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This is utter nonsense.
So much hypocrisy.
I took local trains to a medical appointment this morning. On the way I asked women whether they had heard about the decision. Trust me. Based on the gleams in the eyes of most of the women I talked to, this is going to bring a lot of women out to the polls who might not otherwise vote.
Abortion may be controversial, but access to birth control, the right to make family planning decisions without the interference of your boss, that's something that women really care about.
So, I go to this large, large medical center in downtown Los Angeles and continue my political activism telling women about the decision and urging them to vote. I get in the elevator and what do I see but a woman with a hospital badge pushing a large cart with two stacks of brochures entitled "Vasectomy." I figure this woman has to be on my side on the reproductive rights issue. But guess what? She informed me she agrees with the decision and does not approve of abortion. (Who said anything about abortion?)
I was flabbergasted. That woman makes her living at least in part from carting around brochures on vasectomy but does not believe in reproductive rights for women. The hypocrisy of it. Why is she working in the medical field if she does not support a woman's right to make medical decisions for herself, if she supports an employer's ability to interfere in his employees' basic right to make medical decisions for herself? And that is what this is about, whether an employer has the right to make medical decisions for his employee.
That is hypocrisy. If you don't respect the patient's right to make his/her medical decisions, get out of the medical profession. And get off the Supreme Court.
And if you don't believe in medical intervention to prevent birth, then be consistent and refuse medical intervention to save your life.
Medical miracles are a two-way street. If we use medicine to lengthen and save life, then we must also use it to control births. Taking one benefit and refusing the other could overpopulate our planet and bring disaster. We are already overpopulated. The flood of juvenile refugees from Central America and Mexico are evidence of that.
I think women are going to organize around this issue to take not only Congress but the Supreme Court as well.
Be prepared to hear a lot about what really happens in very large families. A large family sounds so wonderful, but, in many large families, somewhere one or more of the older children sacrifices his educational or social development to take care of the younger ones. And somewhere along the line, the mother lacks the time to give to a middle or younger child the spiritual and emotional and maybe the physical attention and encouragement that child needs.
We need to look into what happens to children in very large families. Even when the parents are religious, the choice to have a large family can be disastrous for one or more of the children. Somebody pays the price. Children need so much love.
If a family chooses to have a large family, they should be free to make that choice. But they should understand from the get-go how much work and money and family resources that decision will take. Being a responsible parent, not just having a large or small family should be the goal.
EVERY CHILD A WANTED CHILD!
It isn't a question of how many children you have (I originally wanted sic and had to settle for two). It is a question of how many children you can responsibly care for. And that is a question that only the parents of the child can answer, not the Supreme Court and certainly not some self-righteous employer.
What does Hobby Lobby pay its employees per hour? What percentage of them are on welfare. I want to know how much responsibility Hobby Lobby takes for the well being of the children of its employees.
I posted this as an OP at a DUer's request. Thanks for reading it.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)I could afford to leave this country, and go to someplace normal, like England or France.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Are there religious positions they hold that would bother rightwing christian morons?
I wish a sharia religious company could go into a major city and put all the other companies out of business and force everyone to work there by virtue of elimination, and see how they like that.
I know India isnt Sharia
India is Hinduism territory, so I wonder what could come out of that
DebJ
(7,699 posts)it is terrifying to think of what a Republican President could do by replacing Ginsburg.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,583 posts)It is an excellent post.
Thank you!
genwah
(574 posts)Thank you also for this;
Medical miracles are a two-way street. If we use medicine to lengthen and save life, then we must also use it to control births. Taking one benefit and refusing the other could overpopulate our planet and bring disaster. We are already overpopulated. The flood of juvenile refugees from Central America and Mexico are evidence of that.
As a former chemist, who kind of hated the "Better living through chemistry" posters in the '70s, I am constantly frustrated with the anti-science screed from the right. Science is science. If you try to fuck with science for your own political ends, guess what? Science doesn't care, science will win. Your civilization may wind up in the dustbin of history, but science will win.
And fuck the Hobby Lobby "decision". How any court case regarding birth and birth control should demonstrate that the parties involved didn't understand either is beyond belief.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)In the end, science, the god science, wins out.
Our knowledge of science may be imperfect, but in the end, science wins.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I read in another thread that Hobby Lobby pays full-time employees $14.50/hr, and part-time $9.50/hr. I haven't verified that, but it sounds about right for an American retail chain.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and specifically NOT those things....it proves it is nothing more than sexism! PERIOD!
Lawsuits are coming you can take that to the bank!
Freddie
(9,259 posts)So "religious liberty" does not mean you can deny your employees blood transfusions or psych drugs, or discriminate based on religion...it ONLY means you can deny women the ability to plan their families based on "abortifacient" nonsense. I'm waiting for the Jehovah's Witness employer to sue that they were denied religious liberty--they certainly have a point! Nope, only women get f*cked, what else is new.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)2/3 of the Court is either Catholic or educated by the Catholic Church. That does not begin to represent the diversity in America.
I hope that lawsuits are coming.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Bickle
(109 posts)Has exempted themselves from basically anything that can hurt them. Ethics rules, so Scalia, Thimas and the gang can suck Koch, public records, where we are not allowed to out camers I there, being anywhere near public opinion or facts, or requirements they educate themselves with a basic understanding of the cases they rule on (if you don't know what email is, probably shouldn't be ruling on the internet)
It's time for mass impeachment, and replacement with judges domliberal they make Michael Moore look like ared cruz
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)Take it all the way to the Supreme Court?
Seems impotent from that direction, it would never get that far unless they wanted the case to beat us up some more.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)But there has to be some recourse. We need to educate Southern women.
longship
(40,416 posts)And why isn't anybody saying anything about the biological FACT that the pill and IUDs are not abortion, contrary to HL's religious claim.
N.b., I would be against this ruling even if it had forbidden only abortions.
The fact that the ruling was deliberately limited only to contraception speaks largely that this was solely about girly bits.