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G_j

(40,366 posts)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:27 PM Jun 2014

Jindal approved law allowing loaded guns into bars---9shot 2Critical-

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/30/1310525/-Two-Shooters-Get-in-Gun-Fight-Bourbon-Street-9shot-1Critical-Bobby-Jindal-Approves-This-Behavior?detail=facebook

Jun 30, 2014

The Times-Picayune in New Orleans is reporting that at approximately 2:45AM two men got into a gun fight with each other, turned and open fired at a crowd of patrons on Bourbon Street, New Orleans, Louisiana. The shooting left nine injured and one in critically condition.

New Orleans police Superintendent Ronal Serpas said "two cowardly young men" were responsible for the carnage, which sent bystanders diving into bustling bars and nightclubs for cover, and others crawling into open storefronts as they bled.
In May of this year, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) approved a law allowing gun-humpers to bring their loaded guns into bars & restaurants that serve alcohol.
The Times-Picayune in New Orleans went on to report:

Police confirmed some of the victims were tourists, wounded in the 700 block of Bourbon Street when two men got into a gunfight around 2:45 a.m. No arrests have been made.

Last year, when Bobby Jindal signed 6 gun bills into law he wrote:

BOBBY JINDAL: "We're not just signing a few bills -- we're also celebrating the Sportsman's Paradise and American values,"

..more..

USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/30/bourbon-street-shooting/11805841/
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Jindal approved law allowing loaded guns into bars---9shot 2Critical- (Original Post) G_j Jun 2014 OP
"celebrating the Sportsman's Paradise and American values" elleng Jun 2014 #1
I have no opinion, this is DU pro gun territory, I dont want to upset the gun folks randys1 Jun 2014 #31
I don't coddle gun folks, elleng Jun 2014 #49
+1 brer cat Jun 2014 #68
Don't have to coddle. How about debate? Argument? Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #103
Yes, and you may be here, elleng Jun 2014 #105
Elleng, the gunz-kontrol issue is the best freebie ever given the GOP. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #108
I am not, have not, and will not lash out. elleng Jun 2014 #109
I agree with you in Jindal. The complete ass. Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #157
of course you think there should be a debate about loaded guns in bars CreekDog Jun 2014 #111
Ha! Creates the debate terms, assigns folks to either side... Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #115
Guns, booze, and 2:00 AM what could go wrong? Botany Jun 2014 #73
Just celebrating the sportsman paradise of a major American city with some American values neverforget Jun 2014 #2
Just like Georgia where billh58 Jun 2014 #3
Holy crap! kentuck Jun 2014 #4
YOUR street, at the rate we're going. calimary Jun 2014 #51
Way to go, Booby KamaAina Jun 2014 #5
Maybe he should sue himself for negligence davidpdx Jun 2014 #80
Wow, really smart Jindal. SummerSnow Jun 2014 #6
Where are the gunners? They're normally here lickety split. BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #7
In a city racked with gang violence hack89 Jun 2014 #15
Oh, glad you made it BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #16
So you have some amplifying facts that the rest of us are not privy to? hack89 Jun 2014 #17
Did you read the part about the law where it is legal to carry a weapon into a bar? BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #23
In one of the most violent cities in the world hack89 Jun 2014 #30
I'm gob-smacked Caretha Jun 2014 #52
guns are allowed in many states where achohol Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #55
As my grandmother used to say.... Caretha Jun 2014 #59
no you just called Hack89 Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #70
I. Called. No. One. On. This. Forum. A. Name. Caretha Jun 2014 #93
with all due respect I will disagree Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #94
Thank you for Caretha Jun 2014 #97
So coward is not an insult in your world? nt hack89 Jul 2014 #126
The law has nothing to do with the shootings hack89 Jun 2014 #58
I guess my post got some of you Caretha Jun 2014 #61
Insane as hell - it is a deadly combination. Nt hack89 Jun 2014 #63
We can agree on that Caretha Jun 2014 #65
yep insane Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #71
It started in the bar BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #81
The OP doesn't say where it started hack89 Jun 2014 #84
That's why assuming it was gang related is tenuous BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #87
In violent, gang invested city with a sky high murder rate hack89 Jun 2014 #90
appears to have started outside the bar Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #91
that isn't what the article says TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #88
The actual crime rate has gone down in NOLA. NOLALady Jul 2014 #152
BrotherIvan never said the magic words "Concealed Carry" LiberalArkie Jun 2014 #33
The laws in question only apply to concealed carry. hack89 Jun 2014 #37
Because Bourbon Street is SO gang turf KamaAina Jun 2014 #104
It is a very violent place hack89 Jul 2014 #128
New Orleans, yes. KamaAina Jul 2014 #138
Bourbon Street Bars Want Something Done About Street Violence hack89 Jul 2014 #144
Brother Ivan's powers of prediction are pedestrian. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #106
Let's watch those tourist dollars leave the border as these impromptu gun fights continue Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #8
paranoid gun humpers and liquor Skittles Jun 2014 #9
Nothing to see here, just patriotic Americans exercising their 2nd amendment rights... Coventina Jun 2014 #10
Reason secondvariety Jun 2014 #11
Gee, I'd LOVE to hear the other 546. KamaAina Jun 2014 #12
It would be really nice to see the bystander victims sue Piyish and everyone in his office Doctor_J Jun 2014 #13
+100 n/t billh58 Jun 2014 #18
Don't you need some basic information first? hack89 Jun 2014 #19
I have some basic information. Jindal decided that in rooms crowded with drunks, guns would be Doctor_J Jun 2014 #22
What does that have to do with the OP? hack89 Jun 2014 #24
In the south, just open a classified section of the local paper and you can buy a LiberalArkie Jun 2014 #36
Not if the shooters were underaged or felons. hack89 Jun 2014 #38
I am sorry, but you wrong. An individual can purchase a weapon from another individual. LiberalArkie Jul 2014 #122
and it is against federal and state law Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #123
Such sales to prohibited people is illegal under state and federal law. nt hack89 Jul 2014 #125
So if you are a shooter Caretha Jun 2014 #64
Please read the entire sub thread before jumping in hack89 Jun 2014 #66
Last time I checked Caretha Jun 2014 #67
You can't sue Jindal for a gang shooting hack89 Jun 2014 #72
You assume a great deal. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #76
We also know the shooting was not in a bar hack89 Jun 2014 #77
I never stated it was in a bar. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #78
What is the most likely scenario though? hack89 Jun 2014 #79
I refrain from forming an opinion without any further information. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #83
The entire OP twists the truth to push an agenda hack89 Jun 2014 #85
I hear New Orleans is nice this time of year. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #86
Too violent - their murder rate is 10 times the national average hack89 Jun 2014 #89
And now you know why the rest of us have a problem with guns everywhere. Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #133
Yet even New Orleans has seen significant drops in gun violence hack89 Jul 2014 #135
If you want to sue, sue the punk-thugs who committed the crime. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #102
So in a city racked with gang violence hack89 Jun 2014 #14
Thanks for weighing in. You and Open Carry enthusiasts are doing more for flamin lib Jun 2014 #32
I oppose open carry hack89 Jun 2014 #34
Well, to begin with I have no reason to believe otherwise. flamin lib Jun 2014 #99
If they were underaged or felons then the purchase would not be legal hack89 Jul 2014 #124
How do you know that they were underage or felons? What information do you have flamin lib Jul 2014 #141
"Just you wait" - the motto of gun control for 20 years. hack89 Jul 2014 #143
Still waiting to find out how you know what you seem to know and why you're so quick flamin lib Jul 2014 #145
I was only pointing out that the OP twisted the truth to support an agenda. hack89 Jul 2014 #146
So you've been passive in your support for UBC? flamin lib Jul 2014 #147
There are other issues facing America, you know hack89 Jul 2014 #148
Ahhh, still can't be bothered to send an email, huh? Walking and chewing gum . . . nt flamin lib Jul 2014 #149
RI is a small state. I get to meet my congressmen face to face hack89 Jul 2014 #150
The point you seem to miss is that it isn't Universal flamin lib Jul 2014 #153
Oh well hack89 Jul 2014 #155
Karma continues to be a bitch. trof Jun 2014 #20
Dangerously stupid rickyhall Jun 2014 #21
Two Cowardly Young Men??? otohara Jun 2014 #25
Loaded guns in bars: good. Loaded guns at gun shows: bad. Paladin Jun 2014 #26
Good thing this shooting was not in a bar. Nt hack89 Jun 2014 #40
Oh sure! Let's go outside and shoot tourist. nt abakan Jun 2014 #48
Or let's settle a drug turf war hack89 Jun 2014 #62
They should also be constitutionally protected to be carried into the La state house. ancianita Jun 2014 #27
The Stupid Party gives us The Stupid Gov Rhinodawg Jun 2014 #28
I was stationed in N.O. when I was in the C.G., yortsed snacilbuper Jun 2014 #29
Were the shooters even inside a bar? Its not explicitly stated so in the article. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #35
no, the shooting was on Bourbon Street TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #41
It started in the bar BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #92
Maybe so, but the shooting appears to have been in the street aikoaiko Jul 2014 #114
They got into a "disagreement" in a bar BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #116
once again you post a link that does NOT say what you claim it does TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #120
Yes I disagree with what this thread is about. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #121
see my reply to yours claiming that it started in a bar TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #118
Does it matter that the shooters were actually in the street and not in a bar? hack89 Jun 2014 #39
not according to the DKOS source TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #42
Here's USA Today LynneSin Jun 2014 #46
At 2:45AM on Bourbon Street these people were probably in bars drinking... LynneSin Jun 2014 #44
Or they were criminals selling drugs outside the bar hack89 Jun 2014 #54
What makes you so sure Caretha Jun 2014 #96
In either case they are criminals hack89 Jun 2014 #98
So now you know they Caretha Jun 2014 #100
You brought up drug dealers in bars hack89 Jul 2014 #129
and you know this how? Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #56
I love that Sportman's Paradise of Drunk Human Hunting.... LynneSin Jun 2014 #43
What none of the gun crowd will tell you... abakan Jun 2014 #45
Curious predicament you describe... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #107
I'm not asking anyone to disarm.. abakan Jul 2014 #142
Well, you set up another dichotemy. There is an actual Right to keep and BEAR arms... Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #156
Hey Bobby! Go barhopping and hunting with Cheney! muntrv Jun 2014 #47
But guns keep us safe, don't they? SheilaT Jun 2014 #50
What we need is a good drunk w/a gun to handle the bad drunk w/a gun. Botany Jun 2014 #74
it'll take more than one incident to wake people up 0rganism Jun 2014 #53
"Sportman's Paradise"? You mean they are hunting tourists in Louisiana? McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #57
The Casualties Of 2nd Amendment Defenders On Display For All To See cantbeserious Jun 2014 #60
I went to new orleans for the very first time last year. I will never go back. Javaman Jun 2014 #69
No trips to New Orleans... usafvet65 Jun 2014 #75
Bourbon Street, New Orleans is major tourist central Sunlei Jun 2014 #82
we're also celebrating the Sportsman's Paradise and American values," mercuryblues Jun 2014 #95
Jindal and his backers always speak of how "intelligent" he is, he refuses to accept the Medicaid Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #101
Gee alcohol must impact caution who would have guessed? gordianot Jun 2014 #110
I wish there were more repukes Ilsa Jul 2014 #112
"Gun Humpers" = "Packing Contageon" SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2014 #113
The shooting did not take place in a bar. former9thward Jul 2014 #119
Bourbon street is as crowded as a bar... lame54 Jul 2014 #127
So people never carry illegal guns on Burbon Street? hack89 Jul 2014 #131
how many of these shootings take place on bourbon street... lame54 Jul 2014 #132
Bourbon Street Bars Want Something Done About Street Violence hack89 Jul 2014 #134
I'll bow out now... lame54 Jul 2014 #139
The law had nothing to do with what happened. former9thward Jul 2014 #136
Not deflecting... lame54 Jul 2014 #140
Their sportsman's paradise trumps the deads right to life. liberal N proud Jul 2014 #130
Another billboard ad coming up malaise Jul 2014 #137
10 NOLALady Jul 2014 #151
This will be so great for tourism! get the red out Jul 2014 #154

randys1

(16,286 posts)
31. I have no opinion, this is DU pro gun territory, I dont want to upset the gun folks
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:55 PM
Jun 2014

I will just keep letting the numbers add up, needless death from guns...every day

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
103. Don't have to coddle. How about debate? Argument?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:15 PM
Jun 2014

We're here, elleng, and will be here tomorrow.

elleng

(130,133 posts)
105. Yes, and you may be here,
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:17 PM
Jun 2014

and remain. I don't want to coddle, but I surely don't want to argue, so I won't participate.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
108. Elleng, the gunz-kontrol issue is the best freebie ever given the GOP.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:46 PM
Jun 2014

Perhaps you realize the "issue's" insolubility, and are lashing out at folks who aren't your enemy. I just don't know. But there is No positive or benefit to come from this thread and dozens more howls like this. Same old, same old.

See you next posting.

elleng

(130,133 posts)
109. I am not, have not, and will not lash out.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:50 PM
Jun 2014

Jindal is a fool. Unfortunately, there are many like him.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
111. of course you think there should be a debate about loaded guns in bars
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:53 PM
Jun 2014

of course you do.

of all the things to debate, things that really are so difficult to decide that they need a debate on DU...

guns in bars.

from the poster who named himself after his hero --a gun.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
115. Ha! Creates the debate terms, assigns folks to either side...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:17 AM
Jul 2014

and says its from Eleanors38. You forgot the air quotes, but I forgive, for thouest know not what thouest do.

neverforget

(9,433 posts)
2. Just celebrating the sportsman paradise of a major American city with some American values
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:43 PM
Jun 2014

thrown in for good measure.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
3. Just like Georgia where
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:46 PM
Jun 2014

the good old boys ride to the bar in their pick 'em up trucks and wear their big old guns for all to see. There ain't no problem that can't be solved with a gun y'all...

calimary

(80,693 posts)
51. YOUR street, at the rate we're going.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:33 PM
Jun 2014

YOUR street. That's where. These assholes won't rest until that happens. Which is why WE can't rest either, until we stop them! Or at least slow them the hell down!!!

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
6. Wow, really smart Jindal.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:54 PM
Jun 2014

What a great combination...a bunch of drunk people with guns.

Jindal watches too many Westerns

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
7. Where are the gunners? They're normally here lickety split.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:57 PM
Jun 2014

Because they can't say this story is a year old? Will they try to claim that these shootings don't "count". Will they try to say that these were bad guys with guns, not good guys with guns? Will they claim we're just being emotional? That guns don't really kill people? That all this could have happened with a knife?

Waiting for the NRA talking points to come over the intertubes?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
15. In a city racked with gang violence
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:37 PM
Jun 2014

Why is your first instinct to blame legal concealed gun carriers? Do you have facts not stated in the OP?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. So you have some amplifying facts that the rest of us are not privy to?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:41 PM
Jun 2014

Or did you pull it out of your butt again?

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
23. Did you read the part about the law where it is legal to carry a weapon into a bar?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jun 2014

You have pulled the idea that they are gang members out of your ass, but thanks for projecting. They could have legally obtained these guns at a gun show or on the corner as another post stated this week. It doesn't matter. The argument that these people are criminals, which now they of course are, is irrelevant. What is relevant is easy access to guns means there are too many guns in public. Period.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
30. In one of the most violent cities in the world
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:54 PM
Jun 2014

With a murder rate much higher than the national average, who, by several orders of magnitudes, is the more likely shooter?

Guns seem to short circuit logic here for some reason.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
52. I'm gob-smacked
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:34 PM
Jun 2014

by your inability to read, comprehend or put 2 + 2 together.

But I'm willing to help being who I am

Guns + alcohol are a very very bad combo.

Are you for the laws that fat fuck face Republican nitwit Jindal signed? Are you his brother & supporter? If so why the hell are you still here on DU?

If not, you got some splainin' to do. Guns do not belong in bars. Guns do not belong in banks. Guns do not belong in schools. Guns belong in very few places really.

If you have the nerve and the ability to reply to this post, you can tell me where you think guns are appropriate & inappropriate.

I expect crickets though, because most cowards won't answer these questions. Cowards think their guns make 'em big men with big penis'.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
55. guns are allowed in many states where achohol
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:42 PM
Jun 2014

is consumed, mainly restaurants. Bars not so much but even then it is usually against the law already to drink while having a firearm. Since we do not know all of the facts, unless you know more than what is in the OP, we have no idea if this is even related to the law. I will wait on facts. Nice name calling though and even better to get the penis reference in also, must make you so very proud.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
59. As my grandmother used to say....
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jun 2014

If the shoe fits...wear it.



I called you no names, but if you feel uneasy, you might want to think about it.

I hold "no truck" with Republicans nor do I trust their ability to govern.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
70. no you just called Hack89
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:12 PM
Jun 2014

one as you were in a back and forth with him at the time. Not very nice.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
94. with all due respect I will disagree
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:17 PM
Jun 2014

your response to Hack89...

by your inability to read, comprehend or put 2 + 2 together.

But I'm willing to help being who I am

Guns + alcohol are a very very bad combo.

Are you for the laws that fat fuck face Republican nitwit Jindal signed? Are you his brother & supporter? If so why the hell are you still here on DU?

If not, you got some splainin' to do. Guns do not belong in bars. Guns do not belong in banks. Guns do not belong in schools. Guns belong in very few places really.

If you have the nerve and the ability to reply to this post, you can tell me where you think guns are appropriate & inappropriate.

I expect crickets though, because most cowards won't answer these questions. Cowards think their guns make 'em big men with big penis'.

to me it seems pretty inclusive to the poster you responded to, not very generic language that I see.

That's fine, have great evening.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
97. Thank you for
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:24 PM
Jun 2014

highlighting my post.

Again, I didn't call anyone any names. I am still hearing crickets though. Which tells me that hack is unable to defend his position.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
58. The law has nothing to do with the shootings
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:45 PM
Jun 2014

The shootings were in the street, in a city infested with gang and drug violence. The odds were that the shooters were gang members. That is who is doing the killing in NO, not legal gun carriers.

That being said, I do not support guns in bars. But this shooting was not in a bar.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
61. I guess my post got some of you
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:47 PM
Jun 2014

"riled up"....hmm

So you agree that Jindal signing laws that allow people to carry guns into bars is insane?

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
65. We can agree on that
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:54 PM
Jun 2014

Now...

do not give any of these Republican asshats any leeway or we'll become the land of "No Laws and anything goes".

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
81. It started in the bar
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:54 PM
Jun 2014

It's funny, you are so hyped up to support guns in every thread, you seem to be supporting a law you call insane.

I AGREE THIS LAW IS INSANE!

The biggest disagreement I see between gunners and control-freaks like myself, is restricting easy access to guns. You think somehow it will effect you. But if you are as responsible with your guns as you say, it won't. People who support "responsible" gun ownership should be howling that idiots are getting a hold of guns and shooting people. The tactic of supporting guns no matter what does no good. We should all be working to make sure that yahoos and idiots don't have guns. Because they do not know how to safely handle a lethal weapon. I'm so confused why so-called Democratic-leaning 2A defenders don't get that.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
84. The OP doesn't say where it started
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:58 PM
Jun 2014

I support all laws that prevent criminals from having guns - with two exceptions. I do not support an AWB or registration.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
87. That's why assuming it was gang related is tenuous
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:05 PM
Jun 2014

And a bit of a dog whistle. They weren't just shooting at each other, they shot innocent bystanders.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/surveillance-videos-capture-mayhem-bourbon-street-gunmen-open-fire-injuring-9-video-article-1.1849309

There is a photo of a victim inside the bar. They locked the doors and helped her after the gunman walked out.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
90. In violent, gang invested city with a sky high murder rate
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:08 PM
Jun 2014

Assuming it was gang related is not tenuous. Who the hell else is committing the majority of murders?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
117. that isn't what the article says
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:30 AM
Jul 2014

The article said that the shooting happened at the corner of Bourbon Street and Orleans...

The videos, one shot from a camera perched above Bourbon Street and another taken inside a bar, showed panicked revelers scattering for cover after the shooting started near the corner of Bourbon and Orleans at around 2:45 a.m.

The photo of the woman in the Tropical Isle bar occurred when she stumbled into the bar seeking cover and help for having been shot in the stomach OUT ON THE STREET. It does NOT say that any gunman was ever in the Tropical Isle bar or that they locked the doors when he walked out. The injured woman was shot on the street and went into the bar for cover and help...

Several bystanders scurried through the open doors of the Tropical Isle Original, on the corner of Bourbon and Toulouse, a second video that appeared on local KDVR-TV showed.

"I was in the back of the bar taking a cigarette break and all of a sudden I heard a lot of gunshots. It had to be more than eight of them," a bartender named Jimmy told the station.

One of the victims was a 19-year-old woman from Arkansas, who was shot in the stomach and ended up sprawled out on the Tropical Isle's floor.


The photo of the woman as she stumbled into the bar (you can see the open door behind her) is further down the page. The first photo at the top of the page shows the same woman after she collapsed onto the floor and the staff locked the Tropical's door.

Nothing at all in the article says that one of the gunman was IN the Tropical Isle bar nor that the staff closed and locked the door after he left as you claim.

If you're going to use an article to back up what you claim it's a good idea that what the article says actually DOES back up your claim. Because it DOESN'T. In fact, it REFUTES what you claim.

Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #81)

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
152. The actual crime rate has gone down in NOLA.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jul 2014
http://theadvocate.com/news/neworleans/neworleansnews/7981256-123/new-orleans-murders-lowest-in



"Some criminologists believe the reduction is evidence that the city might have finally gotten a handle on its murder epidemic, born in the 1960s and 1970s in neighborhoods plagued by poverty, poor education, shoddy prosecutions and a proliferation of guns, drugs and gangs.

“We’re now beginning in 2014 to grow out of that, to mature,” said Dee Wood Harper, a professor emeritus of sociology and criminology at Loyola University. “It looks to me like the culture is beginning to change.”

hack89

(39,171 posts)
37. The laws in question only apply to concealed carry.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:07 PM
Jun 2014

It is what the thread is about. Otherwise it is just another crime completely unrelated to the laws Jindal just passed.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
144. Bourbon Street Bars Want Something Done About Street Violence
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jul 2014
Early Sunday morning, gunfire erupted on the World-famous Bourbon street and now businesses in the area are fed up with the lack of safety.

The last thing he wants is his customers not to feel safe. On busy nights there are 10 security guards on-site and they have surveillance cameras.

“This isn’t the first incident of guns on Bourbon,” he said.

Businesses have had enough and want the City of New Orleans to do more to protect everyone.



http://wgno.com/2014/06/30/bourbon-street-bars-want-something-done-about-street-violence/#ixzz36DnXIGBn

Once a decade? How about a year ago?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/bourbon-street-shooting-2_n_2657016.html


Or 2011?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/new-orleans-halloween-shooting_n_1070305.html
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
106. Brother Ivan's powers of prediction are pedestrian.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:24 PM
Jun 2014

Some still post gun topics in the proper group(s) instead of Guns-Dogs, so there is understandable delay which allows for the usual "talking-point" preen & strut, aye?


Coventina

(26,853 posts)
10. Nothing to see here, just patriotic Americans exercising their 2nd amendment rights...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:18 PM
Jun 2014

Any bellyachers are clearly treasonous scumbags!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
13. It would be really nice to see the bystander victims sue Piyish and everyone in his office
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jun 2014

for wrongful death or attempted murder. Maybe every single legislator who voted for it.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
19. Don't you need some basic information first?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:42 PM
Jun 2014

Like who were the shooters and were their guns legal?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
22. I have some basic information. Jindal decided that in rooms crowded with drunks, guns would be
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jun 2014

a good idea. I would like to see him defend his decision against a lawsuit brought by victims of it.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
24. What does that have to do with the OP?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:51 PM
Jun 2014

We are talking about one the most violent cities in the country with a huge gang problem. With the complete lack of any real details, why would one assume for a second that this law has anything to do with this shooting?

LiberalArkie

(15,686 posts)
36. In the south, just open a classified section of the local paper and you can buy a
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:06 PM
Jun 2014

gun from an individual. So it is a legal purchase.

LiberalArkie

(15,686 posts)
122. I am sorry, but you wrong. An individual can purchase a weapon from another individual.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 06:52 AM
Jul 2014

Sure it might not be legal for a felon to be in possession of a firearm.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
123. and it is against federal and state law
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:12 AM
Jul 2014

for the seller knowingly sell to a prohibited person. UBC may help but the black market will still be there.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
64. So if you are a shooter
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:51 PM
Jun 2014

and your gun was legal...all is well?

My goodness sakes alive! Talk about convoluted thinking.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
66. Please read the entire sub thread before jumping in
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:55 PM
Jun 2014

The post I was replying to suggested law suits against Jindal because of the law. Don't you first need to know if the law had anything to do with the shooting?

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
67. Last time I checked
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:00 PM
Jun 2014

it was still illegal to shoot someone for the heck of it.

Of course and unless you are "standin' your ground" and are afraid of kids wearing hoodies, or of course you believe like Jindal does that it is A-okay to bring guns to bars.

Do you believe it is A-okay to bring guns to bars?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
72. You can't sue Jindal for a gang shooting
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:18 PM
Jun 2014

The law forbids it.

Why are you talking about bars? This shooting was not in a bar.

And I have told you already that I oppose guns in bars. You are trying too hard to be outraged.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
76. You assume a great deal.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:30 PM
Jun 2014

Where does it say it was a gang-related shooting?

You are really trying hard to push that line with *zero* supporting evidence.

What other crapola can you make up on the spot?

For all you know, both people involved were off-duty LEO.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
77. We also know the shooting was not in a bar
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:37 PM
Jun 2014

So where does that leave us? In a city infested with gang violence and a sky high murder rate, what is the more likely scenario - a gang related crime, two cops or two legal gun owners going nuts? Logic is allowed.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
78. I never stated it was in a bar.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:41 PM
Jun 2014

And have you ever seen the type of police officer New Orleans has?

It definitely could have been two cops.


My WAG is just as valid as yours, that is, pulled out of my ass.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
79. What is the most likely scenario though?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:48 PM
Jun 2014

A 155 murders last year - the mayor fels the vast majority were gang related. Why would you think otherwise?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
83. I refrain from forming an opinion without any further information.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jun 2014

Anything else is still a wild ass guess.


Or people trying desperately to push an agenda, as it could have been two responsible firearm owners that decided to re-enact the gunfight at the OK Corral in New Orleans for the tourists.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
89. Too violent - their murder rate is 10 times the national average
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:06 PM
Jun 2014

I went 10 years ago - it was fun but once was enough.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
135. Yet even New Orleans has seen significant drops in gun violence
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:11 AM
Jul 2014

Which makes sense when you consider that we have cut our murder rate in half over the past 20 years. You have to go back 60 years to find lower rates of violent crime.

How is that possible if more guns = more violence?

You are welcome.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
102. If you want to sue, sue the punk-thugs who committed the crime.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:13 PM
Jun 2014

That's how thinks are supposed to be done. BTW, were the shooters licensed to carry concealed, and were they otherwise legally able to own guns, I.e., clean record, no mental incapacity adjudications?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. So in a city racked with gang violence
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:34 PM
Jun 2014

Your first instinct is that these were legal concealed gun carriers? Ok.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
32. Thanks for weighing in. You and Open Carry enthusiasts are doing more for
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:00 PM
Jun 2014

gun control than Blomberg's $50,000,000. Keep it up sport, I'm sure you'll convert someone to a true gun fetisist. Or not.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
34. I oppose open carry
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jun 2014

And open carry has nothing to do with this shooting either.

Now tell me why in a city with a huge gang problem and a murder rate much higher than the national average, your assumption is that these shooters were legal gun owners? What would the odds be?

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
99. Well, to begin with I have no reason to believe otherwise.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jun 2014

Consider that almost half of all gun sales take place without a background check it is likely that they bought the guns legally in a private transfer. That would make them a law abiding citizen. Unless the seller knew that they were a prohibited buyer that would make the seller a law abiding citizen.

So tell me why are you so god damned sure that otherwise is the case?

Open carry and assholes who defend guns at all costs are doing a LOT to further the cause of make sense gun control.

PLEASE contribute more to the conversation.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
124. If they were underaged or felons then the purchase would not be legal
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:17 AM
Jul 2014

criminals break gun laws every day - that's why they are criminals.

I support UBCs - my state has had them for years. Yet illegal gun sales happen all the time because criminals don't care.

PLEASE tone down the emotion and start thinking rationally.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
141. How do you know that they were underage or felons? What information do you have
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jul 2014

that leads you to the conclusion that they did not acquire their guns legally?

If you support UBC what action have you taken to support it? Made any phone calls to your congress critters? Sent any emails? Contributed to any organization working to pass UCB legislation?

Tone down? I don't fucking think so when gun fetishists continually and immediately try to make incidents like this one seem inevitable and just a cost of freedumb and liburty.

PLEASE. Keep commenting, you and the open carry idiots are doing more to promote gun control legislation than Blomberg's $50,000,000.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
145. Still waiting to find out how you know what you seem to know and why you're so quick
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:28 PM
Jul 2014

To defend guns regardless of the situation.

And to find out how much you support UBS and how you've done it.

Talking out your ass doesn't count.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
146. I was only pointing out that the OP twisted the truth to support an agenda.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jul 2014

I also pointed out the most likely source of the violence - I wouldn't call that supporting guns regardless of the situation.

I support UBS without any conditions. My state has had them for years. My Senator and representative are gun control supporting Dems that support UBCs as well - I voted for both of them.

Relax - you are trying too hard to be outraged. It is making you sound a little unhinged. Take a deep breath and actually think before you post. It will help a lot.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
147. So you've been passive in your support for UBC?
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jul 2014

Have you worked for UBC at the national level? Called your congress critters? Written any letters, emails? Contributed to any organizations working to enact UBC?

Naaaa, what you've done is talk out your ass about UBC. "I support UBC by doing . . . nothing."

hack89

(39,171 posts)
148. There are other issues facing America, you know
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:02 PM
Jul 2014

What little extra time and money I have goes to other causes.

Besides - voting for gun control supporting Dems is not doing nothing.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
150. RI is a small state. I get to meet my congressmen face to face
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jul 2014

I told them to vote for UBCs. Which they did.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
153. The point you seem to miss is that it isn't Universal
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jul 2014

if only a few states have it. If you haven't worked at the federal level you haven't worked for UNIVERSAL background checks. You just talk a good story.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
25. Two Cowardly Young Men???
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:51 PM
Jun 2014

really?

Nothing about the fucking guns and this shitty law Superintendent?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
62. Or let's settle a drug turf war
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:48 PM
Jun 2014

NO is infested with gangs and drugs. You can buy anything you want when ever you want it. It is also one of the most violent cities in the world. Who do you think are doing all that killing?

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
29. I was stationed in N.O. when I was in the C.G.,
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:54 PM
Jun 2014

we would patrol up and down the river and sometimes people would shoot at us from the levees!

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
35. Were the shooters even inside a bar? Its not explicitly stated so in the article.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:05 PM
Jun 2014

If not, then what does this incident have to do with the new laws allowing concealed carry in bars?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
41. no, the shooting was on Bourbon Street
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jun 2014

People were ducking into bars to try to avoid the mayhem.

This is why I don't think people here should use DailyKOS as though it was a news agency.

The Times-Picyune makes it clear that the shooting happened on the street, not inside a bar.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
114. Maybe so, but the shooting appears to have been in the street
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:10 AM
Jul 2014

And the start of the fight in a bar is not mentioned.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
116. They got into a "disagreement" in a bar
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:46 AM
Jul 2014

They pulled their weapons and started shooting. This thread is about how guns should not be allowed in bars. Drunken people often fight, and so adding guns into the mix is deadly.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-06-29/news/chi-new-orleans-shooting-20140629_1_new-orleans-police-department-bourbon-preservation-hall

Do you disagree with any of the above?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
120. once again you post a link that does NOT say what you claim it does
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:45 AM
Jul 2014

Nowhere in that article you link does it say that the disagreement between the two gunman started in any bar. In fact, it tends to refute that...

Two men armed with guns got into a dispute on New Orleans' famed Bourbon Street early on Sunday, opening fire on one another and wounding nine people in the vicinity, police said.

The shooting happened around 2:45 a.m. local time after the men engaged in a verbal dispute that escalated into gunfire, the department's superintendent, Ronal Serpas, told reporters.


There is not one iota of evidence in the links you've provided that either of the gunman were EVER in a bar that night or that they started arguing inside a bar before shooting at each other out in the street.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
121. Yes I disagree with what this thread is about.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 03:43 AM
Jul 2014

The OP makes it seem as if the new law allowing concealed carry in a bar had something to do with this incident and neither article described the shooters being in a bar.

I think drinking and guns is a bad mix. It may be the case that the shooters were drunk from drinking at a bar or they were sober and simply violent.

I live in a state where a licensed person can carry in a bar but not drink while carrying anywhere and there are few incidents involving licensed individuals.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
118. see my reply to yours claiming that it started in a bar
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:38 AM
Jul 2014

And that the woman shown at the Tropical Isle bar in two photos at the link you provided was NOT shot while she was in the bar nor was one of the gunman in that bar as you claimed. Your own article refutes what you claimed it said. The woman pictured was shot on THE STREET and stumbled into the Tropical Isle bar as it had it's doors propped open. When she stumbled into the bar after having been shot in the stomach and collapsed on the floor staff closed and locked the door. It's all spelled out right in the article you cited.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
42. not according to the DKOS source
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:20 PM
Jun 2014

Why are people using DKOS as a news source anyway? It's like using a DU post as a source.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
44. At 2:45AM on Bourbon Street these people were probably in bars drinking...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:26 PM
Jun 2014

before they decided to head out to the streets and do some Human Hunting.

If people are going to drink they should leave their guns at home.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
54. Or they were criminals selling drugs outside the bar
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:41 PM
Jun 2014

NO is gang and drug infested - it is one of the most dangerous cities in the world.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
96. What makes you so sure
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:22 PM
Jun 2014

they weren't in the bars selling drugs? Talk about assumptions. If I was a drug dealer...I think business might be pretty brisk in the bar.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
129. You brought up drug dealers in bars
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:29 AM
Jul 2014
they weren't in the bars selling drugs? Talk about assumptions. If I was a drug dealer...I think business might be pretty brisk in the bar.


You are getting more incoherent as you get more frustrated. Take a deep breath and think before you post - it will help a lot.

abakan

(1,815 posts)
45. What none of the gun crowd will tell you...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:27 PM
Jun 2014

Is it is a "sportsman's paradise" and the prey is us, all of us. Stand your ground, open carry, there is no way to avoid the carnage that's coming.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
107. Curious predicament you describe...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:37 PM
Jun 2014

1) The over all violent crime rate is way down nationally, so that doesn't auger well for your prediction "the carnage that's coming." But there is...

2) Society is breaking down into a pre-revolutionary/anarchic chaos, above and beyond the favorable crime data. Here, your fear of the "carnage that's coming" is at least plausible. Which begs the question: Why would anyone disarm? Who & what would be viable enough to administer disarmament, including those thugs who shoot up public streets?

abakan

(1,815 posts)
142. I'm not asking anyone to disarm..
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:05 PM
Jul 2014

That's probably the easiest way to get shot. All I want is a nice safe place that doesn't look like a war zone. I can't see how your rights to carry guns should trump my life and the pursuit of my happiness, without fearing for my life every time I go out.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
156. Well, you set up another dichotemy. There is an actual Right to keep and BEAR arms...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:40 PM
Jul 2014

Not so sure about your pursuits and fears, and not sure how the RKBA trumps all this. Frankly, these are jerks, and hardly represent rank 'n' file gun-owners, more likely hardened criminals who could give a shit about Jindal standing in the way of their cock fight & celebrity status. NO is a very violent place with a police farce beyond corruption, and a barely viable government.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
50. But guns keep us safe, don't they?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jun 2014

So just imagine how many more might have died at that bar had no one had guns?

I don't need the sarcasm thingy and there are no words to express how I feel about all those here and elsewhere who think guns guns guns are just fine, and that all of these people who die or are maimed every single day are just sad little accidents that could happen anywhere. Strangely enough, they don't happen where people don't have so many guns.

Botany

(70,291 posts)
74. What we need is a good drunk w/a gun to handle the bad drunk w/a gun.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jun 2014

But this will be the very last mass shooting in the U.S. of A. .... until the next one ....
hell, we might make it to July w/out another one .....2.5 hrs to go.

0rganism

(23,855 posts)
53. it'll take more than one incident to wake people up
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:38 PM
Jun 2014

Regardless of how jackass stupid the law is, our people and our government have shown considerable reluctance in moving towards change on this issue, even in the face of far more horrific violence than this. Meanwhile, we'll just have to wait to see how well the good people of Louisiana can hold their liquor... and their guns.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
57. "Sportman's Paradise"? You mean they are hunting tourists in Louisiana?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jun 2014

I may send my son to Las Vegas next Christmas instead of New Orleans.

Javaman

(62,439 posts)
69. I went to new orleans for the very first time last year. I will never go back.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:12 PM
Jun 2014

until this law is repealed.

here that Louisiana? you lose my vacation money.

usafvet65

(46 posts)
75. No trips to New Orleans...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:27 PM
Jun 2014

I can spend my travel dollars where I don't have to worry about being in the middle of the O.K. Corral shootout.

Veteran and gun owner.

mercuryblues

(14,491 posts)
95. we're also celebrating the Sportsman's Paradise and American values,"
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:19 PM
Jun 2014

I guess if humans are your prey, this is true.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
101. Jindal and his backers always speak of how "intelligent" he is, he refuses to accept the Medicaid
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jun 2014

expansion but he expands the limits on nuts carrying guns in bars. Now what is smart about this. Yea, I know, he wants to be president, he is a failure as governor and will probably fail as a candidate.

gordianot

(15,226 posts)
110. Gee alcohol must impact caution who would have guessed?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jun 2014

Carrying, handling, using firearms should be accorded the same caution as driving under the influence at the barest minimum. I was always taught anyone who gets hurt by your firearm it is your responsibility. Another place to avoid.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,994 posts)
113. "Gun Humpers" = "Packing Contageon"
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:07 AM
Jul 2014

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The tipping point of crazed gun lovers has past no return unless reasonable people step in and disarm them with laws. Jindal is a bad joke. Not at all funny. Or responsible.

lame54

(35,138 posts)
127. Bourbon street is as crowded as a bar...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:21 AM
Jul 2014

and one goes there to bar hop - if bars did not allow guns people would not carry guns on the street knowing they couldn't legally enter the bars

nice try - the law made this possible

hack89

(39,171 posts)
131. So people never carry illegal guns on Burbon Street?
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:35 AM
Jul 2014

those nice guys on the street corners selling every kind of drug you might want never settle "business disputes" with guns? Interesting. So if the city is not crawling with gangs and illegal guns, why is their murder rate ten times higher than the national average? All those legal gun owners with concealed carry permits?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
134. Bourbon Street Bars Want Something Done About Street Violence
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:07 AM
Jul 2014
Early Sunday morning, gunfire erupted on the World-famous Bourbon street and now businesses in the area are fed up with the lack of safety.

The last thing he wants is his customers not to feel safe. On busy nights there are 10 security guards on-site and they have surveillance cameras.

“This isn’t the first incident of guns on Bourbon,” he said.

Businesses have had enough and want the City of New Orleans to do more to protect everyone.



http://wgno.com/2014/06/30/bourbon-street-bars-want-something-done-about-street-violence/#ixzz36DnXIGBn

liberal N proud

(60,300 posts)
130. Their sportsman's paradise trumps the deads right to life.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:30 AM
Jul 2014

It's a small price to pay for the insecure gun nutters.


in case you couldn't see it!

malaise

(267,808 posts)
137. Another billboard ad coming up
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:20 AM
Jul 2014

The fool is messing with his own 1%
Jindal can destroy the tourist industry with his bullshit.

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