and separate from the University. Nice try, but no.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jun 2014

Not only that, the dinner at which she spoke is used as a fundraiser where they raise much more money than her speakers fee. That's the whole point.

UNLV Foundation Annual Dinner Statement
Announcement | June 27, 2014 | By UNLV Media Relations
We are thrilled to welcome Secretary Clinton to UNLV, continuing our tradition of a long line of influential speakers, including former Secretaries of State Madeleine Albright and Colin Powell, former President Bill Clinton, former U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Dole, and former first lady Barbara Bush.

The speaking fee, which, per the original agreement, will be entirely given as a donation to the non-profit Clinton Foundation, comes from donors’ private contributions for this event.

Thanks to speakers like Secretary Clinton, our annual dinner has evolved from a donor recognition event to a fund raiser that supports the important work of the UNLV Foundation. We couldn’t do it without them. Since its inception in 1981, the UNLV Foundation has raised more than $1 billion in gifts and gift commitments to support the university.
 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
166. I disagree, and I do see it differently.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:56 PM
Jun 2014

I don't give a damn where the money is coming from, I, as in me, believe that the students have a legitimate beef with the excessive fee paid to her and I'm not going to change my mind despite your "There is no "it" to see differently" proclaimation.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
146. Those students (and hopefully some DUers) are supposedly smart enough to understand
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jun 2014

that even if for the sake of argument Clinton *DID* return the fees, those savings aren't magically converted into lowering the average student tuition, right?

I think some folks need a refresher course on just how state universities operate financially (and yes, I work at one)...

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
156. You're right but its even worse than that. It would go back to a private donor organization, not to
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jun 2014

a University account.

UNLV Foundation Annual Dinner Statement
Announcement | June 27, 2014 | By UNLV Media Relations
We are thrilled to welcome Secretary Clinton to UNLV, continuing our tradition of a long line of influential speakers, including former Secretaries of State Madeleine Albright and Colin Powell, former President Bill Clinton, former U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Dole, and former first lady Barbara Bush.

The speaking fee, which, per the original agreement, will be entirely given as a donation to the non-profit Clinton Foundation, comes from donors’ private contributions for this event.

Thanks to speakers like Secretary Clinton, our annual dinner has evolved from a donor recognition event to a fund raiser that supports the important work of the UNLV Foundation. We couldn’t do it without them. Since its inception in 1981, the UNLV Foundation has raised more than $1 billion in gifts and gift commitments to support the university.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
78. Paying someone that kind of money for anything short of their left kidney is bullshit. Man or woman
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 04:06 PM
Jun 2014

if she wants to look like she gives a damn, she needs to do this. Otherwise, she will demonstrate that she doesn't have a fucking clue about the rest of us. No canned speech is worth that kind of dough especially at a university where tuition went up 17%

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
177. I've love to see threads of outrage over the speaker fees
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 03:08 PM
Jun 2014

to other politicians, only we won't because no one gives a shit. Where is the hue and cry about the money Kucinich takes in from Fox? All we heard about is how he needed that money.

This is a capitalist country. Capitalism isn't a sin for women and acceptable for men, or okay for people you like and not for people you don't. It's the nature of the economy. She has every right to raise money for her campaign, and it's pretty obvious THAT is what pisses you all off.

The money comes from rich patrons. You feel so put out that they are out some pocket cash? Clearly people here have no idea how university budges work and how speakers are paid for, but the fact is none of you actually care. It's just another chance to complain about Clinton, which is precisely why this whole outrage is worth exactly nothing.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
180. fuck them all. i don't care who you are. people are starving and they, all of them get fatter for
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 06:19 PM
Jun 2014

Spewing bullshit.consider as well our side has compassion and solidarity with the worker bees. I don't care who pays for it. In this world now it is immoral and anti caring to do this. Shoot me if I say so.

librechik

(30,663 posts)
138. ok, briefly: males in the equivalent position to Hillary, (say, Cheney) make the same. No outrage
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 11:34 AM
Jun 2014

at their fees. Nut Hillary does it, suddenly it's a scandal. That's why it's about being a woman. Though it's probably more about her being Hillary.

Sorry for the girlsplaining. You asked.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
5. I don't think it has anything to do with being a woman - and Republican speakers are protested all
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014

the time.
I think this is just a perfect storm of Hillary talking about money, Bill weighing in, and the students getting tuition hikes.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
11. It is a ridiculous fee.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jun 2014

Man, woman, animal, vegetable or mineral ....

I would like to see an end to these gigantic speaking fees -- no one has anything that important to say for that kind of money.

"I was curious if I could care about [money] on some fundamental level, and I couldn’t."
Mom apparently cares plenty.

Omaha Steve

(99,073 posts)
37. She held a gun to their head and said "you must pay this ridiculous fee or I detonate the bomb"
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:07 PM
Jun 2014

I think not.

They knew the fee before agreeing to have her speak. They must expect her to bring in a great deal more $ than the ridiculous fee!!!

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
43. 'They'...
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jun 2014

Very doubtful that there was a referendum of the student body as to whether or not to cough up $225k to bring Hillary in for a talk.

The 'they' in question was probably a couple of people in administration, not students or even faculty. I certainly don't recall the university I attended ever asking the general student body for advice on who we wanted as speakers or how much we were willing to pay.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
51. To be honest, it is not the students business
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:40 PM
Jun 2014

The money did not come from the school. It came from the foundation which is completely separate. The children should be ashamed of themselves.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
54. But I think we can all agree how awful it is to have foundations that do nothing
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:43 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Sun Jun 29, 2014, 03:07 PM - Edit history (1)

But help the politicians who help the one percent.

To bad that foundation isn't helping to defray the students' tuition costs, which seems to be going up up and UP! in direct relationship to the sky rocketing level of the speaker fees.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
58. Foundations are for the Alumni and "selling the school"
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:47 PM
Jun 2014

Seems to me they are doing the job that they are supposed to be doing and doing it well. It certainly brought prestige to the school by having the future President of the United States to the school. The students at this school needs a serious reality check on how the foundation works. I especially am appalled that they are saying that it was THEIR tuition money that was spent on Hillary. Very angry about this nonsense story.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
73. I hate to break it to you
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:59 PM
Jun 2014

but very few students select which school they're going to based on whether or not 'future presidents' give talks there on occasion. So who are they 'selling the school' to? It's certainly not the consumers (students). Students care about the quality of the actual teachers, or the sports teams, or specific programs, not speakers.

So the 'prestige' brought to the school is only 'prestige' to a few very silly people who worry about things like that.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
72. 'The children'? Could you be any more condescending?
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:55 PM
Jun 2014

Those 'children' can fight and die for their country, they can get married, they'll be tried as adults in court if they commit crimes.

I think they can decide if they want a given speaker showing up on campus, or to protest extravagant speaker fees when they're getting slammed with tuition increases at the same time.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
85. Well your right
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jun 2014

They best start acting like adults TODAY. They cannot protest a private organization which is called the Foundation (every school as one) using the foundation money given by ALUMNI by the way. These students don't deserve to be at the school much less protesting a future President.

Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #85)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
161. No one is arguing they cant say it. The rest of your post is just as wrongheaded.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:36 PM
Jun 2014

Congrats for arguing against something that no one in this thread asserted. No one said anything about these folks not having free speech.

If you read the statement put out by the UNLV group that paid for her speaking appearance, her speaking allows the group to charge a lot of money for people to attend. The group raises money for booster projects from these speaking appearances.

So you are wrong and wrongheaded in absolutely everything you had to say in your post. Well done.

Omaha Steve

(99,073 posts)
64. I agree
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:26 PM
Jun 2014

Whomever agreed to pay the fee is my point. NOT the student body or facility. I'm fine with Hilary just backing away and letting them keep what some people think was "extortion $" on her part. SOMEBODY had to approve it on the school's end.

And somebody in administration had to feel it was worth the cost to make additional $$$

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
56. the foundation is paying it
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:44 PM
Jun 2014

presumably because they think it will bring in more money for them. People will pay $5,000 for a ticket to hear the next President of the US.

If they, instead, paid me $5,000 to give a speech, they would lose more than $200,000 in revenue compared to what they will make from this event.

Probably.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
68. There is no such thing as a ridiculous fee. Don't book people if you don't want to pay their fee.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:54 PM
Jun 2014

She was booked, they knew the fee up front, end of story.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
121. The students don't run the University. They don't pay for most of its operation
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 10:54 PM
Jun 2014

At a state university, most of it is paid for by tax dollars.

madinmaryland

(64,920 posts)
95. It's only a ridiculous fee if the university doesn't pay it. Talk to the university about why they
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:27 PM
Jun 2014

decided to pay her that much money.

BootinUp

(46,928 posts)
7. Many of these are young repukes that want attention
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jun 2014

treat them as you would a young Karl Rove, i.e. ignore it.

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
128. This^ So many RW tools here they just cant feign being progressive.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:46 PM
Jun 2014

Well, actually they can and do. Want to bash gun reform, brag about your gas guzzling toys, bemoan feminism and deny white privilege?

Welcome Home!

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
8. What stupid speech (I mean, let's face it, they're ALL just another speech) is
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jun 2014

worth nearly a 1/4 of a million bucks?

I might pay them a few bucks to shut the fuck up.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
62. And I'd be glad to give you a buck or two to add to yours.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:12 PM
Jun 2014

Of course, they are not really being paid for what they say, but rather for what they have done or will do someday very soon.

I mean, if Bill Clinton had opposed NAFTA, hassled Monsanto rather than promoted the company, and refused to sign off on the Bank Modernization Act that disemboweled Glass Steagal, I don't think he would even get a cold chicken dinner at a Rotary Convention.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
65. If Bill....
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:40 PM
Jun 2014

If he had done those good things for the people, he would never be bribed again? Not even a cold chicken dinner?

I do believe you are correct, truedelphi. But we'd all be so much better off. Bill got his reward. Not enough tho. Now he desires to be the world's first FMOTUS.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
87. A speech that allows you to raise 3 million is worth a quarter of a million. In fact a speech that
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jun 2014

allows you to raise half a million is worth a quarter of a million. Don't you think?

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
40. No question Hillary inspires young people - to demand that their tuition money not be wasted on exorbitant speaking fees, yes, that's true.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:09 PM
Jun 2014
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
53. No question Hillary inspires young people - to demand that their tuition money not be wasted on exor
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jun 2014

Their tuition........lol. Are they even learning anything at all at school?

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
55. Before you think I mean grammar....I don't
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:44 PM
Jun 2014

I mean not a penny came from the tuition. A shame that the children are so ignorant on how speaking engagements are done. Someday I hope they learn the process. How arrogant of them to think it came from their tuition. Sad future for the United States if these are who we are relying on.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
10. I think its reasonable request by the students
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jun 2014

UNLV student body President Elias Benjelloun said that he wants to see Clinton return part of all of the money to students.

“We really appreciate anybody who would come to raise money for the university. But anybody who’s being paid $225,000 to come speak, we think that’s a little bit outrageous,” said Daniel Waqar, the student government’s public relations.

Students appear to especially incensed due to their tuition fee going up 17 percent over 4 years.

The student leaders on Friday sent a letter to Hillary Clinton’s family foundation asking that she “do what is right” and donate all or part of her fee for addressing the UNLV Foundation back to the university for student benefit.

Clinton typically draws about $200,000 for speaking engagements to private companies, but some critics objected to charging an education institution.

The letter, addressed to the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation in New York, was written on behalf of 23,000 undergraduate UNLV students, represented by Student Body President Elias Benjelloun, who co-signed the letter

They also want to get wifi for the campus.

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
109. They don't have wifi at that school?
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:40 PM
Jun 2014

The Foundation is paying that much money for a speaker and the school doesn't have wifi. That fucking sucks!

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
12. she's donating it to charity
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:33 PM
Jun 2014

tweeted by Eric Boehlert ?@EricBoehlert 3h

Raise yr hand if you knew Hillary's UNLV speaking fee is going to CHARITY. of course you didn't; doesn't fit the press narrative.

Tommy Vietor ?@TVietor08 1h
UNLV statement on HRC's speech: "The speaking fee...will be entirely given as a donation to the...Clinton Foundation" http://news.unlv.edu/announcement/unlv-foundation-annual-dinner-statement

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
27. just a few of the 'wasteful, vanity projects'
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:50 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative/

Initiatives

Alliance for a Healthier Generation

The Alliance for a Healthier Generation, founded by the American Heart Association and the Clinton Foundation, works to reduce the prevalence of childhood obesity and to empower kids to develop lifelong, healthy habits.


Clinton Climate Initiative

Building on President Clinton’s longstanding commitment to the environment, the Clinton Climate Initiative (CCI) implements programs that create and advance solutions to the root causes of climate change – while also helping to reduce our reliance on oil, saving money for individuals and …


Clinton Development Initiative

Today, despite billions of dollars in foreign assistance, the majority of Africans still lack access to basic, life-sustaining necessities including food and health care.

Clinton Foundation in Haiti

Since 2010, the Clinton Foundation has raised a total of $34 million for Haiti, including relief funds as well as projects focused on supporting Haiti’s small and medium businesses, improving livelihoods, enhancing education and exploring the nexus of agriculture, energy and environment.

Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership

The Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership takes the best of non-profit and for-profit organizations to create social enterprises that provide new economic opportunities for underserved communities.

Clinton Global Initiative

To date, CGI members have made more than 2,500 commitments, which are already improving the lives of more than 430 million people in over 180 countries. When fully funded and implemented, these commitments will be valued at $88 billion.

Clinton Health Access Initiative

In 2002, the Clinton Health Access Initiative (CHAI) began as the Clinton HIV/AIDS Initiative to address the HIV/AIDS crisis in the developing world and strengthen health systems there.

Clinton Health Matters Initiative

The Clinton Health Matters Initiative (CHMI) works to improve the health and wellbeing of all people by activating individuals, communities, and organizations to make meaningful contributions to the health of others.

Too Small to Fail

Too Small to Fail aims to help parents and businesses take meaningful actions to improve the health and well-being of children ages zero to five, so that more of America’s children are prepared to succeed in the 21st century.

No Ceilings:

The Full Participation Project is an effort led by Hillary Rodham Clinton at the Clinton Foundation to bring together partner organizations to evaluate and share the progress women and girls have made in the 20 years since the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing. This new effort will help chart the path forward to accelerate full participation for women and girls in the 21st century. The full participation of women and girls is critical to global progress, development, and security. - See more at: http://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/no-ceilings-full-participation-project#sthash.nK2Y7vRx.dpuf

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
38. Clinton family at it again . . . typical of them
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:08 PM
Jun 2014

a post of mine from a while back . . .

__________________

From July 31 to August 8, President Bill Clinton and Chelsea Clinton are visiting Clinton Foundation projects in Malawi, Zambia, Tanzania, Rwanda, and South Africa. Follow their journey Facebook, on https://twitter.com/ClintonFdn and on http://instagram.com/clintonfoundation.


Bill Clinton ?@billclinton 31 Jul
Just touched down in Africa with @ChelseaClinton. Excited to travel for next 10 days to @ClintonFdn projects. #Africa2013

Chelsea Clinton ?@ChelseaClinton 31 Jul
Excited to be in Malawi with @billclinton! #Africa2013

CGI ?@ClintonGlobal 31 Jul
President @BillClinton & @ChelseaClinton travel throughout Africa over the next week: http://cgilink.org/afr2013 #Africa2013



Clinton Foundation
23 hours ago

Yesterday, President Bill Clinton visited Barclays Clinton Global Initiative commitment, Banking on Change, in Ukonga Ward, Tanzania where he met with community members who have benefited from the program. President Clinton also met with Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete, where they discussed the Clinton Foundation's work with the government of Tanzania, and increasing opportunity for local farmers through the Foundation's programs.

Today, President Clinton and Chelsea will travel to Zanzibar and learn how the Clinton Health Access Initiative is increasing awareness for malaria testing and visit with Zapha+. ‪#?Africa2013‬

Read more: http://wjcf.co/16lu9vc





Clinton Foundation shared Clinton Foundation's photo.
Yesterday

On August 3, 2013, President Clinton visits with Zainabu Rashid, the owner of a local beauty salon in Tanzania, and sees how she has been able to expand her business through Barclays CGI Banking on Change commitment. Banking on Change promotes savings-led community finance; community members work together in self-governing groups to save regularly and access small loans from a group fund.

Photo credit: Max Orenstein / Clinton Foundation





On August 3, 2013, President Clinton walks with community members who participate in Barclays CGI Commitment Banking on Change to see how they've benefitted through the program. The project is a microfinance partnership between Barclays and two charities, Plan UK and CARE International UK, that uses a community-led savings model to help people in underserved regions of the world manage their money, access loans, start or expand small businesses, and develop innovative banking products.





Chelsea Clinton shares her thoughts on our blog about her visit with Community Health Assistants yesterday in Zambia. http://wjcf.co/1b2fGXY ‪#?Africa2013‬





Clinton Foundation
August 1

President Clinton and Chelsea learn Climate Smart Agriculture farming techniques today while visiting our Anchor Farm Project in Malawi. ‪#?Africa2013‬





The Clinton Foundation runs the Anchor Farm Project in Malawi, which operates five commercial farms that partners with 21,000 neighboring smallholder farmers, providing them with access to quality inputs for maize and soy production as well as training and market access.





Clinton Foundation
July 31

President Bill Clinton reflects on Africa's progress since his first visit to the continent in 1998 and shares stories of how our work is improving
lives today. ‪#?Africa2013‬

Read the story: http://wjcf.co/12GAUL9





How One Community Health Assistant Impacts A Village

Today while in Zambia, President Clinton and Chelsea met Benny Siinyisa, a Community Health Assistant, who is one of two people providing care for a rural community of 6,000 people. Clinton Health Access Initiative Human Resources for Health Program Manager Emily Heneghan Kasoma shares with us what it is like for Benny and other Community Health Assistants to provide care to some of the most rural communities in Zambia.

read more: http://www.clintonfoundation.org/main/clinton-foundation-blog.html/2013/08/02/how-one-community-health-assistant-impacts-a-village/





President Bill Clinton and Malawian President Joyce Banda greet people outside of Kamuzu Central Hospital in Lilongwe, Malawi on August 1, 2013. President Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, and President Banda toured the Clinton Health Access Initiative (CHAI) clinic at the hospital, which is providing HIV testing and treatment including Point-of-Care Testing and Early Infant Diagnosis and Treatment.





Following a tour of the Kamuzu Central Hospital in Lilongwe, Malawi, President Bill Clinton and Chelsea Clinton meet with expert clients on August 1, 2013. Expert clients are HIV-positive patients who use their experiences to teach others in their community who are recently-diagnosed with HIV how to care for themselves and for their children. Through the Clinton Health Access Initiative's Prevention of Mother to Child Transmission program, these expert clients' children are HIV-negative.





President Clinton and Chelsea visit the Manyemunyemu Clinic, a health post for Community Health Assistants, in Sialwiindi, Zambia on August 2, 2013. The Health Post is a key part of Zambia’s National Community Health Assistant Strategy, in which all of the country’s existing and planned new health posts will be staffed by Community Health Assistants. Over the next five years, the Clinton Health Access Initiative, with financial assistance from DFID, will support the training of approximately 3,000 Community Health Assistants, totaling about 60% of the total government target of 5,000.

Photo credit: Barbara Kinney / Clinton Foundation





Yesterday in Zambia, President Bill Clinton and Chelsea Clinton visited a health clinic in the Sialwiindi village with Community Health Assistants, who are trained through the Clinton Health Access Initiative and bring health care to some of the most remote communities in Zambia. Later, President Clinton and the delegation visited the Starkey Hearing Foundation, a Clinton Global Initiative commitment maker that is providing hearing-impaired children with hearing aids. Today, President Clinton and Chelsea will be in Tanzania visiting a CGI commitment.

Read our Day 2 recap: http://wjcf.co/14qoW9z





President Clinton and Chelsea Clinton participate in helping the Community Health Assistant give a baby a check-up at the Manyemunyemu health post in Sialwiindi, Zambia on August 2, 2013. The Manyemunyemu health post is a newly built but unfinished structure, where health services have been provided for the past year. The population this health facility serves is over 3,000 people. The two-room health post provides maternal and child health services, administration of vaccines, treatment for non-severe malaria, respiratory infections, & diarrhea, as well as a range of other basic health services to the community.

Photo credit: Barbara Kinney / Clinton Foundation












President Bill Clinton visits Victoria Falls at sunset. ‪#?Africa2013‬





more photos: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.412935458827901.1073741830.389051904549590&type=1&l=dd2239fae2
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
42. I wonder if he made them carry his bags
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:25 PM
Jun 2014
Tim Russert told me that, according to his sources, Bill Clinton, in an effort to secure an endorsement for Hillary from Ted Kennedy, said to Kennedy, “A few years ago, this guy (Obama) would have been carrying our bags.”

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/09/10/120910fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all


fake fake fake

Response to LittleBlue (Reply #42)

Arkansas Granny

(31,483 posts)
61. That's a remarkable list. Don't expect it to change the Clinton hatred
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:08 PM
Jun 2014

that is seen on this site.

If Hillary is, in fact, our 2016 nominee, I predict as many exploding heads on DU as on FR.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
104. Your entire post is incredibly offensive and you should consider deleting it
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:47 PM
Jun 2014

I don't alert on posts but if I did yours would be one of them. It insults every person of color.

Look up "White Savior Syndrome" and educate yourself.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
74. It was a bullshit expose.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jun 2014

The Clinton Foundation, recently renamed the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation, was the subject of an August 13 Times report which speculated the non-profit was experiencing "unease" over financial and management issues. The paper noted that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her staff will soon move into the Foundation's Manhattan headquarters, and questioned the capabilities of senior Foundation employees. The Times also asserted that the Foundation "ran multimillion-dollar deficits for several years, despite vast amounts of money flowing in." As purported evidence, the paper claimed the charity ran a $40 million deficit in 2007 and 2008 and an $8 million deficit in 2012, citing tax returns.

But the Foundation corrected the record today in a letter from former President Bill Clinton. He explained that the Times failed to provide the context and facts essential to its story and misconstrued the Foundation's basic accounting according to the law, casting a shadow based on a false premise. That is because the IRS requires tax-exempt organizations such as the Foundation to report multi-year financial commitments occurring in the year the commitment was made. So in 2005 and 2006, the Foundation reported a surplus exceeding one hundred million dollars. In subsequent years, that money is reported as spending, but not cash inflow. Clinton also pointed out the difficult reality all non-profits face fundraising during a recession.

The Times was also incorrect in its assessment of 2012 deficits, Clinton stated. The paper relied on unaudited numbers from the 2012 annual report, but audited financials will reveal a surplus.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/08/16/president-clinton-refutes-ny-times-errors-in-fo/195451

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
71. I didn't know that.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:55 PM
Jun 2014

Then again, the CDS here is as strong as on any RW site.

Thanks for the clarification.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
76. yep, Beacool
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 04:02 PM
Jun 2014
The speaking fee, which, per the original agreement, will be entirely given as a donation to the non-profit Clinton Foundation, comes from donors’ private contributions for this event.

http://news.unlv.edu/announcement/unlv-foundation-annual-dinner-statement

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
82. Then what is the FREAKING problem?????????
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 04:11 PM
Jun 2014

The RW does it on purpose because their base loves to trash the Clintons. DU should know better.

Then again, I come to expect the same crap here that I see on any RW site.



BTW, I had come here to see if anyone was discussing the Brazil - Chile game. Instead, I'm arguing with the same crowd over the same topic. This place is just too much...........

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
13. Robbing a public university of $225k
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jun 2014

Hiking tuition to pay Hillary her fee. No doubt from cronies who sit on the UNLV board.

Classy

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
17. No, I'm not kidding
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:39 PM
Jun 2014

Excessive speaking fees are disgusting. It's influence buying.

Why should money be taken away from students to pay her fee?

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
16. Oh, for fuck's sake...
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jun 2014

She a keynote speaker at a fund-raiser. The fee they're paying her comes directly out of the donations being raised -- mostly by people coming to see her. It has no effect on tuition at UNLV.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
21. The article says it best
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jun 2014
“We really appreciate anybody who would come to raise money for the university. But anybody who’s being paid $225,000 to come speak, we think that’s a little bit outrageous,” said Daniel Waqar, the student government’s public relations.

Students appear to especially incensed due to their tuition fee going up 17 percent over 4 years.


Disgusting

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
28. Oh, for fucks sake (Part II)
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:50 PM
Jun 2014

Clinton's speaking fee is coming out of the funds being raised at the event where she's speaking. She's not being paid by student tuition. What fucking part of that is so hard to understand?

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
147. It's not like UNLV can just magic up an extra quarter million dollars
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jun 2014

That money came from somewhere, and it's reasonable to assume that tuition fees will either pay directly for it, or backfill the account where the funds came from.

And students bitch about speaking fees all the time. It's not surprising that this is an issue.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
172. No. That's not reasonable at all...
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jun 2014

UNLV has a Foundation. The Foundation is not funded by tuition and fees (disbursements from the Foundation actually decrease tuition and fees).

Clinton's speaking fees are paid from the revenues raised at the event. They are not paid by tuition and fees.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
77. Is it too much to ask to become informed before typing?
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 04:05 PM
Jun 2014

1) The fee is paid by private funds

2) It's going to charity

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
160. They take an article that has half of the fast as if it's written in stone,
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:35 PM
Jun 2014

but choose to ignore all the DUers who are clarifying the provenance of the fee and where the money is going, because it doesn't fit their preconceived notion of Hillary.

Why bother pretending to be a Democratic site when RW talking points are treated as fact?

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
86. It is impossible to believe that some people are having such a hard time grasping where the money
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 04:26 PM
Jun 2014

came from.......it is a sad commentary on society when folks LITERALLY believe that the students are paying the fee........sad day! The Alumni are paying the fee through the foundation which has nothing to do with any finances with the school. No wonder our country is so bad off that when supposed intelligent people can't even understand. Sad day in America!!!!

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
25. So
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jun 2014

The Clinton foundation is nonprofit so that would probably make this a deduction on the University's taxes.


And raising the tuition is on the University not Ms. Clinton.

Goddamnit.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
26. I think it has more to do with the cost of tuition
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jun 2014

Which is going up 17% at UNLV than it does about it being a woman.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/jun/06/over-student-objections-tuition-unlv-going-17-perc/

Nevada’s higher education leaders today approved a four-year plan to raise undergraduate tuition at UNLV by 17 percent.


The 13-member Board of Regents voted 7-6 to pass the tuition hike over student concerns about the skyrocketing cost of higher education.

Starting in fall 2015, UNLV’s tuition will go up about four percent annually for four years. That means by 2018, students will pay $6,720 a year, up from $5,745 a year currently.


Since the two things were announced at the same time, I think that in the students minds at least, they are linked. "We're charging you more money, and by the way we're proud to announce that Former Secretary of State Clinton who is a Presidential Hopeful for 2016 has agreed to speak here at the UNLV campus for the low low price of $225,000."

I think that the students are objecting to the fact that they have to pay more to get an education, a lot more, while Secretary Clinton is going to be making a quarter of a million dollars for a couple hours of chatting with the students.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
32. $6720 per year?
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jun 2014

According to the College Board, the average public school tuition is $8893.

If I were a UNLV student, I'd be crapping myself with joy.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
44. That shows how out touch
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jun 2014

you Clinton supporters are. We're suppose to celebrate because we are overcharged less at one University than an other. Very similar to how you pressure us into voting for Clinton and other neolibs.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
69. i have no friggin' clue what you're talking about
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:54 PM
Jun 2014

UNLV is one of the most affordable schools in the country. Not to mention the fact that this increase has been under consideration for nearly a year -- long before Hillary was booked as a speaker -- and that the Regents have itemized where the revenue from the increase will go (SPOILER ALERT: None of it's going to Hillary Clinton).

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
52. 17% increase
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jun 2014

That is significantly higher than the cost of living increase. Now, most people accept that prices go up, but by double digits? The students aren't happy about it. If the costs had gone up five percent, the students probably would have grumbled but accepted it as normal inflation. But three times that amount of increase is going to cause some real distress in the minds of the people.

I still think the two are linked, and the announced increase has far more to do with the objection of speaking fees than the gender of the speaker.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
66. Oh, for fuck's sake (Part 3)
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jun 2014

Here's how it works.

UNLV Advancement Office plans Gala Fundraiser. Searches for big-name speakers and decides to recruit Hillary Clinton.

Upon receiving invitation (and probably calls from politico's in Nevada urging her participation), Hillary Clinton says, "Yes, I'd be delighted to speak at your gala fundraiser."

The Advancement Office at UNLV sends out invitations to all of their well-heeled alumni and other friends of the University to the effect that "Hillary Clinton is coming to town and all the cool kids will be there."

Alumni and others start writing checks to UNLV. We'll call this "Income."

UNLV writes check to Hillary Clinton, to the caterer, and others. We'll call this "Expenses."

Balance of Income - Expenses = Increase to the UNLV Foundation.

It has NO EFFECT on student tuition. The two are not related.

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
130. When someone says, "I still think X" after "X" has been
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:34 AM
Jun 2014
repeatedly show to be false, then that person s doing exactly what we complain about the RW doing: ignoring facts and remaining in a bubble filled with lies and distortions that they refuse to let go of no matter how often those lies and distortions are debunked.

Birthers will say, despite being show the birth certificate, "I still think it's a forgery and he isn't a citizen."

Despite overwhelming evidence of human-caused climate change, deniers say, "I still think it's all a hoax."

Despite all the evidence that Obama is a centrist whose policies and appointments in general lean center-right, the RW will insist, "I still think he is a socialist."

Despite all the evidence that proves Obama is intelligent and well-eduated, speaks well off the top of his head, and uses teleprompters only for long, prepared speeches (just as all other presidents and political figures do--including those who mock him for using a teleprompter!), RWers will still insist that he uses a teleprompter because he is stupid and ignorant and can't speak without one.
 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
29. The rethugs are trying to deny her the only chance to escape grinding, generational poverty
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:50 PM
Jun 2014

What difference would $225,000 make in your life? Maybe she will be able to give her family meat more than once a week. Maybe she will not have to sell her plasma. Maybe fewer predawn walks going through her neighbors garbage looking for aluminum cans.

Fuck them.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
33. What incredible generosity!
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:01 PM
Jun 2014

Imagine you had nothing and all of a sudden an incredible windfall befalls you. Yet, she thinks of others first. The long days on the Greyhound from Chappaqua to Las Vegas, gazing longing as other passengers eat a sandwich and chips, yet taking nothing for herself.

Every student needs to hear this story.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
31. 2 questions. Would UNLY pay some other speaker $225K? Did Hillary give a speech there?
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:55 PM
Jun 2014

If yes to both of those, there's nothing to argue about. There was a price offered and a product delivered.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
35. Bill himself recently took in $500K for a speaking big
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:04 PM
Jun 2014

I've read that Colin Powell typically pulls in $200K. I was organizing a professional meeting a few years back and was stunned at speaking fees. Even a minor celebrity will cost you $50K - and some of these were people I'd never heard of.

36. The problem is an issue bigger than than Hillary.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jun 2014

True Hillary is getting a ridiculous amount for a speech. But this has happened with many speakers. The problem is, tuition is insane. Young adults are getting screwed. Something needs to be done about that. The fact that one person is getting paid more than most people make in 5 years, for just one speech, just shows how much the imbalance of wealth is. That's what the issue is. If I were Hillary, I'd personally deny the money, or donate it to student's tuition.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
39. We have speakers tours that come here and I'd pay money to listen to some people
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:08 PM
Jun 2014

It's the same way I've paid for concerts. The problem should be that universities are paying these speakers at all. Some celebrities would be honored to give a speech at certain universities. I think it should be pro bono work plus expenses.

But if there was a deal and the school pays other people, Hillary shouldn't give the money back

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
47. Gotta start somewhere
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:33 PM
Jun 2014

and this coincides with a bad event, so it is the best opportunity to strike while the irons hot.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
57. In many parts of this country 225K will get you nice house.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:45 PM
Jun 2014

Nice pay for a few hours work if you can get it.

What can Hillary (or anyone else) have to say that is so important? I think the students are right to be pissed.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
59. These are the same Republicans who are suing Obama for trying to work.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jun 2014

All famous people are paid to speak. I'll bet Kissinger gets paid to speak--and he's a war criminal. I'll bet W. gets paid to speak--and he's a Village Idiot.

The GOP is scared that Hillary appeals to the "common man." Their new Big Lie is "Hillary is an out of touch prima dono."

elfin

(6,262 posts)
60. She signed up with a speaker's agency
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:58 PM
Jun 2014

They may have made the arrangements. Nevertheless, when she saw it was for a university, she should have had them re-negotiate. Speaker agencies don't like to put someone under contract and then have them change the conditions to make less money for the agency's cut.

I used to work with such agencies in scheduling speakers. the most we ever paid was $8000, so WAY out of Hillary's league. Terms can be maddening for the booking group.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
63. Eeks! Hillary's name next to $$$ signs in a headline. It's the attack of GOP spin!
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jun 2014

And it is only 2014. Imagine how bad it will be in 2016.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
70. I think that they should take it up with the administrators of their university, not the speaker.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 03:54 PM
Jun 2014

Whether it be Hillary or anyone else. BTW, it appears that her fee is being paid by private funds, not the university.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
81. The students don't understand that the foundation is paying Hillary's fee
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 04:08 PM
Jun 2014

The foundation has nothing to do with their tuition increase.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
90. Well, that's what the Republicans are saying (well, not about members of their own party who also
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jun 2014

command high speaking fees).

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
103. It Is Shameful That A Supposed Aspirant For The Presidency Does Not Volunteer Her Experience For Free
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:42 PM
Jun 2014

eom

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
131. cantbeserious--FYI, the purpose of "eom" is as a courtesy to warn readers that
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:39 AM
Jun 2014
there is no message beyond the subject line, so that they will not waste time clicking to read an empty message box. Putting "nt" or "eom" in the message box instead of in the subject line defeats that purpose, since the readers must click the message open to discover that there is no message, and once they have done that, the absence of a message is self-evident and does not need to be explicitly stated.

NYC Liberal

(20,132 posts)
140. She has given PLENTY of speeches for free. And all of the money went to the Clinton Foundation,
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 11:37 AM
Jun 2014

not to her private bank account.

NYC Liberal

(20,132 posts)
145. The speeches that were given for free at other organizations obviously didn't
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 11:44 AM
Jun 2014

have any fees to go to a foundation.

And for the ones where there was a fee, many times that fee went to the Clinton Foundation.

Btw, these places don't pay for speakers expecting nothing in return. They pay the fee because they expect to raise even more money from the event. If they didn't think they'd get anything out of it, they wouldn't be paying the fee.

NYC Liberal

(20,132 posts)
151. No, not "duplicity all around". A lot of money raised for charity.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jun 2014

But because it's Hillary, that's a bad thing.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
91. Oh bullshit
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 05:32 PM
Jun 2014

She's trading on the public offices she's held, just like relatives of banana republic dictators. She's not being paid to speak, she's being paid so that the donors can make introductions after the speech. This is networking for a fee. It's corrupt as hell and I don't see a point in making her and her $100 million a victim.

And, because someone will or has already said it, the fact that "everybody does it" doesn't make it any less corrupt.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
116. Seriously, it's not like anyone hangs on her every word quoting words of wisdom that will make a bit of difference in the lives of people (other than bankers).
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jun 2014

Rolo

(27 posts)
92. Kid Just Wants Publicity
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jun 2014

The person asking for some of the money back is student body President Elias Benjelloun, a student. Obviously he has no idea how the real world works. Once a fee has been agreed upon & a contract has been signed, both parties must honor it. As a 3rd party, he has no say. If he has a problem with the fees that the school offers their speakers, discuss it with the school, not the speaker.

Response to warrior1 (Original post)

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
102. Did you bother to read the comments from other DUers?
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:41 PM
Jun 2014

Several people posted that the fee was paid by private funds and that it's going to charity.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
118. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 10:48 PM
Jun 2014

No, it doesn't.

Multiple people have said this on this thread. The UNLV Foundation gets contributions from alumni and businesses and brings in speakers. No student money is being used.

The raise in tuition for UNLV (and for other colleges in the state) is because the Board of Regents who oversee the Nevada System of Higher Education are a corrupt and self-promoting bunch who are more interested in building new stadiums and increasing the number of administrators and overpaying coaches and college presidents than in trying to provide a good and affordable education for students.

Any student who thinks that they will have to pay more in tuition because Hilary has been brought in to speak there is a moron who should not be in college.

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
133. No, it does not. Does not. Does not. The fee is paid by *private donations*,
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:49 AM
Jun 2014

and the purpose of the speech is to raise funds, so once her fee is paid, the foundation will end up with a lot of extra money, raised through the fees that people paid to attend the speech. She is helping the foundation to raise money; she is donating her fee to the Clinton family's charitable foundation, which is involved in a lot of genuinely beneficial efforts in a lot of places around the world.

The UNLV students are not contributing any money to her fee. The fee she is being paid has no effect at all on their tuition; it has no connection of any sort to their tuition.

By the way, the money I earn for my job also does not affect the tuition of the students at the UNLV--and I also would refuse to give my salary to the UNLV students because they are suffering from a tuition hike. (Heck, unlike Clinton, I am not even donating my earnings to charity but keeping them for my own use! I'm so ashamed.)

And although any money you earn for your work is also unrelated to the tuition the UNLV students are paying, you probably should go ahead and donate your earnings to them anyway, since that would be consistent with your stance on this issue.

herding cats

(19,549 posts)
106. It seems like they should be upset with their university if they were being honest.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 07:54 PM
Jun 2014

Wouldn't one think?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
107. The fee was not from the University, it was from the UNLV Foundation, two totally
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:14 PM
Jun 2014

Different things. Perhaps it would clear up the confusion if the thread was corrected to UNLV Foundation. The foundation should be free to hire who they want.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
111. Also, the fee is being donated to charity.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 09:12 PM
Jun 2014

Speaking of tone deaf......

It appears that no matter how many people are clarifying that 1) the university did not pay the fee and 2) that she's donating it to charity; the CDS crowd still has to tsk, tsk and make snide comments.


Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
112. She an do as she pleases, she does have a generous heart.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 09:19 PM
Jun 2014

It would be nice to see the correction in the thread title.

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
134. I wonder how many of them are planning to donate all their own earnings to the
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:54 AM
Jun 2014

UNLV students to help offset that tuition hike.

After all, the money every poster here on this thread earns has as much to do with the UNLV students' tuition hike as HRC's speaking fee does, and they are not even donating their earnings to charity, so they really should, if they want to be consistent, donate every cent they earn to the UNLV students.

Do you think they will do that?

NYC Liberal

(20,132 posts)
144. And she's also done many speeches for free.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jun 2014
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/hillary-clinton-dozens-of-free-speeches-2014-6

“She’s given dozens of speeches for free. From Helen Keller International to Save the Children to Conservation International, she’s continued to champion the same causes she has for years,” they wrote.

In addition to these organisations, the aide said Clinton made free speeches for CURE, Vital Voices, Women in the World, Women for Women, International Crisis Group, the Wildlife Conservation Society, CARE, Elton John’s AIDS foundation, the Chicago House, and the New America Foundation, among others.

“No one is arguing that she isn’t earning income from speeches, but she’s also giving many speeches for free, and more than a dozen of the speaking fees went to support the foundation,” wrote the aide.


But it's Hillary, so we have to be OUTRAGED!!!1

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
163. Yeah, it's one of many fake scandals.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:38 PM
Jun 2014

They must cull RW sites and FOX to come up with any negative article on the Clintons. Even Chelsea gets trashed around here.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
115. "The speaking fee...comes from donors’ private contributions for this event."
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 10:13 PM
Jun 2014

Not a penny of UNLV $$$ has been applied to the speaking fee. No school funds, no student monies.

I've got reservations about Hillary, but this manufactured "issue" isn't one of them.

http://news.unlv.edu/announcement/unlv-foundation-annual-dinner-statement

"...The speaking fee, which, per the original agreement, will be entirely given as a donation to the non-profit Clinton Foundation, comes from donors’ private contributions for this event..."

bluedigger

(17,077 posts)
119. Riddle me this.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 10:49 PM
Jun 2014

Why does the media conflate the source of her funding and the students' tuition increase when they are unrelated?

And why do people who should know better propagate the fallacy?

If I didn't know better, I'd think they had an agenda.

And no, I do not support HRC for 2016. But I do support her right to charge what the market will bear for her services. Just like anyone else.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
120. Because the people paying her fee
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 10:52 PM
Jun 2014

are clearly affiliated with unlv, and because such boosters are promoting austerity for the actual students, but have big pockets for elite speakers, and because her husband Bill and other neolibs helped create most of America's economic problems by repealing Glass Steagall and signing Nafta.

bluedigger

(17,077 posts)
122. Then they should be protesting those people, not HRC.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 10:58 PM
Jun 2014

This is a real through the rabbit hole exercise. Smearing a Democrat for following libertarian principles instead of socialism.

bluedigger

(17,077 posts)
127. Excellent rebuttal.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:34 PM
Jun 2014

The n/t goes in the title line, btw. So I don't need to open the message for your erudite wisdom and all.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
143. Your proof that they are "promoting austerity" for students?
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 11:40 AM
Jun 2014

The Foundation is always calling me for donations and I promise you they never mention austerity for students...so please provide a link or I'll assume this is random Hillary bashing that lacks any basis in facts.

Seriously, if you want to criticize her policies go ahead, but buying into Repub rhetoric is very sad.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
171. The tuition is being raised 12%
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jun 2014

Bill and Hillary have accepted large parts of republican rhetoric by emphasizing social security privatization, balanced budgets, and bailouts for Wallstreet, not the mention the Iraq war, the Syria war, and the Honduran Coup. She is not the nominee, and I don't support her candidacy. I want a better candidate, like Warren and I am disgusted by your attempts to anoint her Queen. She is too conservative for me, and I don't like neoliberal economic policies or her neoconservative foreign policy. I am not suprised she has no conscience about taking money from University administrators while they squash middle and lower class students with debt.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
173. Seriously, what part of 'this fee has nothing to do with student tuition'
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 01:40 PM
Jun 2014

do you not get? Did you read my post? The raise in tuition has nothing to do with how the Foundation spends its money, it's all on the Board of Regents for the state of Nevada.

Again, if you want to criticize Hilary feel free, but using Republican disinformation to do so on a Democratic board, after you have been explicitly told it is not true, is dishonest.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
174. Like this foundation has no influence over the regents decisions.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jun 2014

That is pretty unbelievable! They are generally powerful people, who can afford 250,000 dollar speaking fees, yet they say nothing, and offer no words to support these students, and don't denounce the regents in anyway. At the very least they reflect a bubble mentality where they are above practical considerations. Anyone who affiliates with such people deserves to have their baloon popped. If the democratic party doesn't address the needs of real people it has outlived its purpose.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
175. No they do not.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jun 2014

Seriously, if this really matters to you do some research into how college foundations get their money and also what sort of pressure NSHE does bow to - hint, it's generally the legislature.

UNLV pays its basketball coach $400,000 per year including deals with media and shoe vendors; the head football coach makes $700,000. This IS money that that comes from student fees, so if you want to be outraged point your outrage in the right direction.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
176. If you take the time to eyeball just who sits on the board of directors at
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 03:02 PM
Jun 2014

Major universities, and who gets speaking gigs, well, it is eye opening.

For instance, for years good ol' Richard Blum (Senator Di Fi's hubby) had a spot at Univ of Calif. board of directors. (Maybe it is called the "regents," rather than board of directors.) IIRC, he retired in 2012 or 2013, right after the pension plan for a person holding such a position was increased significantly! Meanwhile, tuition was also increased significantly.

If you honestly don't think that there is a direct relationship between things that individuals who are on such boards may want and which particular politicians are invited -- many of whom are able to influence various contracts, bidding situations and also legislation, well, then there is a bridge in Brooklyn you might consider bidding on.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
179. That may be true in California,
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 04:40 PM
Jun 2014

but trust me, if the Board of Regents in Nevada had input into a decision like this, it would not be Hilary Clinton or any Democrat; not all of them are conservatives, but a majority.

I don't disagree that it's reasonable to not be happy with a particular speaker, but the person I was responding to (and some others on this thread) keep insisting that the fee the Foundation is paying Hilary comes out of the pockets of students and it does not. If anyone wants to get outraged about how UNLV or any other school spends money it gets from tuition I suggest they look at the salaries of administrators (the former UNLV president was making $427,000 when he left) or coaches; look at how student fees have been raised to pay for flashy fitness centers and student unions and upscale dorms to lure in more students...these are the true money suckers, things that jack up tuition and fees.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
159. It's simple.The media does it to cause fake conflict.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:33 PM
Jun 2014

They built Hillary up with their insistence that she is inevitable. Then they bring her down saying that she's not so inevitable after all. In the meantime, she hasn't declared her candidacy and is conducting her life as a private citizen as she sees fit.

The DU crowd that propagate the media's constant fake drama are the ones who don't want Hillary as the Democratic nominee. So it doesn't matter to them if some of their comments are RW talking points. They spread the manure around because they don't like her. It's easier to trash someone one doesn't like than someone one admires. For example, The Clintons have made money since they left the WH, but they didn't have much to speak when they got there. Liz Warren had already amasses almost $15M before she even got into the Senate. Of course that doesn't bother those who like her, it's only the Clintons who are evil for making money.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
132. Here's my 2 cent on this...
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:40 AM
Jun 2014

Inherently there's nothing wrong with Hillary giving this speech and accepting a large fee for it, especially since the net benefit will be for the university.

That being said, if you want to run for the most powerful office in a country with a massive income inequality problem, you might want to consider not acquiring gigantic sums of money either for yourself or for your foundation. Doing so is not a dis-qualifier by any means, but if you're going to have more appeal if you turn down opportunities to make yourself rich.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
150. All that hokey "we were dead broke!" and "I tried to care about money--but couldn't!"
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 11:50 AM
Jun 2014

talk is blowing up in Hillary's face. What an inept politician!

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
158. Nope, and nobody else believed it, either. So why did she say it?
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jun 2014

And it was a full blitz, with Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea all making clumsy, tone-deaf statements highlighting their wealth and privilege, all in the same week?

Um, new PR firm, anybody?

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
164. No, she was just stating a fact, but leave it to the vultures to pounce on it.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:42 PM
Jun 2014

If you owe $12M and you don't even have a third of it, then you are broke. Of course they had the ability to make that money 10 times over after leaving the WH, but the fact remains that all the legal bills from the RW witch hunt that was Whitewater left them in a hole. Maybe she should have just bit her tongue because being candid doesn't pay in politics.

They then wonder why she's so careful with the media..........

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
165. It's a losing argument. Nobody is sympathetic to the "Poor lil' Hillary" routine.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jun 2014

It just shows an embarrassing lack of political acumen for her to go on this whole "awe shucks!" political tour in some sort of clumsy attempt at showing herself to be a woman of the people.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
167. See, that's where you assessment is wrong.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 01:01 PM
Jun 2014

She's on a book tour, not a political tour, just like any other author is required by their publisher. Of course, this being Hillary, her tour has attracted a lot of media attention. We'll see how she does if she does choose to run and goes out on a real political tour. Although I'm not worried, her so called "gaffes" have been minor. She'll get into the swing of things.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
168. If you think Hillary had a good week, well...
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 01:04 PM
Jun 2014

It doesn't help your candidate by insisting her nudity is fine clothing. It just doesn't.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
169. I didn't say that she had a good week.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 01:05 PM
Jun 2014

I said that her gaffes are minor. Who is going to remember them or care in 2016?

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
170. Right. Just like 2008 primary voters forgot her pro-outsourcing speeches made while
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 01:15 PM
Jun 2014

she was a Senator. Um, right?

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
178. She should be taking that money from Fox News instead
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jun 2014

like Dennis Kucinich. Then apparently she'd be pure enough. How many here went on and on about how poor Dennis Kucinich needed that money from Fox? The irony is so thick you couldn't cut through it with a chainsaw.

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