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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 06:30 AM Jun 2014

Some startling (and deeply terrible) legislation passed the U.S. House on Tuesday night

The U.S. House of Representatives on Tuesday passed a bill streamlining the approval process for oil and natural gas pipelines, and other energy infrastructure, that cross the borders with Canada and Mexico, and removing a requirement that the Department of Energy (DOE) approve oil and gas imports/exports to those countries.

HR 3301, the North American Energy Infrastructure Act, passed the House by a 238-173 vote. Although the vote was conducted mostly along party lines, 17 Democrats voted for the measure while one Republican was opposed. Twenty lawmakers, 10 in each party, did not cast a vote.

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http://www.naturalgasintel.com/articles/98821-house-passes-cross-border-energy-infrastructure-bill


Owners of the Portland-Montreal oil pipeline running through Vermont need federal approval before changing their operations. That requirement would vanish under legislation approved by the U.S. House this week.

Under the legislation, passed 238-173 on Tuesday night, plans to expand or modify cross-border pipelines and transmission lines would be exempt from federal approval or environmental review.

Rep. Peter Welch, D-Vt., says that exemption could impact Vermont.

Owners of the Portland-Montreal pipeline, which carries light sweet crude oil from Maine through Vermont and into Canada, reportedly are considering reversing the pipeline's flow and switching to Canadian tar-sands oil, which is considered dirtier.

If the Portland Pipe Line Corp. proceeds with that plan, and the House-passed bill becomes law, Vermont communities would have no opportunity to have their health and safety concerns taken into account, Welch said.

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http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2014/06/25/welch-pipeline-project-bill/11375359/

And yes, this probably will be killed in the Senate, but with conservodems like Landrieu, that's not as sure a bet as many may believe.


Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt, criticized a committee vote Wednesday that lends support to the construction of a pipeline for tar-sands oil from Alberta to refineries along the Gulf of Mexico.

The 12-10 vote by the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee is advisory; the pipeline's fate will ultimately be decided by President Obama.

In a written statement, Sanders termed the proposed pipeline a conduit for "the dirtiest oil imaginable" due to the destructive nature of its extraction.

Endorsing the pipeline's construction, he added, "would send a signal that the United States is unwilling to lead the way toward reversing global warming."

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http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2014/06/18/sanders-faults-pro-pipeline-vote-senate/10788033/

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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. This would never pass the Democratically-controlled Senate, right? Or be signed by the ....
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 07:32 AM
Jun 2014

... Democrat in the White House, right?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. if only we could have confidence that that was true
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 07:52 AM
Jun 2014

Clearly you don't and neither do I- nor should anyone else.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
9. Oh, I think if either Reid nor Obama favored it, it would have been approved long ago.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:37 AM
Jun 2014

It is wise to doubt all politicians but I don't doubt them all the same.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
3. If the media would do its job we could destroy this Congress.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 07:56 AM
Jun 2014

Tuesday was truly a black day & we're just now hearing about it. It should have been on every headline Wednesday! Canada will probably try to get around British Columbian objections, too.

Igel

(35,282 posts)
13. Probably not.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 05:09 PM
Jun 2014

It's a messy issue.

There's the issue of jobs. How you count them varies. The thing is, how you count the number of jobs created by highway construction funds varies in precisely the same way. Now we count short-term jobs that build infrastructure; now we ignore them. Now we count jobs that result from the knock-on effect of what the infrastructure gives us; now we discount them.

There's the issue of pollution. Now it's how the shale oil is produced that's the real concern. Years ago it was the fact it was thick, sludgy, difficult to process oil that was the real concern. Now that the old real concern isn't a real concern anymore, the newest real concern is that the oil has too many volatile components and isn't thick and sludgy enough.

Of course, this is as we ponder the glories of Russian oil and gas and the out-sized control it has. But I digress.

Then there's the debate over whether the Congress is stripping away the President's constitutional authority. The answer appears to be not really. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/10/can-congress-overrule-obama-on-the-keystone-xl-pipeline/ was the story a year ago, and nothing much has changed. Congress is well within its enumerated rights--the executive has only been in charge of approving such things because Congress hasn't stepped up the plate much in the last century or so. In the absence of "international commerce" we've relied on "foreign affairs"--as though they were the same thing. The real question is whether Congress, having failed to exercise that right for so long, can suddenly start exercising it. At what point does precedent start overruling text? Of course, the precedent was decided by progressives who *wanted* the president to stripped of the authority to approve such things, whereas now progressives want to the president to have sole authority to approve such things. It's not about the Constitution, it's just about power. And power is a damned crappy moral principle.

Moreover, I find this to be a silly point. For the last 70+ years Congress has failed to declare war before the president goes to war. Does that mean that only the President is is allowed to declare de facto war on his own and that Congress has forfeited any right to declare war de jure? (Presumably the anwer has to lie in whether progressives consider the war to be one that they personally want, and who's in favor of it, not in any concern for the actual Constitution.)

avebury

(10,951 posts)
5. I really wonder what my Dad would
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 08:39 AM
Jun 2014

have thought about this. Years ago he was President of the Portland Pipeline. I do know that, in his era, they were really pro-active in being ready to handle any oil spills in Casco Bay.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
7. I can remember when we, the voters, sent people
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:19 AM
Jun 2014

to D.C. to help our country, not themselves. What we have now are a bunch of thieves.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
8. Now that Canada has effectively blocked all pipe line expantion
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:22 AM
Jun 2014

I suppose we have to do the opposite.

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