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SCOTUS Will Eventually Allow Discrimination Against Gays On Religious Grounds. (Original Post)
TheMastersNemesis
Jun 2014
OP
That's why DU is full of people lying about the views of activist religious leaders toward LGBT
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2014
#3
Unlikely, that is a fundamental question for the legislative branch it would spark a revolution.
Fred Sanders
Jun 2014
#5
That's nice, but the OP's contention was not that this ruling allows such discrimination but that
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2014
#8
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)1. Yep, that's next.
There are already lawsuits in the works, touting the right to "religious liberty".
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)2. And Jews and blacks and whites and .......
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)3. That's why DU is full of people lying about the views of activist religious leaders toward LGBT
rights. They are trying to lay the groundwork. Set the mood.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)4. I should have posted this before but sometimes it seems hopeless here
http://www.thenation.com/article/180358/how-enda-still-allows-discrimination-against-lgbt-workers
How ENDA Still Allows Discrimination Against LGBT Workers
The religious exemption in the current version of ENDA would enshrine the idea that LGBT equality is incompatible with the free exercise of religion.
Tobias Barrington Wolff June 20, 2014
(excerpt)
It took years of hard work to jettison all the resulting dross from ENDA. Now, finally, only one piece of flotsam is left in the statute: a provision called the religious exemption. Among federal anti-discrimination laws, it is unique to ENDA. And that is the very reason that it must be stricken.
At issue is when religious organizations should get special exemptions from civil rights laws. Should they be allowed to discriminate in some circumstances when other employers cannot? One could take a range of approaches to this question. On one end, there is the view that the only special exemption should be the one that the Constitution actually requires: that churches and religious organizations remain free to choose ministers and other employees with ministerial duties free from any interference from government. On the other end, we have recently seen legislation like Arizonas SB1062 that would create exceedingly broad religious exemptions that would even apply to for-profit businesses. Somewhere in the middle, one could argue that special exemptions should be limited to religious organizations, but that those organizations should be allowed to discriminate in both religious and non-religious jobs, like administrative and maintenance staff.
Whatever approach one takes, there is one principle that must always be respected: these exemptions must be defined in the same way for everyone. We cannot have one approach to religious exemptions for discrimination based on gender or disability and a different approach for discrimination based on race or sexual orientation. To do so would be to accept the idea that some types of equality are inherently at odds with religion. That dangerous argument has been misused many times in our history. The unequal treatment of women, racial segregation, even slavery itselfall have been justified by religious doctrine....
How ENDA Still Allows Discrimination Against LGBT Workers
The religious exemption in the current version of ENDA would enshrine the idea that LGBT equality is incompatible with the free exercise of religion.
Tobias Barrington Wolff June 20, 2014
(excerpt)
It took years of hard work to jettison all the resulting dross from ENDA. Now, finally, only one piece of flotsam is left in the statute: a provision called the religious exemption. Among federal anti-discrimination laws, it is unique to ENDA. And that is the very reason that it must be stricken.
At issue is when religious organizations should get special exemptions from civil rights laws. Should they be allowed to discriminate in some circumstances when other employers cannot? One could take a range of approaches to this question. On one end, there is the view that the only special exemption should be the one that the Constitution actually requires: that churches and religious organizations remain free to choose ministers and other employees with ministerial duties free from any interference from government. On the other end, we have recently seen legislation like Arizonas SB1062 that would create exceedingly broad religious exemptions that would even apply to for-profit businesses. Somewhere in the middle, one could argue that special exemptions should be limited to religious organizations, but that those organizations should be allowed to discriminate in both religious and non-religious jobs, like administrative and maintenance staff.
Whatever approach one takes, there is one principle that must always be respected: these exemptions must be defined in the same way for everyone. We cannot have one approach to religious exemptions for discrimination based on gender or disability and a different approach for discrimination based on race or sexual orientation. To do so would be to accept the idea that some types of equality are inherently at odds with religion. That dangerous argument has been misused many times in our history. The unequal treatment of women, racial segregation, even slavery itselfall have been justified by religious doctrine....
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)5. Unlikely, that is a fundamental question for the legislative branch it would spark a revolution.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)6. opinion says ruling can't overturn antidiscrimination laws
the ruling is pretty narrow. Scotusblog, the gold standard for Supremes rulings, has details.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)7. Please see my post above regarding ENDA
I could tell you who's lobbying hard for the religious exemption but I'd be branded a hater. Even here.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)8. That's nice, but the OP's contention was not that this ruling allows such discrimination but that
SCOTUS eventually would make such a ruling. Care to address the actual topic?
librechik
(30,673 posts)9. no because
closet
apologies--don't hurt me!