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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:08 PM Jun 2014

Al-Sisi’s Egypt Is Worse For Gays Than The Muslim Brotherhood

Bel Trew

President Sisi, already infamous for his crackdowns on dissidents and the press, is now going after the LGBT community.


CAIRO, Egypt — The party at a villa in a western suburb of Cairo was in full swing when three armored police trucks quietly pulled up to the main gate. More than 300 men and women from the gay community had gathered in Kerdassa on the same day, November 4, that former President Mohamed Morsi of the puritanical Muslim Brotherhood first appeared in court. They wanted to party hard and forget the escalating violence that had left hundreds dead and was ripping the country apart.
Without any warning, dozens of black-clad riot police armed with rifles and metal sticks stormed the garden. Terrified people scattered and tried to hide, remembers Ahmed, a gay Cairene in his twenties who is now a fugitive: “They had so many weapons, they had clearly been some serious preparation. They hit everyone they could.”

Police bundled Ahmed into a truck and took him to a station in the satellite city west of Cairo known as 6 October. Together with nine others he was stripped naked and subjected to humiliating “anal tests,” then put on trial. After just one court session nine of the ten defendants were found guilty of debauchery and sexual deviance and handed between three- and eight-year jail terms. Only one, the female owner of the venue, was acquitted.

Ahmed, released on bail, managed to avoid being in court for the verdict and is now “travelling” constantly to avoid re-arrest. Outcast by his family, fired from his job and on the run, he says his life is in pieces.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/27/egypt-targets-gays.html
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Al-Sisi’s Egypt Is Worse For Gays Than The Muslim Brotherhood (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2014 OP
While 1 million+ people celebrate Pride in my City tomorrow -- Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2014 #1
Just horrible theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #2
Ironically, this is the army-led state that threw out the Muslim Brotherhood. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #4
I think anyone who believes the LGBT community would be "better" with the MB is crazy riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #7
More info Zarwan Jul 2014 #3
If I lived in a Muslim country, I would get the fuck out. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #5
Another argument against democracy bites the dust. pampango Jul 2014 #6
No one should be suprised at this. SCUBANOW Jul 2014 #8
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
4. Ironically, this is the army-led state that threw out the Muslim Brotherhood.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:52 AM
Jul 2014

Looks like LGBTs would have been better off with the brethren. At least that's what the article suggests.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
7. I think anyone who believes the LGBT community would be "better" with the MB is crazy
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:00 AM
Jul 2014

No way.

The al Sisi regime is awful on every level, including its actions towards the LGBT folks in Egypt, but the author's attempt to spin the MB's position on this as better isn't plausible.

The military regime simply has more practice cracking down on this than the MB regime had but make no mistake, if the MB had had enough time to sort itself out and get that ball rolling, they would have. I presume we would have seen public beheadings like they do in Iran....

Its all awful. If I were gay or transgendered in Egypt, I'd be extremely terrified and desperate to get out.

LuvNewcastle

(16,838 posts)
5. If I lived in a Muslim country, I would get the fuck out.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 03:12 AM
Jul 2014

I'm gay, but I should say the same would be true if I were a woman as well. They seem to be very creative in those countries when it comes to finding ways to shit on gay people and women.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
6. Another argument against democracy bites the dust.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jul 2014
Ironically, under Morsi, when the world railed against the “Islamization” of Egypt, The Daily Beast reported the start of a fledgling LGBT rights movement, as young gay activists launched online awareness campaigns via Facebook and Twitter.

But with the resurgence of the police state after last July’s military coup, LGBT people have become the focus of persecution that the Interior Ministry takes pride in publicizing. The “moral department” of the police force, tasked with managing public behavior, has put local journalists on speed dial to cover the gay arrests. Reporters film the cops’ dramatic raids. Videos of terrified men and women, handcuffed and heads bowed, are gleefully broadcast by Egyptian news networks along with their names and sometimes their addresses.

This will likely get worse as police bolster their web surveillance capabilities. A request for contract proposals leaked to the local press earlier this month showed that the Interior Ministry is seeking to set up a system to scan social media sites and mobile applications like Facebook, Twitter and What’s App for “destructive ideas”— including immorality and profanity.

Young gay men like Ahmed fear the situation will only get worse since Sisi’s recent election gives him what he’ll call a popular mandate for whatever repressive measures he wants to take against any part of society that doesn’t fit his vision of Egypt. For now, Ahmed is stuck in the country’s terrifying judicial system. The police report against him was fabricated, he says. His retrial has been postponed indefinitely. And so he keeps running.

No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

Speech in the House of Commons (1947-11-11)
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