...kids on food stamps/welfare.

...kids needing an education.

...kids needing health care.

...other people's kids that no one gives a damn about. It's all about the women.

I remember that thread, one of the greats.

For the war machine.

Since stoning is no longer chic and acceptable, what better way to punish them by forcing them to either a) not have sex b) force them to have babies?

Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man. Thomas Paine

What with needing birth control and all ... Oh, wait. I forgot. It's OKAY for males to have sex ... but not with naughty ladies ... oh, my, this all gets so confusing when one is being a misogynistic jerk.

Boys will be boys...but, naughty ladies are sluts.

No birth control, no male and female sex...Women are always blamed for getting pregnant. As if she was alone when she got that way.

began about denying contraception. No birth control = no male/female sex. This would also eliminate the need for coverage for boner pills.

Since viagra IS employer approved.

That being said, this is a bullshit decision

Glad you're here! The more new members we have, it's (HOPEFULLY!) just that many more who can urge their friends and family to VOTE!!! It may simply come down to that! We CANNOT sit this one out. Believe me - the other side sure won't. But there are more of us than there are of them and if we flexed our numerical muscle at the polls every time, we'd have pro-choice Dems and rational thinking in every position possible.

the welcome. I've been on here for a bit, but I don't get to post as often as I would like. I absolutely agree with what you are saying. There is power in numbers and we have that advantage over them. I WILL NOT sit this one out and I won't allow the people that I know to sit it out either.

a post a mutual friend had made.

And here is what she said:

why should ANYbody but a person pay for anybody ELSE' sexcapades xxxxx (my name)?

Best way to reduce abortions as well as STDs.

And how a previous pope went to Africa to announce to the world that condoms didn't work... Or were evil Satan's idea... Or something like that. It didn't matter that The Holy See -- who apparently couldn't -- eventually disavowed that pronouncement. The damage had been done.

god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, certainly one of the best religious polemics since Thomas Paine (of whom author Christopher Hitchens also wrote a biography).

Oh, and by the way...
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Women who die from botched abortions in the back alley.

Children who die from malnutrition.

Society will die from lack of common sense.

I have three grand-daughters, the oldest is eleven years old. My heart is in knots for them.

At least in the 1950s we made significant advances in medical care - which these dimwits don't seem to recognize.

abortions performed by anyone willing to take the chance of not getting caught, of rich women traveling halfway around the world to have an abortion done by a real doctor in a safe hospital setting.
Is that what we want to return to?

It's the very reason it was made legal in the 1st place.

I fear I may be leaving the church soon.

Just do it.

He told this story about driving a bleeding young woman to the hospital. She was hemorrhaging. Pretty much all over the back seat of his car. She'd sought a back-alley abortion that went bed, as most of them do, and she was actually on the verge of dying. He was a very moral very conservative gent. But that made him decide that safe and legal abortions were something that was needed - because they kept young women of childbearing age ALIVE and HEALTHY, so they could eventually have those babies and care for them and afford to raise them. Chances are if you were lucky enough to survive a back-alley abortion, you were often rendered infertile for the rest of your life. Wire coat hangers anyone?

someone wrote a novel addressing this. I could swear the title was "The Afternoon Women" but I cannot seem to find a book by that title.

The events of the novel definitely take place before Roe v Wade. A doctor, whose daughter died from a botched illegal abortion gradually comes around to understand the need for abortions, and over time starts doing them. In the afternoons. Everyone in his city knows he does them, and for years he's left alone. There's a crisis when someone, a politician, a police chief, I don't recall the details, decides to shut him down.

And the reason he starts doing the abortions is because some time, maybe a year or so, a young pregnant woman goes to him asking him to perform one for her and he refuses, as he's opposed to abortion altogether. She says to him, "I thought after what happened to your daughter you'd understand." She goes away, but her remark forces him to rethink everything, and he realizes that he can save lives by doing proper medical abortions.

I wish I could recall when the book came out, or it's correct title. If anyone knows, please share.

The afternoon women Hardcover
by Lael Tucker Wertenbaker (Author)


http://www.amazon.com/afternoon-women-Lael-Tucker-Wertenbaker/dp/B0007E1C2E/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404212965&sr=1-2&keywords=afternoon+abortion

I googled the name as I was writing my above post and it did not show up.

I recall the book as being powerful, especially as it was written at a time when Roe v Wade was still unimaginable. I'm reminded of the power of Uncle Tom's Cabin, written at a time when it seemed slavery would last forever.

is more population for more profits.

Since Ellen Page has come out as rainbowed.

I guess the photo refers to her character in "Juno" though.

Sometimes, lesbians need birth control too.

And many times, women use the same medication for non-birth-control reasons.

lesbians can and do have babies

Though they are obviously entitled to birth control too fit whatever reason they please.

very intentionally they can seek sperm donors

Of course there are women who consider themselves lesbian but are occasionally bi, so contraceptives would be needed.

which can effect *any* women.

They're too busy painting women who use birth control as sluts who can't control themselves (see Limbaugh, Rush -- Sandra Fluke.)

I'm curious to know if there is any comparable medical benefit to Viagra, Cialis, etc. Thought not. But those medications are perfectly okay, and if insurance can't pay for them, Big Pharma will help! Because they're just so....needed.

Abortion has never been about "saving the babies."

It's always been about women having (gasp!) SEX.

If it didn't involve sex, the FundyCons wouldn't give a shit about it. For example, in-vitro fertilization results in some two dozen unused fetuses which are (or will be) eventually destroyed. You never hear about anti-abortionists picketing in-vitro fertilization clinics, do you.

No sex = no problem for the FundyCons.

Good to have you with us! Great point you make, too. It's all about sex. We all suffer the curse of the Puritans. Latter-day Puritans in this case. And when it's also a tool to further hamstring women, even better! Because everybody knows we women just can't make our own decisions now, can we? I'm surprised they even trust us with the grocery shopping or the house-cleaning...

In counting the days until some of them meet their demise...Couldn't come fast enough for me.

The honestly believe by utilizing these 4 forms of medication, abortions were already taking place.

Render what is Caesar's unto Caesar and what is God's unto God, so that would be the religious reasoning re: taxes.

As for the HL case, I have no answer-I'm still reeling from the SCOTUS decision.

other religious beliefs that could be harmful to one's health, like transfusions.

It's the Having Sex While Female--or Even Making Us Think About You Ladies Having Sex Even Though Birth Control Medicine is Used to Treat Medical Conditions Too-- And Trying to Get Away With It Without Proper Punishment thingy that the Highest Court in the Nation specifically ruled on.

Welcome to a reality based community, imho.

This thread is about women's rights, not about Adam's or anyones' religious beliefs. We women have benefited from men who stand up for us, with the help of friends like Mr. Pitt.

But then, the challenge for them will be to stop taking boner pills. Boner pills are marketed primarily to old men who are past the age of starting/making babies. Their primary function is to keep old men able to get it up so they can have recreational sex. So if people are only to have sex for procreation, then boner pills MUST be taken off the markets immediately.

So boner pills are A-OK

Thank you, WilliamPitt! You are absolutely correct.

they would come for contraceptives. I'm really sorry that I was right.

It isn't about women's health, fetuses or human life - it is about men controlling women's destinies since we can do something they cannot - bring new life into this world. The resentment that for all of the things that they think they are, that is one thing they are not.

It pisses off some men to no end, and they will do anything to control the uterus that they don't have.

They have foresaken reason, logic and facts eons ago.

I simply will apply a religious test to businesses - those that profess none and take no overt acts of evangelizing will have a chance to earn my business. Those - like the Hobby Lobby - that cannot help themselves or use religion as a bullshit excuse to not participate in the health care system or provide adequate and comprehensive women's health care options will get nothing but negative feedback from me on every forum possible - word of mouth, reviews, chat boards, signatures on forums, BBB, advertising, billboards, graffiti, TV and radio call in shows. I will go out of my way to hurt their business until such time as they stop openly advocating a religious position as terms for doing business with them.

I have a cautionary tale for these Jeebus freaks. About 10 years ago, in the Missouri town I am sentenced to...err, I mean I live in, there opened a "Chirstian" bookstore. BIG sign out front...HUGE lobby and way more square feet than they needed. They put this thing in a strip mall that was situated right next to the entrance to the public library for the county (not by accident I assure you). At first, they seemed to be busy and doing well, but within 16 months the place was gone and the signs and lobbies and inventory liquidated...these X-tian freaks may feel "called by Jeebus" all they want AT HOME, IN CHURCH, IN THEIR CAR, WITH THEIR OWN KIDS...I have nothing to say about it until you first say it to me. After which I will no longer darken the doorstep of your establishment!

(hint: it clearly says there is none)

It ain't the moral high ground. It's the love of money. We women are just the pieces they can get away with moving around to get it...until we organize.

As women are likely a majority of their customers, they could easily put them out of business. And I sincerely hope they do.

Yeah Hobby Dunces. I hope God puts a gold star next to your names. Of course, for all the unwanted, abused, aborted souls you've assured passage to, you might get something other than a gold star.

As I've said before.... IF there comes to pass, a "rapture" one day - there's gonna be a whole HELL of a bunch of disappointed folks wondering why they've been left behind. Five of them, for sure, we'll be wearing black robes.

support their family?

Somehow I'm thinking that's not a part of their religious beliefs.

Their goal is and always has been to use the state to control women.

the early part of the 20th century and late 19th century. That's what these motherfuckers want.

lets' show our power...BOYCOTT HOBBY LOBBY and lets stay with it...We had Limbaugh on the ropes and let him off...Lets Not Do The same !!!!

Boycott Hobby Lobby

(you know.. "every sperm is sacred&quot

I'm so tired of what is happening to privacy, whether it be between a woman and her physician or talking about it here.

the negative effect this will have on Republicans come next election. Republicans will be associated with undermining womens right to contraception. That will play in favor of Democrats. When that Republican light bulb finally goes on, they will be very pissed or probably at the most confused.

When dumbass Papa John said he'd lay people off, when an Applebee's franchise said he'd lay people off, because ACA went into effect, I stopped being a customer. I don't want to get into quality of pizza or food. I ate at both occasionally, a treat for a retired woman who cooks like a grandma 25 days out of 30. But any company that demeans me or my sex or my humanity is on my boycott list. I never shopped at Hobby Lobby, and now I never will. I wish I could boycott the idiots on the Supreme Court who ignore 50 to 51% of the humans in America.

We need to remember that the people really running the Republican party don't really give a fuck about abortion. In fact they really don't want a lot of Medicaid babies, preemies, fetal alcohol syndrome, and otherwise deathly sick or addicted babies jamming up the neonatal intensive care and jacking up their state deficits. They would look like the reptillian slime they are if they shut off the oxygen and IVs on 18 oz preemies and hydrocephalics that would otherwise have been aborted. But they need these dimbulbed single issue voters and they needed a win to keep them juiced on the Republican brand. So this little victory does the trick and doesn't do much of anything else except fuck over the women of Hobby Lobby who will have to find other ways to get birth control. Of course it is wrong. It is also cynical as hell on their part because they know the Supremes will never outlaw abortion for the reason mentioned above. But they have to look like they will or the jig is up. The republican state legislatures are doing all the heavy lifting against abortions and SCOTUS has done nothing but tease them along, knowing they can shut it all down if it gets out of control and expensive.

Meanwhile the Republican controllers will make sure that their Lindseys, Ashleys and Penelopes have the best contraception money can buy and quick trips to Canada or even a write off trip to France should she forget her pill. This also is an issue that will frustrate and exhaust our activists so that is a bonus for them.

The goal is to restrict abortion and contraception within the bounds of the constitution (easier than you think) simultaneously. This is not a contradiction, this is intentional.

harangued as they try to enter a Planned Parenthood clinic.

I guess it's too late to ask now, but did anyone ever ask any insurance company if rates for Policy A would actually go down if coverage for contraceptives were removed from Policy A?

Pregnancy and its' complications are a lot more expensive than contraceptives.

deny women their rights. This is not about a balanced judicial opinion. It is not helpful in mending the fabric of our diverse society, nor a reflection of equal rights under the rule of law.

I attended university during the bad old days of illegal abortions. For those with money, a physician could be found at a price. For those without money, well, these are not my stories to tell.

I have been a fierce supporter of birth control for many reasons, including the welfare of unborn children, preventing stds, and women's reproductive health. Some fools think they can legislate a religious morality, shria law, that goes against the physical well being of men and women.

Sex is not evil. I object to the condemnation hiding behind the curtain of religion/faith. It is the stereotypical response of old men, especially those of privilege and the wannabees of both sexes.