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They're dealing with the pros and cons of Colorado's legalized pot. Very interesting. Looking at it from every angle, warts and all. 10,000 new jobs, and $17 million in taxes in just four months.
Big question though (people have actually od'd) is how do you know the THC level of your weed? Seems like the next frontier...THC-purity testing services, same as the way you test your pool water or soil acidity. Remember, you heard it here first.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)No one has ever OD'd from weed. It has no established LD50.
And THC isn't the only thing that gets you high in weed. There's plenty of CBDs/CBNs in there.
Orrex
(63,084 posts)I knew a guy in college who tried diligently to OD on pot for about four years straight, with no success.
I applaud his persistence, though. A true pioneer of the scientific spirit!
RainDog
(28,784 posts)There has never been any proof of an OD and the reason for this is that there are no cannabinoid receptors in the medulla oblongata.
eShirl
(18,466 posts)Then she typed up some gibberish and mailed it in.
Oh wait, that wasn't an OD, that was her MO.
that explains MoDo, now tell me what Peggy Noonan is on.
Classic. Thanks!
Atman
(31,464 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)I'm asking how NPR came up the the lie about ODs since it's physically impossible to do.
And OD is an overdose that causes respiratory failure, heart failure, etc. that generally results in death. That's the definition of an overdose in common parlance.
There has never been an overdose recorded because, unless someone injected a very concentrated form of mj, it's impossible to reach a state that would be considered an overdose.
I'm just tired of the media lies.
Tachychardia is not an overdose but it sometimes a temporary experience.
I take issue because I am sick of the propaganda and if someone spreads it, I will challenge it.
If you don't like this - your problem.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Don't you get that salient report? They explained what for which you're asking an explanation! That's the point! They said that yes, it is rare, but it DOES happen, and it HAS happened, and now that Colorado is the Brave New World, with kids eating mom and dad's brownies, etc, they've seen some new stuff.
The fact is, you didn't listen to one word of the news report, yet you have all the answers to refute it. BRILLIANT!
Don't post shit here if you can't explain it.
No, I'm not listening to it. YOU WERE.
So, get your facts or don't post.
Atman
(31,464 posts)They said there have been instances of kids getting into parents pot supplies, and people who didn't know the strength of what they were eating, and they experienced cardiac failure.
So, I listened to it, you didn't it, but I'm the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about. How about if you listen to the report here first. You can even post a transcript if you'd like. My OP said I thought it was "an interesting story," not that I had more information than the report gave. Fuckin' A! Leave it to DU!
RainDog
(28,784 posts)The show you were listening to isn't carried by my local NPR station.
Asking you for a link etc. was entirely reasonable. Getting all riled up because someone asked you to do this is entirely unreasonable.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Once again, I simply said there was an interesting program on. You called me a liar because you were too lazy to check it out.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)don't tell someone to go find the information for themselves. You make the claim, you supply the information.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Is NPR really that hard to find? Aren't you actually sitting in front of a computer right now?
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Was in the shower between my first post and this one.
It's considered common courtesy to supply a link when someone makes a claim here.
I'll find it later.
Thanks - it's been a real pleasure to talk to you.
Atman
(31,464 posts)I'm not sure what is the claim you're seeking.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)and it's bothering you that people are "dealing" "with" it?
Atman
(31,464 posts)The first two replies have no relationship to my OP...neither of them even bothered to listen to the program.
Then you, who took my suggestion that maybe if you'd had enough of the 150 Hobby Lobby threads, here was something else interesting out there. And you think it means it means it "bothers" me that people are "dealing" with it? Holy shit. This place has lost it.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)umbrage of your OP, which basically says people who are sick of hearing and reading about a major supreme court decision which affects every single women in the United States of America, can go read something else, that can provide them some relief from those postings.
I know we can NEVER have enough posts about pot.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Or, can people multi-task?
Atman
(31,464 posts)Typical BB. I simply said if you happen to be a bid weary of the multitude of HL threads on the front page, here is an interesting alternative. That apparently means I think the HL case in unimportant. I don't take umbrage. I just don't take kindly to mis-reading and re-wording people's comments to fit one's own skewed agenda.
Crunchy Frog
(26,548 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)I think it takes about three keystrokes to enter NPR into the Google.
Crunchy Frog
(26,548 posts)Ya know, to narrow things down a little.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)There is no known minimum lethal dosage in humans for any active constituent of cannabis.
In tests with small rodents, death has been caused due to central nervous system depression with vast quantities of THC given intravenously. In larger mammals there is no death caused by a dosage of 3000mg/kg of THC, the largest dosage sampled. That would be a 154 pound human ingesting roughly 40 pounds of cannabis or 10 pounds of hashish and they still wouldn't OD.
Atman
(31,464 posts)I don't care what you think at this point, until AFTER you listened to the story. It was not at all anti-pot. But I listened to it, YOU didn't. Re-post after you've heard the case made. That is all I ask.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)That's a silly thing to ask me to do.
And I'll post in whatever thread I decide to post in. You have no right to demand I not post in this thread.
Atman
(31,464 posts)I didn't state the program was giving out false information. You made that claim without listening to it. And that somehow makes YOU more credible? I only suggested you listen to a news report. Gosh, crazy me.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)They have not.
No reason to explore a show giving out falsehoods any further than your OP.
Atman
(31,464 posts)See, there's that intellectual curiosity thing. I pointed to an interesting story which said they actually have shown that people have od'd. Period. I said it was interesting and you might want to check it out. Well, maybe not YOU, but intellectually curious people.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)You can read a link, I assume. Maybe that's too much of an assumption. I have no use for your bullshit. Listen or read the transcript about the post I commented on, then let's see if you have anything worthwhile to say.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,846 posts)You lied and were called out.
Atman
(31,464 posts)The respondent couldn't be bothered to spend ten seconds of his precious life to listen to the broadcast I specifically addressed. I didn't lie. I referred to a news program, and I said I found it interesting. You're just as bad as he is.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,846 posts)The thing I love about Internet forums is that it makes it so much harder to lie about what you've said.
Atman
(31,464 posts)You have to know how to read first to be able to grade others.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,846 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)Let's see...uh...
There. I'm better!
samsingh
(17,571 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)See, the funny thing is, it's a radio show. You might actually have to listen to it. Horrors.
You caught some weird shit for this OP. I don't get it.
Anyways, I'm a pothead who did find it interesting. With NY inching along slowly towards legalizing it, doubly so. So thanks for the heads up. And the link, though you may wanna stick that in the OP.
Atman
(31,464 posts)It was just an invite to listen to an interesting program. Suddenly I am the source of the information in the program. Some people here are just nuts!
RainDog
(28,784 posts)First, he supplied no link, just said it's on NPR. Guess what?
NPR doesn't have the same programs on everywhere or at the same time. The link, after people asked, was to On Point - a show my local NPR station doesn't carry. So, no, I couldn't just listen to it, even if I wasn't on my way out the door.
imo, he jumped on my shit while claiming I did this - but I simply said there's no known overdose amt that is humanly possible for cannabis in its natural form... I did allow that if someone injected some sort of concentrate, yeah, then that might indicate a possible od amount - but, again, no one has ever tried this - yet. Sadly, I have such a low opinion of humankind at this point, I wouldn't doubt if someone did try something so stupid at some point. But this is not the way cannabis is consumed - even when it's consumed as butane hash oil - which, apparently, is a coming thing because it's so much easier to hide in illegal states.
So, to gripe at people here was ridiculous. Apparently this person thinks something on one NPR station is on every NPR station - or it's on at the same time.
I called out the "OD" claim because drug warriors have been like contortionists trying to be able to pin a death on cannabis. Yet no one has been able to make one based upon the traditional understanding of what "OD" means - organ failure, respiratory failure, etc.
so, I listened to it.
If someone loses his shit and jumps off a building - that's not an OD. That's a negative reaction - but marijuana does not compel people to jump off buildings as part of its use, beyond those who want to jump off a building anyway. i.e. no zombie building jumper b.s. passes the smell test of an overdose.
The guy who jumped off a building and the guy who shot his wife are not overdoses. The wife didn't consume any cannabis, yet she's the one who died.
I already knew of both of these instances. Neither of them classify as an overdose. They are adverse reactions.
You know why it's not an overdose? Because IN THIS RADIO SHOW the guy who talks about those incidents said adverse reactions from consuming (ingesting) more marijuana than what makes someone comfortable or that causes unpleasant emotional reactions noted the treatment for this is TO WAIT IT OUT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU DO IN THE CASE OF AN OVERDOSE. A overdose is usually fatal unless some intervention is taken to reverse the action of the substance.
What these people on the show are talking about is not actual overdosing.
People do need to learn how to use marijuana if they've never used it. Personally, I've never eaten mj and don't really care to - but people who sell mj know edibles are stronger and longer lasting. They should use it in a setting where they are comfortable, happy, have something to do that doesn't involve driving or operating heavy machinery or caring for an infant, etc. etc.
People should not drive and use mj. I've never supported this, tho I have noted studies indicate those with little experience with mj are worse drivers than those with a lot of experience - most likely because the metabolites from mj dampen the experience of someone who smokes often.
People who used to smoke and stopped and want to smoke again, now that it's legal, should know that they can expect to take one or two tokes to achieve the same effect that an entire (shared) joint would in the past. They'll also have an experience like someone who has never used mj, so they shouldn't assume things they could do in the past while stoned are things they would do now.
When I've been in situations where I've seen recent mj use - no one rolls a joint anymore unless they're in a public setting like an outdoor concert. People use one-hitters or chillums or bongs in smaller social settings - based upon my limited recent experience.
If you've ever experienced the really good, high grade mj now available from legal states, or quasi-legal ones, it's not even worth bothering to roll a joint of crappy weed. You can REALLY tell the difference between mj grown in optimum conditions and something grown in someone's backyard garden.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Quite an impassioned plea for someone who wasn't wrong.
BTW, do you still call me a liar for simply pointing out what was said in a news show?
RainDog
(28,784 posts)I explained why you were being a boor. I'm done.
The reality is just as I noted, however. and, yes, you were lying.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Okay, so at least you finally listened to the program. I'm sure the families of these people are relieved that RainDog on DU says it wasn't an "actual" overdose. But somehow I was the liar for pointing out what was said in this news report.
No wonder I'm boring you. It must suck being wrong in post after post after post.
I'd never really interacted with you here before. You call me lazy because I don't find the link that OP typically supplies as standard practice here.
and, blah, blah, blah, whatever other crap you have to say.
yes. you're boring and I'm not interested in reading what you have to say anymore based upon how you conducted yourself here.
if you're such a loser you resort to insults because someone asks you for a link - it must suck to be you.
bye.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Stop, you're killin' me!
Atman
(31,464 posts)If you see a movie or watch a TV show, and you recommend that TV show to people, and you mention a specific part of the program, are you, RainDog, then a LIAR for telling people you saw a good (or interesting) movie? How was my op a LIE when all I said was that I listened to an interesting program? I did. I listened to it. And I suggested other might like to as well. So that is what we now consider "Lying" on DU? Really?
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)Pros: Too many to list.
Cons: None.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Oh yeah.
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