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http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/30/1310525/-Two-Shooters-Get-in-Gun-Fight-Bourbon-Street-9shot-1Critical-Bobby-Jindal-Approves-This-Behavior?detail=facebookJun 30, 2014
The Times-Picayune in New Orleans is reporting that at approximately 2:45AM two men got into a gun fight with each other, turned and open fired at a crowd of patrons on Bourbon Street, New Orleans, Louisiana. The shooting left nine injured and one in critically condition.
New Orleans police Superintendent Ronal Serpas said "two cowardly young men" were responsible for the carnage, which sent bystanders diving into bustling bars and nightclubs for cover, and others crawling into open storefronts as they bled.
In May of this year, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) approved a law allowing gun-humpers to bring their loaded guns into bars & restaurants that serve alcohol.
The Times-Picayune in New Orleans went on to report:
Police confirmed some of the victims were tourists, wounded in the 700 block of Bourbon Street when two men got into a gunfight around 2:45 a.m. No arrests have been made.
Last year, when Bobby Jindal signed 6 gun bills into law he wrote:
BOBBY JINDAL: "We're not just signing a few bills -- we're also celebrating the Sportsman's Paradise and American values,"
..more..
USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/30/bourbon-street-shooting/11805841/
elleng
(130,133 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)I will just keep letting the numbers add up, needless death from guns...every day
elleng
(130,133 posts)DU or other, as you say, the numbers keep adding up.
I don't care who or where the gun lovers are, I am not going to tiptoe around them.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)We're here, elleng, and will be here tomorrow.
elleng
(130,133 posts)and remain. I don't want to coddle, but I surely don't want to argue, so I won't participate.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Perhaps you realize the "issue's" insolubility, and are lashing out at folks who aren't your enemy. I just don't know. But there is No positive or benefit to come from this thread and dozens more howls like this. Same old, same old.
See you next posting.
elleng
(130,133 posts)Jindal is a fool. Unfortunately, there are many like him.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)of course you do.
of all the things to debate, things that really are so difficult to decide that they need a debate on DU...
guns in bars.
from the poster who named himself after his hero --a gun.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)and says its from Eleanors38. You forgot the air quotes, but I forgive, for thouest know not what thouest do.
Botany
(70,291 posts)neverforget
(9,433 posts)thrown in for good measure.
billh58
(6,635 posts)the good old boys ride to the bar in their pick 'em up trucks and wear their big old guns for all to see. There ain't no problem that can't be solved with a gun y'all...
kentuck
(110,950 posts)Gunfight on Bourbon Street! Where next?
calimary
(80,693 posts)YOUR street. That's where. These assholes won't rest until that happens. Which is why WE can't rest either, until we stop them! Or at least slow them the hell down!!!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)there goes tourism for the next few months.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)What a great combination...a bunch of drunk people with guns.
Jindal watches too many Westerns
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Because they can't say this story is a year old? Will they try to claim that these shootings don't "count". Will they try to say that these were bad guys with guns, not good guys with guns? Will they claim we're just being emotional? That guns don't really kill people? That all this could have happened with a knife?
Waiting for the NRA talking points to come over the intertubes?
hack89
(39,171 posts)Why is your first instinct to blame legal concealed gun carriers? Do you have facts not stated in the OP?
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Or did you pull it out of your butt again?
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)You have pulled the idea that they are gang members out of your ass, but thanks for projecting. They could have legally obtained these guns at a gun show or on the corner as another post stated this week. It doesn't matter. The argument that these people are criminals, which now they of course are, is irrelevant. What is relevant is easy access to guns means there are too many guns in public. Period.
hack89
(39,171 posts)With a murder rate much higher than the national average, who, by several orders of magnitudes, is the more likely shooter?
Guns seem to short circuit logic here for some reason.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)by your inability to read, comprehend or put 2 + 2 together.
But I'm willing to help being who I am
Guns + alcohol are a very very bad combo.
Are you for the laws that fat fuck face Republican nitwit Jindal signed? Are you his brother & supporter? If so why the hell are you still here on DU?
If not, you got some splainin' to do. Guns do not belong in bars. Guns do not belong in banks. Guns do not belong in schools. Guns belong in very few places really.
If you have the nerve and the ability to reply to this post, you can tell me where you think guns are appropriate & inappropriate.
I expect crickets though, because most cowards won't answer these questions. Cowards think their guns make 'em big men with big penis'.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)is consumed, mainly restaurants. Bars not so much but even then it is usually against the law already to drink while having a firearm. Since we do not know all of the facts, unless you know more than what is in the OP, we have no idea if this is even related to the law. I will wait on facts. Nice name calling though and even better to get the penis reference in also, must make you so very proud.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)If the shoe fits...wear it.
I called you no names, but if you feel uneasy, you might want to think about it.
I hold "no truck" with Republicans nor do I trust their ability to govern.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)one as you were in a back and forth with him at the time. Not very nice.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)so with all due respect...bite me.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)your response to Hack89...
by your inability to read, comprehend or put 2 + 2 together.
But I'm willing to help being who I am
Guns + alcohol are a very very bad combo.
Are you for the laws that fat fuck face Republican nitwit Jindal signed? Are you his brother & supporter? If so why the hell are you still here on DU?
If not, you got some splainin' to do. Guns do not belong in bars. Guns do not belong in banks. Guns do not belong in schools. Guns belong in very few places really.
If you have the nerve and the ability to reply to this post, you can tell me where you think guns are appropriate & inappropriate.
I expect crickets though, because most cowards won't answer these questions. Cowards think their guns make 'em big men with big penis'.
to me it seems pretty inclusive to the poster you responded to, not very generic language that I see.
That's fine, have great evening.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)highlighting my post.
Again, I didn't call anyone any names. I am still hearing crickets though. Which tells me that hack is unable to defend his position.
hack89
(39,171 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)The shootings were in the street, in a city infested with gang and drug violence. The odds were that the shooters were gang members. That is who is doing the killing in NO, not legal gun carriers.
That being said, I do not support guns in bars. But this shooting was not in a bar.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)"riled up"....hmm
So you agree that Jindal signing laws that allow people to carry guns into bars is insane?
hack89
(39,171 posts)Caretha
(2,737 posts)Now...
do not give any of these Republican asshats any leeway or we'll become the land of "No Laws and anything goes".
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)It's funny, you are so hyped up to support guns in every thread, you seem to be supporting a law you call insane.
I AGREE THIS LAW IS INSANE!
The biggest disagreement I see between gunners and control-freaks like myself, is restricting easy access to guns. You think somehow it will effect you. But if you are as responsible with your guns as you say, it won't. People who support "responsible" gun ownership should be howling that idiots are getting a hold of guns and shooting people. The tactic of supporting guns no matter what does no good. We should all be working to make sure that yahoos and idiots don't have guns. Because they do not know how to safely handle a lethal weapon. I'm so confused why so-called Democratic-leaning 2A defenders don't get that.
hack89
(39,171 posts)I support all laws that prevent criminals from having guns - with two exceptions. I do not support an AWB or registration.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)And a bit of a dog whistle. They weren't just shooting at each other, they shot innocent bystanders.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/surveillance-videos-capture-mayhem-bourbon-street-gunmen-open-fire-injuring-9-video-article-1.1849309
There is a photo of a victim inside the bar. They locked the doors and helped her after the gunman walked out.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Assuming it was gang related is not tenuous. Who the hell else is committing the majority of murders?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)The article said that the shooting happened at the corner of Bourbon Street and Orleans...
The videos, one shot from a camera perched above Bourbon Street and another taken inside a bar, showed panicked revelers scattering for cover after the shooting started near the corner of Bourbon and Orleans at around 2:45 a.m.
The photo of the woman in the Tropical Isle bar occurred when she stumbled into the bar seeking cover and help for having been shot in the stomach OUT ON THE STREET. It does NOT say that any gunman was ever in the Tropical Isle bar or that they locked the doors when he walked out. The injured woman was shot on the street and went into the bar for cover and help...
Several bystanders scurried through the open doors of the Tropical Isle Original, on the corner of Bourbon and Toulouse, a second video that appeared on local KDVR-TV showed.
"I was in the back of the bar taking a cigarette break and all of a sudden I heard a lot of gunshots. It had to be more than eight of them," a bartender named Jimmy told the station.
One of the victims was a 19-year-old woman from Arkansas, who was shot in the stomach and ended up sprawled out on the Tropical Isle's floor.
The photo of the woman as she stumbled into the bar (you can see the open door behind her) is further down the page. The first photo at the top of the page shows the same woman after she collapsed onto the floor and the staff locked the Tropical's door.
Nothing at all in the article says that one of the gunman was IN the Tropical Isle bar nor that the staff closed and locked the door after he left as you claim.
If you're going to use an article to back up what you claim it's a good idea that what the article says actually DOES back up your claim. Because it DOESN'T. In fact, it REFUTES what you claim.
Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #81)
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NOLALady
(4,003 posts)"Some criminologists believe the reduction is evidence that the city might have finally gotten a handle on its murder epidemic, born in the 1960s and 1970s in neighborhoods plagued by poverty, poor education, shoddy prosecutions and a proliferation of guns, drugs and gangs.
Were now beginning in 2014 to grow out of that, to mature, said Dee Wood Harper, a professor emeritus of sociology and criminology at Loyola University. It looks to me like the culture is beginning to change.
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)It is what the thread is about. Otherwise it is just another crime completely unrelated to the laws Jindal just passed.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)shootings are pretty common.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Bourbon Street, not so much. They average about one of these per decade.
hack89
(39,171 posts)The last thing he wants is his customers not to feel safe. On busy nights there are 10 security guards on-site and they have surveillance cameras.
This isnt the first incident of guns on Bourbon, he said.
Businesses have had enough and want the City of New Orleans to do more to protect everyone.
http://wgno.com/2014/06/30/bourbon-street-bars-want-something-done-about-street-violence/#ixzz36DnXIGBn
Once a decade? How about a year ago?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/10/bourbon-street-shooting-2_n_2657016.html
Or 2011?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/new-orleans-halloween-shooting_n_1070305.html
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Some still post gun topics in the proper group(s) instead of Guns-Dogs, so there is understandable delay which allows for the usual "talking-point" preen & strut, aye?
Baitball Blogger
(46,574 posts)to rise.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)what could possibly go wrong?
Coventina
(26,853 posts)Any bellyachers are clearly treasonous scumbags!
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)number 547 not to visit New Orleans. Or Louisiana.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)for wrongful death or attempted murder. Maybe every single legislator who voted for it.
billh58
(6,635 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Like who were the shooters and were their guns legal?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)a good idea. I would like to see him defend his decision against a lawsuit brought by victims of it.
hack89
(39,171 posts)We are talking about one the most violent cities in the country with a huge gang problem. With the complete lack of any real details, why would one assume for a second that this law has anything to do with this shooting?
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)gun from an individual. So it is a legal purchase.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Nothing makes that legal.
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)Sure it might not be legal for a felon to be in possession of a firearm.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)for the seller knowingly sell to a prohibited person. UBC may help but the black market will still be there.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Caretha
(2,737 posts)and your gun was legal...all is well?
My goodness sakes alive! Talk about convoluted thinking.
hack89
(39,171 posts)The post I was replying to suggested law suits against Jindal because of the law. Don't you first need to know if the law had anything to do with the shooting?
Caretha
(2,737 posts)it was still illegal to shoot someone for the heck of it.
Of course and unless you are "standin' your ground" and are afraid of kids wearing hoodies, or of course you believe like Jindal does that it is A-okay to bring guns to bars.
Do you believe it is A-okay to bring guns to bars?
hack89
(39,171 posts)The law forbids it.
Why are you talking about bars? This shooting was not in a bar.
And I have told you already that I oppose guns in bars. You are trying too hard to be outraged.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Where does it say it was a gang-related shooting?
You are really trying hard to push that line with *zero* supporting evidence.
What other crapola can you make up on the spot?
For all you know, both people involved were off-duty LEO.
hack89
(39,171 posts)So where does that leave us? In a city infested with gang violence and a sky high murder rate, what is the more likely scenario - a gang related crime, two cops or two legal gun owners going nuts? Logic is allowed.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)And have you ever seen the type of police officer New Orleans has?
It definitely could have been two cops.
My WAG is just as valid as yours, that is, pulled out of my ass.
hack89
(39,171 posts)A 155 murders last year - the mayor fels the vast majority were gang related. Why would you think otherwise?
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Anything else is still a wild ass guess.
Or people trying desperately to push an agenda, as it could have been two responsible firearm owners that decided to re-enact the gunfight at the OK Corral in New Orleans for the tourists.
hack89
(39,171 posts)But since it is also your agenda, no big deal?
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)You should go visit.
hack89
(39,171 posts)I went 10 years ago - it was fun but once was enough.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Thank you.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Which makes sense when you consider that we have cut our murder rate in half over the past 20 years. You have to go back 60 years to find lower rates of violent crime.
How is that possible if more guns = more violence?
You are welcome.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)That's how thinks are supposed to be done. BTW, were the shooters licensed to carry concealed, and were they otherwise legally able to own guns, I.e., clean record, no mental incapacity adjudications?
hack89
(39,171 posts)Your first instinct is that these were legal concealed gun carriers? Ok.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)gun control than Blomberg's $50,000,000. Keep it up sport, I'm sure you'll convert someone to a true gun fetisist. Or not.
hack89
(39,171 posts)And open carry has nothing to do with this shooting either.
Now tell me why in a city with a huge gang problem and a murder rate much higher than the national average, your assumption is that these shooters were legal gun owners? What would the odds be?
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)Consider that almost half of all gun sales take place without a background check it is likely that they bought the guns legally in a private transfer. That would make them a law abiding citizen. Unless the seller knew that they were a prohibited buyer that would make the seller a law abiding citizen.
So tell me why are you so god damned sure that otherwise is the case?
Open carry and assholes who defend guns at all costs are doing a LOT to further the cause of make sense gun control.
PLEASE contribute more to the conversation.
hack89
(39,171 posts)criminals break gun laws every day - that's why they are criminals.
I support UBCs - my state has had them for years. Yet illegal gun sales happen all the time because criminals don't care.
PLEASE tone down the emotion and start thinking rationally.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)that leads you to the conclusion that they did not acquire their guns legally?
If you support UBC what action have you taken to support it? Made any phone calls to your congress critters? Sent any emails? Contributed to any organization working to pass UCB legislation?
Tone down? I don't fucking think so when gun fetishists continually and immediately try to make incidents like this one seem inevitable and just a cost of freedumb and liburty.
PLEASE. Keep commenting, you and the open carry idiots are doing more to promote gun control legislation than Blomberg's $50,000,000.
hack89
(39,171 posts)have a wonderful day.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)To defend guns regardless of the situation.
And to find out how much you support UBS and how you've done it.
Talking out your ass doesn't count.
hack89
(39,171 posts)I also pointed out the most likely source of the violence - I wouldn't call that supporting guns regardless of the situation.
I support UBS without any conditions. My state has had them for years. My Senator and representative are gun control supporting Dems that support UBCs as well - I voted for both of them.
Relax - you are trying too hard to be outraged. It is making you sound a little unhinged. Take a deep breath and actually think before you post. It will help a lot.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)Have you worked for UBC at the national level? Called your congress critters? Written any letters, emails? Contributed to any organizations working to enact UBC?
Naaaa, what you've done is talk out your ass about UBC. "I support UBC by doing . . . nothing."
hack89
(39,171 posts)What little extra time and money I have goes to other causes.
Besides - voting for gun control supporting Dems is not doing nothing.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)I told them to vote for UBCs. Which they did.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)if only a few states have it. If you haven't worked at the federal level you haven't worked for UNIVERSAL background checks. You just talk a good story.
hack89
(39,171 posts)I guess I will have to live with the shame of your disapproval.
trof
(54,255 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)Like to see Jindal barhopping, idiot
otohara
(24,135 posts)really?
Nothing about the fucking guns and this shitty law Superintendent?
Paladin
(28,202 posts)Thanks a lot, gun culture.
hack89
(39,171 posts)abakan
(1,815 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)NO is infested with gangs and drugs. You can buy anything you want when ever you want it. It is also one of the most violent cities in the world. Who do you think are doing all that killing?
ancianita
(35,812 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)we would patrol up and down the river and sometimes people would shoot at us from the levees!
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)If not, then what does this incident have to do with the new laws allowing concealed carry in bars?
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)People were ducking into bars to try to avoid the mayhem.
This is why I don't think people here should use DailyKOS as though it was a news agency.
The Times-Picyune makes it clear that the shooting happened on the street, not inside a bar.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)One of the victims was inside the bar. See my reply to the hack above.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)And the start of the fight in a bar is not mentioned.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)They pulled their weapons and started shooting. This thread is about how guns should not be allowed in bars. Drunken people often fight, and so adding guns into the mix is deadly.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-06-29/news/chi-new-orleans-shooting-20140629_1_new-orleans-police-department-bourbon-preservation-hall
Do you disagree with any of the above?
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Nowhere in that article you link does it say that the disagreement between the two gunman started in any bar. In fact, it tends to refute that...
Two men armed with guns got into a dispute on New Orleans' famed Bourbon Street early on Sunday, opening fire on one another and wounding nine people in the vicinity, police said.
The shooting happened around 2:45 a.m. local time after the men engaged in a verbal dispute that escalated into gunfire, the department's superintendent, Ronal Serpas, told reporters.
There is not one iota of evidence in the links you've provided that either of the gunman were EVER in a bar that night or that they started arguing inside a bar before shooting at each other out in the street.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)The OP makes it seem as if the new law allowing concealed carry in a bar had something to do with this incident and neither article described the shooters being in a bar.
I think drinking and guns is a bad mix. It may be the case that the shooters were drunk from drinking at a bar or they were sober and simply violent.
I live in a state where a licensed person can carry in a bar but not drink while carrying anywhere and there are few incidents involving licensed individuals.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)And that the woman shown at the Tropical Isle bar in two photos at the link you provided was NOT shot while she was in the bar nor was one of the gunman in that bar as you claimed. Your own article refutes what you claimed it said. The woman pictured was shot on THE STREET and stumbled into the Tropical Isle bar as it had it's doors propped open. When she stumbled into the bar after having been shot in the stomach and collapsed on the floor staff closed and locked the door. It's all spelled out right in the article you cited.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Just wondering.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Why are people using DKOS as a news source anyway? It's like using a DU post as a source.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)before they decided to head out to the streets and do some Human Hunting.
If people are going to drink they should leave their guns at home.
hack89
(39,171 posts)NO is gang and drug infested - it is one of the most dangerous cities in the world.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)they weren't in the bars selling drugs? Talk about assumptions. If I was a drug dealer...I think business might be pretty brisk in the bar.
hack89
(39,171 posts)And premise of the OP is irrelevant -correct?
Caretha
(2,737 posts)are convicted criminals.
Jeez...your shovel is worn out. Give it up.
hack89
(39,171 posts)You are getting more incoherent as you get more frustrated. Take a deep breath and think before you post - it will help a lot.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)or are you just guessing?
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)abakan
(1,815 posts)Is it is a "sportsman's paradise" and the prey is us, all of us. Stand your ground, open carry, there is no way to avoid the carnage that's coming.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)1) The over all violent crime rate is way down nationally, so that doesn't auger well for your prediction "the carnage that's coming." But there is...
2) Society is breaking down into a pre-revolutionary/anarchic chaos, above and beyond the favorable crime data. Here, your fear of the "carnage that's coming" is at least plausible. Which begs the question: Why would anyone disarm? Who & what would be viable enough to administer disarmament, including those thugs who shoot up public streets?
abakan
(1,815 posts)That's probably the easiest way to get shot. All I want is a nice safe place that doesn't look like a war zone. I can't see how your rights to carry guns should trump my life and the pursuit of my happiness, without fearing for my life every time I go out.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Not so sure about your pursuits and fears, and not sure how the RKBA trumps all this. Frankly, these are jerks, and hardly represent rank 'n' file gun-owners, more likely hardened criminals who could give a shit about Jindal standing in the way of their cock fight & celebrity status. NO is a very violent place with a police farce beyond corruption, and a barely viable government.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)So just imagine how many more might have died at that bar had no one had guns?
I don't need the sarcasm thingy and there are no words to express how I feel about all those here and elsewhere who think guns guns guns are just fine, and that all of these people who die or are maimed every single day are just sad little accidents that could happen anywhere. Strangely enough, they don't happen where people don't have so many guns.
Botany
(70,291 posts)But this will be the very last mass shooting in the U.S. of A. .... until the next one ....
hell, we might make it to July w/out another one .....2.5 hrs to go.
0rganism
(23,855 posts)Regardless of how jackass stupid the law is, our people and our government have shown considerable reluctance in moving towards change on this issue, even in the face of far more horrific violence than this. Meanwhile, we'll just have to wait to see how well the good people of Louisiana can hold their liquor... and their guns.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)I may send my son to Las Vegas next Christmas instead of New Orleans.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Javaman
(62,439 posts)until this law is repealed.
here that Louisiana? you lose my vacation money.
usafvet65
(46 posts)I can spend my travel dollars where I don't have to worry about being in the middle of the O.K. Corral shootout.
Veteran and gun owner.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)mercuryblues
(14,491 posts)I guess if humans are your prey, this is true.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)expansion but he expands the limits on nuts carrying guns in bars. Now what is smart about this. Yea, I know, he wants to be president, he is a failure as governor and will probably fail as a candidate.
gordianot
(15,226 posts)Carrying, handling, using firearms should be accorded the same caution as driving under the influence at the barest minimum. I was always taught anyone who gets hurt by your firearm it is your responsibility. Another place to avoid.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)around when the shooting starts.
SleeplessinSoCal
(8,994 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:43 AM - Edit history (1)
The tipping point of crazed gun lovers has past no return unless reasonable people step in and disarm them with laws. Jindal is a bad joke. Not at all funny. Or responsible.
former9thward
(31,802 posts)But nice try at defecting.
lame54
(35,138 posts)and one goes there to bar hop - if bars did not allow guns people would not carry guns on the street knowing they couldn't legally enter the bars
nice try - the law made this possible
hack89
(39,171 posts)those nice guys on the street corners selling every kind of drug you might want never settle "business disputes" with guns? Interesting. So if the city is not crawling with gangs and illegal guns, why is their murder rate ten times higher than the national average? All those legal gun owners with concealed carry permits?
lame54
(35,138 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)The last thing he wants is his customers not to feel safe. On busy nights there are 10 security guards on-site and they have surveillance cameras.
This isnt the first incident of guns on Bourbon, he said.
Businesses have had enough and want the City of New Orleans to do more to protect everyone.
http://wgno.com/2014/06/30/bourbon-street-bars-want-something-done-about-street-violence/#ixzz36DnXIGBn
lame54
(35,138 posts)thought this was big news - not just another day
former9thward
(31,802 posts)Nice try at deflecting.
lame54
(35,138 posts)just don't know enough about the subject
will not continue on this
liberal N proud
(60,300 posts)It's a small price to pay for the insecure gun nutters.
in case you couldn't see it!
malaise
(267,808 posts)The fool is messing with his own 1%
Jindal can destroy the tourist industry with his bullshit.
The victims have been upgraded to 10.