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Bosnian Serbs build monument to Gavrilo Princip...assassin who started World War I (Original Post) Ken Burch Jun 2014 OP
Very bizarre liberal N proud Jun 2014 #1
Not to mention caused WWII as well. The people who chose to do this are disgusting. Coventina Jun 2014 #2
Keep in mind, one country's "assassin" is another's patriot. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #3
No way. Honoring that man is a slap in the face to the entire western world if not all humanity. Coventina Jun 2014 #5
He is a national hero to Serbia. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #13
And the US should cease all aid to them. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #19
Some hero, part of a gang that threw bombs on a crowded street. Coventina Jun 2014 #20
He may not have anticipated the war, but those honoring the guy, ninety years later, Ken Burch Jun 2014 #8
Technically, it was the reactions to his actions leftstreet Jun 2014 #10
Pointless to us, yes. Pointless to Serbia, no. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #11
Yup. I experienced this personally with the recent arrest of Gerry Adams of Sinn Fein riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #15
IMO, Adams and Princip are vastly different. Coventina Jun 2014 #22
Nuts. Just nuts. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #4
he did not "start" WW1 - he just shot someone and others started the war nt msongs Jun 2014 #6
+1000. But of course there's more than a few DUers who won't bother with the facts nt riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #17
I still don't know how his action started the war. CJCRANE Jun 2014 #7
There were other factors, for which nations on BOTH sides were equally responsible. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #9
I wonder what Europe would look like had Archduke Ferdinand not been assassinated. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #12
There still would have been a war. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #14
On the other hand, without the divisions caused by whipped-up nationalist bloodlust Ken Burch Jun 2014 #16
This disgusts me. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #18
Not Bosnia, Bosnian Serbs. Coventina Jun 2014 #21
Only our "terrorists" can be heros, right? HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #23

Coventina

(27,101 posts)
2. Not to mention caused WWII as well. The people who chose to do this are disgusting.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:02 PM
Jun 2014

If an assassin is a national hero, something is wrong with that "nation."

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
3. Keep in mind, one country's "assassin" is another's patriot.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:11 PM
Jun 2014

The Balkans were seeking independence from the Aus-Hun Empire. Although Princip probably didn't anticipate assassinating Ferdinand would result in a war encompassing all of Europe, the end result was independence for the Balkans. So naturally he's viewed as a national hero there.

Coventina

(27,101 posts)
5. No way. Honoring that man is a slap in the face to the entire western world if not all humanity.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jun 2014

Granted, I'm sure Princip never could have anticipated the ultimate outcome of his choice to become a murderer, any thinking, feeling person NOW would see that his legacy is NOT something of which to be proud.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. He is a national hero to Serbia.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jun 2014

Although he didn't intend to start a world war, merely to assassinate the ruler of the foreign empire that colonized them, the end result was independence for the Balkans. Naturally he's a hero there.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
19. And the US should cease all aid to them.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jun 2014

If they want this fuck to be a hero, let them stand on their own.

Fuck 'em all.

Coventina

(27,101 posts)
20. Some hero, part of a gang that threw bombs on a crowded street.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:53 PM
Jun 2014

And, one could argue that his actions led to the Balkans being under the dictatorship of Tito, and part of the Soviet Block.
Hardly "independence."

The independence they have now is the result of the Soviets losing the Cold War, nothing this loser did.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
8. He may not have anticipated the war, but those honoring the guy, ninety years later,
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:28 PM
Jun 2014

KNOW what his actions helped cause.

They could at least put a line on the monument's text acknowledging that most of those who died in the war had had nothing whatsoever to do with Serbia's status as a Hapsburg colony and apologizing for helping start that utterly pointless conflict.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
11. Pointless to us, yes. Pointless to Serbia, no.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:40 PM
Jun 2014

The Serbian nationalists goal was ridding themselves of foreign imperial rule. What caused that to escalate into WW1 was many entangling alliances, imperial intentions of Germany and Russia, and the opportunity afforded by a weakening Ottoman Empire.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
15. Yup. I experienced this personally with the recent arrest of Gerry Adams of Sinn Fein
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 09:45 PM
Jun 2014

There were a whole slew of DUers who were disgusted he was ever "free". They saw his latest (false) arrest as some sort of "vindication" of his (never proven) ties to the IRA.

When I protested that to many Irish, he was actually a peace activist who managed to find a resolution with Britain, I was majorly slammed.

For them, Adams (without a shred of evidence), is a terrorist.

What's even weirder is that most of those most passionate about his latest arrest were AMERICANS! Not Brits OR Irish.....

For the Balkans, Princip achieved their goal. The human cost however was disastrous and its worth having a conversation about whether it was worth it or not.

I hate to say it but all those who take "bold" action are neither heroes nor saints.

Coventina

(27,101 posts)
22. IMO, Adams and Princip are vastly different.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 12:54 AM
Jun 2014

Adams has been examined and re-examined and has never been found to have been directly involved in any murders or assassinations.

Not only that, but he dedicated himself to bringing about peace.

Princip, at best, is like Mrs. O'Leary's cow. A dimwit who brought about a catastrophe.
But, he did set out to do deliberate harm, and anyone who would raise a statue in his honor is morally bankrupt.

Adams, whatever his crimes may or may not have been (and he's been gone over with a fine-tooth comb, so I don't think he ever did anything heinous) has done his best to bring about peace and reconciliation.

I, personally, would have no problem with a statue erected to honor Adams.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
14. There still would have been a war.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 09:02 PM
Jun 2014

Germany likely would have emerged the winner, as several more years of gaining economic and military strength couldn't have been countered by England and France.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
16. On the other hand, without the divisions caused by whipped-up nationalist bloodlust
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jun 2014

It's entirely possible that ALL of the decaying empires of Europe(and Hohenzollern Germany was just as decayed as the rest by then)would have been overthrown by workers' revolts, producing a pan-European socialist revolution that would never have degenerated into tyranny, regimentation, militarism and right-wing ethnic supremacism, as the USSR did once Stalin took over.

Coventina

(27,101 posts)
21. Not Bosnia, Bosnian Serbs.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:55 PM
Jun 2014

But, I agree, anyone who would erect a statue to that murderer should be shunned by anyone of thought or feeling.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
23. Only our "terrorists" can be heros, right?
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 01:27 AM
Jun 2014

England had quite a different view of our patriots than we do. Native Americans have a different view of Sitting Bull than we do... and they have a different opinion of George Custer than others do. Its all a matter of perspective. You think you should be the final arbitor of who each country's heros should or shouldn't be? That's mighty arrogant and ignorant.

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