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Isn't there there something in the Constitution relating to womens' rights? (Original Post) Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 OP
Holly lobby bans 4 types of birth control yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #1
Thanks for the apologist BS. TBF Jun 2014 #7
I know. Don't you hate it when facts get in the way yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #9
What I don't appreciate is Right Wing BS TBF Jun 2014 #11
Please tell me what the Right Wing wording that I said.....I will be most interested in finding yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #12
Those four types of b.c. JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #8
Banning Morning After Pill is cruel punishment for rape victims. Hobby Lobby McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #21
Is Hobby Lobby a doctor? Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #22
Yes, but their opposition to those 4 is based on whack, not science frazzled Jul 2014 #28
They exclude the most reliable forms of reversible contraception!!!1! LeftyMom Jul 2014 #31
The ERA was struck down in '86, I think. Women have no rights in this fundy fuckin' country. nt valerief Jun 2014 #2
That should be Democrats big push Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #3
But in the US, you have to pay to play with any Congress member. nt valerief Jun 2014 #5
Women need to demand now Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #14
Or at least play with the Congress member's member. Shrike47 Jul 2014 #30
Bwahahaha!!! valerief Jul 2014 #35
I don't think the ERA was struck down so much as it just was not passed. Jenoch Jun 2014 #23
Correct. My poor use of words. I meant struck down/rejected by the states. valerief Jul 2014 #36
It wasn't "struck down". It was never ratified. Three states short, I believe. n/t winter is coming Jul 2014 #32
The Constitution isn't gener specific anymore, like it should be snooper2 Jun 2014 #4
No - that is the problem. In contrast the TBF Jun 2014 #6
14th Amendment? YoungDemCA Jun 2014 #10
No. It's not enough. TBF Jun 2014 #13
Congress should put forward some meaty proposals for women's rights now Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #15
THIS do-nothing Congress? Surely you jest. Hekate Jun 2014 #17
Will never happen BlindTiresias Jun 2014 #25
Why did women's rights die on the vine? It should have been priority? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #27
Rorty made an astute prediction on "Achieving Our Country" BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #29
No, not as such. All specifics redefining "Rights of Men" show up in the Amendments... Hekate Jun 2014 #16
The Constitution is a dinosaur it needs modernizing Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #18
The Constitution is not a dinosaur, but 4 members of the SCOTUS are. Hekate Jun 2014 #19
It certainly doesn't breathe much with women's rights! Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #20
It can be amended, and has been. What's needed is interpretation, and changes in laws. Hekate Jun 2014 #24
To be fair BlindTiresias Jun 2014 #26
Scalito can hardly wait. All it would take is another Republican POTUS sworn in 2017. Hekate Jul 2014 #33
Yes Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2014 #37
I agree - it was written by white male land owners - TBF Jul 2014 #34
Congress seems to frightened to touch it. Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2014 #38

TBF

(32,004 posts)
11. What I don't appreciate is Right Wing BS
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jun 2014

and misogyny taking over on DU. But I'm not too worried because I'm quite sure that with this ruling your party is going to go down hard in the midterms. So you've actually done us a favor.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
12. Please tell me what the Right Wing wording that I said.....I will be most interested in finding
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:44 PM
Jun 2014

what that is. I have been on DU all day long and not another source......I am just tickled to find out.

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
8. Those four types of b.c.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jun 2014

Go to 'when life begins'. For those of us who have no religious based ideas about when life begins - it's a smack in the face.

And it's another way to chip at Roe v. Wade.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
21. Banning Morning After Pill is cruel punishment for rape victims. Hobby Lobby
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:13 PM
Jun 2014

deserves to burn in hell.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
22. Is Hobby Lobby a doctor?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:16 PM
Jun 2014

Maybe you won't mind if they just use embroidery thread on your open wounds, because hey, they are in the medical business!

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
28. Yes, but their opposition to those 4 is based on whack, not science
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:03 AM
Jul 2014

Neither Plan B, Ella, nor the two types of IUD are in any way abortifacients.

You can't say that you oppose them because you believe them to be "potential life-terminating drugs" (hell, two aren't even drugs), when the scientific consensus says that is just NOT TRUE.

And then the Supreme Court says we need to support their right to hold entirely false and specious beliefs, contradicted by science--a right to believe that tramples the rights of others.

This is (part of) what gets my goat. Look, there are religious beliefs that are not provable (or disprovable). I get that. But when there are beliefs that are easily disproved, they should not be the basis for anything.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
31. They exclude the most reliable forms of reversible contraception!!!1!
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:14 AM
Jul 2014

As well as emergency contraception and of course abortion.

The real world failure rate of oral contraceptives is 45x that of IUDs. So a woman using a HL-approved method is 45x more likely to get pregnant, or even higher with a barrier method (for which they permit no EC backstop) and then she's SOL because they don't cover abortion.

To say nothing of any employees who get raped and then can't get EC on their insurance. Any delay getting that figured out or getting somebody to bring you $50 (which you probably don't have handy if you work at a craft store) increases the likelihood of getting pregnant with your rapist's kid. Which you won't be covered to abort because the Greens know better than you or your doctor.

TBF

(32,004 posts)
6. No - that is the problem. In contrast the
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jun 2014

Soviet Constitution had equal rights in their 1977 constitution. Stupid commies.

TBF

(32,004 posts)
13. No. It's not enough.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:44 PM
Jun 2014

This is what we need (with the caveat that I think it should become effectively immediately):

The Equal Rights Amendment

Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Section 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.

http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/

Hekate

(90,556 posts)
17. THIS do-nothing Congress? Surely you jest.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:51 PM
Jun 2014

Our only hope for the future is to elect a Democratic majority House and Senate, and elect a Democratic president as well.

Another Republican POTUS to fill vacancies on the SCOTUS and we might as well pack up and go home.

BlindTiresias

(1,563 posts)
29. Rorty made an astute prediction on "Achieving Our Country"
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:16 AM
Jul 2014

"The gains made in the past forty years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. The words 'nigger' and 'kike' will once again be heard in the workplace."

The belief that history runs in one direction: Progressivism is a delusion. Societies can change and often in entirely undesirable ways for the non-elite. While leftists courted capitalism and made pollyanna predictions of progressive dominance with zero effort the right wing waged a war. I wouldn't say it is exclusively waged on women but women are the next on the chopping block.

Hekate

(90,556 posts)
16. No, not as such. All specifics redefining "Rights of Men" show up in the Amendments...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:55 PM
Jun 2014

Same for African-Americans -- but, you see, the Amendments shift back and forth as the times change. So in the beginning, we had slavery -- then we didn't. In the beginning, "Men" and "Mankind" meant "male" and excluded "female" and then women got the vote.

"Mankind" started out as a rather exclusive club -- women, children, and slaves need not apply. There are those in this country (and I include Scalito) who would like us to return to those golden days, because Wisdom, you know. Or something.

It used to be thought (by me, anyway) that the Constitution was this glorious document that grew and changed in every generation as various groups awoke and demanded their civil rights. I wasn't counting on the Constitution having an arc of growth that included hardening of the arteries, senility, and death.

So GOTV this year, and for Gods' sake vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is in 2016, because it matters more than you can possibly imagine. Bush gave us this SCOTUS, and the damage just goes on and on and on.

Hekate

(90,556 posts)
19. The Constitution is not a dinosaur, but 4 members of the SCOTUS are.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:09 PM
Jun 2014

The Constitution needs to live and breathe, changing from era to era. It is capable of doing that, but humans need to make it happen. Do you see the difference?

Hekate

(90,556 posts)
24. It can be amended, and has been. What's needed is interpretation, and changes in laws.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jun 2014

Congress is the Legislature, that is, they write laws. They also have the power to accept or deny appointments made by the President -- appointments to federal courts, among other things. Congress also has the "power of the purse," that is, they can withhold money from the budget for things they don't like, as well as enacting a budget sent down by the President.

This particular group, however, contains too many people who don't believe in governance at all -- that is, the radical right wing Tea Party. That's a big reason nothing of substance is getting done at the present time.

Legal issues of various kinds make their way up through a large Federal court system, and the Supreme Court can decide which cases to let stand and which to consider themselves. When the SCOTUS does accept a case, what they do with it is interpret the body of US laws based in the Constitution and its Amendments. (The first 10 Amendments were enacted by Congress early on and those are the ones called the Bill of Rights.)

They don't actually write laws, but they can certainly bend them by their interpretations. All kinds of repercussions can take place from then on, as in the Civil Rights Movement being strengthened by Supreme Court decisions on something as simple as access to public education.

The President doesn't write laws either, though he can have bills sent to Congress for their deliberation. He's supposed to see that laws are executed -- his is the Executive branch. And he can appoint new Supreme Court Justices when there is a vacancy.

This is why each branch is so critical in this process. Too many Americans really don't understand how it's done. Many elected officials come and go in Washington DC as their electoral fortunes wax and wane, but Supreme Court Justices are not elected-- they are appointed for life.

That's one reason why it's so critical to take the presidential election seriously and not waste our time tearing down every Democratic potential candidate. Debate is one thing. Important information is one thing. But giving the opposition fuel for their own attacks is something else entirely.

BlindTiresias

(1,563 posts)
26. To be fair
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:58 PM
Jun 2014

The original constitution does favor an oligarchy, which historically was composed of wealthy white men. It would not be entirely out of the question and historically unprecedented for the progressivism we have experienced to be an aberration and wane enough to see our society and government default back to the old manner of running things.

TBF

(32,004 posts)
34. I agree - it was written by white male land owners -
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 08:06 AM
Jul 2014

who actually stole and pillaged that land from the original inhabitants. Major rehauling at a minimum.

Anyone defending "the founders" is part of the problem.

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