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hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:41 AM Jun 2014

"Should Saying Someone Is 'Off The Reservation' Be Off-Limits?

"Off the reservation is a common phrase, which many people use without considering the context of its original meaning. Namely, that Native American peoples were restricted to reservations created by the U.S. government, and their freedom was severely limited by the terms of the treaties they were often forced to sign."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-someone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-limits

Apologies if someone already posted this.

I think this is another case of a commonly used phrase that has meanings most people are unaware of and/or never consider.

Lest anyone think this is a case of too much political correctness, consider the meaning of "paddy wagon".

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"Should Saying Someone Is 'Off The Reservation' Be Off-Limits? (Original Post) hedgehog Jun 2014 OP
No. Don't make me call the paddy wagon. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #1
Nope quinnox Jun 2014 #2
I vote no -- because you SHOULD be off the reservation. rocktivity Jun 2014 #3
But in your examples, people can get upset too Bettie Jun 2014 #19
The elevator one could be a slight against tall folk? BootinUp Jun 2014 #24
How about The Celtics Mascot....??? nt clarice Jun 2014 #4
Not to mention hedgehog Jun 2014 #6
Exactly....but I don't hear any Irishmen up in arms about it. I find that strange. nt clarice Jun 2014 #7
It's because we Irish are honorary white people now. hedgehog Jun 2014 #9
I hear ya, but I think people forget how horribly the Irish were persecuted. nt clarice Jun 2014 #16
I won't use it because it is a cliche going back to countless Agnosticsherbet Jun 2014 #5
If every colloquialism is going to be put through the PC wringer .... earthside Jun 2014 #8
yep..... dhill926 Jun 2014 #22
I have never heard the saying 'Off the Reservation'. dilby Jun 2014 #10
Hmmm...I had never pipi_k Jun 2014 #11
I think I've heard it in movies or TV shows deutsey Jun 2014 #21
I've never even really understood the phrase. NuclearDem Jun 2014 #12
Absolutely. That's the most racist thing I have ever heard ... oldhippie Jun 2014 #13
* sarcasm ?* If so, I agree.nt clarice Jun 2014 #18
Wildlife reservations? aikoaiko Jun 2014 #14
Native reservations. NuclearDem Jun 2014 #15
I'd never heard the phrase before, and frogmarch Jun 2014 #17
That's my feeling frogmarch cilla4progress Jun 2014 #20
I don't think it is a condescending term at all. earthside Jun 2014 #23
Also "ticket scalping". "Indian giver". etc (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #25
Not to mention "Honest Injun" Art_from_Ark Jul 2014 #30
Seems to me a popular sports radio guy used that BootinUp Jun 2014 #26
Funny, the only people I've heard say it are Indians Warpy Jun 2014 #27
I am not advocating that we ban words or phrases - hedgehog Jul 2014 #29
I've always understood "off the reservation" to refer to an individual Maedhros Jun 2014 #28

rocktivity

(44,571 posts)
3. I vote no -- because you SHOULD be off the reservation.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:51 PM - Edit history (3)

Besides, we have things like have things like "a bottle short of sixpack" or "his elevator doesn't go to the top floor" or "he was swimming in the wrong end of the gene pool" to choose from.


rocktivity

Bettie

(16,060 posts)
19. But in your examples, people can get upset too
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:35 PM
Jun 2014

"Can short of a six-pack" could be triggering for alcoholics or recovering alcoholics and may seem to some to be denigrating to them.

"Swimming in the wrong end of the gene pool" could be inflammatory for those who aren't very bright or who have genetic abnormalities in their families.

Now, the elevator one...I got nothin'.

At some point, we're going to have to accept that there are few colloquialisms that can't be considered negative at some level.

I understand the need to be sensitive, but it's getting kind of silly these days.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
8. If every colloquialism is going to be put through the PC wringer ....
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:05 PM
Jun 2014

.... then we are going to end-up with a pretty boring, drab language.

Besides, nothing will cause a faster backlash against liberalism/progressivism than speech police.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
10. I have never heard the saying 'Off the Reservation'.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:08 PM
Jun 2014

But maybe it's a term used on the East Coast, I grew up in AZ and currently live in Oregon.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
11. Hmmm...I had never
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:10 PM
Jun 2014

heard that phrase used by anyone other than Native Americans, who spoke of being "from the Rez", "off the Rez", "on the Rez", etc.

So it's a new one for me in the context of whites using it in a derogatory manner.



deutsey

(20,166 posts)
21. I think I've heard it in movies or TV shows
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:59 PM
Jun 2014

usually in the context of someone who is normally a good team player but is now going rogue.

I can't think of any specific instance, though.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
12. I've never even really understood the phrase.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jun 2014

I also don't tend to use it.

If the Native communities think it should be off limits, then I've got no problem purging it from my lexicon.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
13. Absolutely. That's the most racist thing I have ever heard ...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jun 2014

... All words and phrases should be closely examined and racist words, slogans, dog whistles and thoughts should be abolished, purged and heavily criminalized.

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
17. I'd never heard the phrase before, and
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jun 2014

I live very close to Pine Ridge Reservation. One of my daughters-in-law is Lakota and many of her relatives live there.

I don't like the sounds of the phrase and would never use it.

cilla4progress

(24,717 posts)
20. That's my feeling frogmarch
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jun 2014

Sayings like these don't have to "go through a PC wringer..." reasonable people can make up their own minds about whether they feel comfortable using them, given their background.

Having worked on Indian reservations for several years, and read many histories and memoirs, I'm personally not comfortable with it.

I think it dates back to when an Indian person strayed from the constraints imposed upon them here by Euro-American settlers, to stay within the boundary and confines of the geographic area decided as their residence by government and military forces. So, a moving outside limits - whether physical or political or otherwise, pre-established for a person, by someone else.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
23. I don't think it is a condescending term at all.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:05 PM
Jun 2014
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/go_off_the_reservation

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/geronimo-flees-arizona-reservation

My understand of the term has always been someone or group that has decided to rebel against the conventional, established order.

For instance, when Geronimo and his followers broke out of the Apache reservation in Arizona in 1881. They were looking for their freedom.

I think the NPR article is rather biased and fails to fully explore the reasonable use of the term in the common vernacular.

BootinUp

(47,070 posts)
26. Seems to me a popular sports radio guy used that
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jun 2014

maybe Vin Scully. Anyways, I heard it somewhere quite often growing up and it doesn't strike me as offensive because its part of the lingo to me. But I could change my mind at some point.

Warpy

(111,124 posts)
27. Funny, the only people I've heard say it are Indians
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:22 PM
Jun 2014

It's not something I'd consider saying, I think it's stupid in whitefolksspeak.

However, off limits? We're supposed to be grownups here. Anyone who uses it in a post can jolly well accept his lumps afterward. We don't need to ban words and phrases.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
29. I am not advocating that we ban words or phrases -
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 03:50 AM
Jul 2014

although there are certain words that will get you in trouble on DU. What I am trying to do is help make people aware that many common words and phrases could be interpreted as pejoratives by others. For example, how many are aware that the verb "to gyp" is a pejorative? For many of us, "tar baby" was a reference to a folk tale, and the perfect metaphor for an entangling problem someone brought upon his self. It wasn't until the discussion here on DU that I was aware that in some places, it's a pejorative applied to African American children.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
28. I've always understood "off the reservation" to refer to an individual
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jun 2014

who transgresses a consensus of thought or action. The metaphor of the Native American who refuses to be confined to the land prescribed for him by the U.S. Government seems apt.

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