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kydo

(2,679 posts)
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:28 PM Nov 2014

Irk over black Stormtrooper

'Star Wars' Star John Boyega to Haters: "Get Used to It"
The Hollywood Reporter
November 30, 2014
By Ryan Gajewski



Star Wars: The Force Awakens star John Boyega has posted a message directed at both fans and critics.

Boyega, 22, whose scene in the film’s teaser trailer led to some online criticism of a black Stormtrooper, appeared to address those comments on his Instagram page Saturday.

"To whom it may concern … Get used to it," he wrote. After that sentence, he included a smiley-face emoticon.

Boyega, who starred in 2011’s Attack the Block, also thanked fans for their positive feedback. “Thank you for all the love and support,” Boyega’s message read. “I’m in the movie, but as a Star Wars fan, I’m very excited.”

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That's crazy. Since when is there a law written in stone that Stormtroopers must be white?
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Irk over black Stormtrooper (Original Post) kydo Nov 2014 OP
That is a rather insipid response from those fans mythology Nov 2014 #1
I love it. this is a multi you name it universe after all roguevalley Dec 2014 #34
Can't please racists. Action_Patrol Nov 2014 #2
And also that a black girl is playing Annie nt maryellen99 Nov 2014 #31
How anyone can find fault in that is crazy to me. Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #36
And she's adorable! N/t spinbaby Dec 2014 #44
Yes she is nt maryellen99 Dec 2014 #45
True..but she needs to dress better and show some class. BlueJazz Dec 2014 #51
The original storm troopers were clones of Jango Fett. Dr. Strange Nov 2014 #3
Wow shenmue Nov 2014 #5
... Initech Nov 2014 #8
I'm impressed. woolldog Nov 2014 #12
Or they were all conscripts and volunteers from the beginning NuclearDem Nov 2014 #15
I'm sorry... Action_Patrol Nov 2014 #17
You mean Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #22
Lucas: Obi-Wan never told you what happened before A New Hope. Dr. Strange Nov 2014 #24
Nobody Action_Patrol Nov 2014 #25
He at least got two things right. NuclearDem Nov 2014 #27
I'm in awe of your geekery!!! nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #30
The sad part is that I already knew that xmas74 Nov 2014 #32
That, and the clones aged twice as fast. Cheap_Trick Dec 2014 #40
But we only found that out much later. kentauros Dec 2014 #53
No, it is because they know good and we'll he won't be any simple stormtrooper but TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #4
And how do we know this IS a stormtrooper? Autumn Colors Nov 2014 #6
Long standing rumor Action_Patrol Nov 2014 #10
It is consistent with the ethereal nature of the Dark Side-driven Empire. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #7
ooooh woolldog Nov 2014 #13
I believe the Empire is portrayed as fascist and human-superior chauvanist. graegoyle Dec 2014 #33
I'm not familiar enough with the extended universe to contradict anyone. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #35
Terry Pratchett quote el_bryanto Dec 2014 #60
They better get used to it.. He's the new hero... SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #9
In the words of another Star related franchise.... whistler162 Nov 2014 #11
Temuera Morrison played the main Stormtropper that was cloned in Attack of the Clones SummerSnow Nov 2014 #14
The empire collapsed Action_Patrol Nov 2014 #16
yeah, but the crazies dont know that. lol SummerSnow Nov 2014 #18
Ha! Action_Patrol Nov 2014 #20
But is the script any good? (n/t) Retrograde Nov 2014 #19
They've got Harrison Ford back Action_Patrol Nov 2014 #21
If the new trilogy is even halfway as good as the Star Trek reboot NuclearDem Nov 2014 #28
Lets make the racist angrier SummerSnow Nov 2014 #23
"Aw great here he comes with his futuristic negro gun to take my hard earned tax dollars!!" Or Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2014 #26
They are also pissed that the other 2 main leads are female and Hispanic nt maryellen99 Nov 2014 #29
Same nerpty-nurps who were pissed over Idris Elba as Heimdall Scootaloo Dec 2014 #37
Post #2 Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #38
Holy Yoda-on-a-Lightsaber! Are they still pissed about Lando Calrissian, too? Ken Burch Dec 2014 #39
The complaint used to be that there were no black people in the original movie Derek V Dec 2014 #41
Well shit I guess not all imperial stormtroopers are clones. Big galaxy to crush. Rex Dec 2014 #42
What's worse Jeneral2885 Dec 2014 #43
Foolish people... Blue_Adept Dec 2014 #46
My first reaction to seeing this scene was: redgreenandblue Dec 2014 #47
Star Wars was one of those movies that I watched with my children Skidmore Dec 2014 #48
It's a freaking, fictional movie Lurks Often Dec 2014 #49
Damn, you got that right! Orrex Dec 2014 #59
George Lucas movies are filled with negative racial stereotypes GreatGazoo Dec 2014 #50
Why is Darth Vader your #1? Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #52
Here's why joeglow3 Dec 2014 #54
Get out of here. Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #55
I was going to type "what's a Nubian" Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #56
the only black actor/character in the original film is Vader -- James Earl Jones voices it GreatGazoo Dec 2014 #57
Of course, David Prowse is white, so there's that. Orrex Dec 2014 #58
It's a stretch. Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #61

Dr. Strange

(25,917 posts)
3. The original storm troopers were clones of Jango Fett.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:48 PM
Nov 2014

But once the Jedi were eliminated, a lot of the troopers were draftees and volunteers from all races, etc.

All hail my geekery!

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
15. Or they were all conscripts and volunteers from the beginning
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:53 PM
Nov 2014

All hail my denial of the prequels!

Dr. Strange

(25,917 posts)
24. Lucas: Obi-Wan never told you what happened before A New Hope.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:06 PM
Nov 2014

NuclearDem: He told me enough! He told me that some badass stuff happened!
Lucas: No, here are the prequels.

Lucas presents Episodes I - III.

NuclearDem (in great distress and anguish):Nooooooooooo!

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
25. Nobody
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:09 PM
Nov 2014

Needed to see Darth Vader as a child. Nobody. Same goes for Boba Fett and the Death Star. Want to see it being built? No George, no I don't.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
27. He at least got two things right.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:32 PM
Nov 2014

Han Solo and the Falcon weren't in the prequels.

Only good parts about that trilogy.

xmas74

(29,671 posts)
32. The sad part is that I already knew that
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:59 PM
Nov 2014

and nearly answered the same thing. I'm not even a huge SW fan but my brother is. (I'm more ST and can also remember watching classic Doctor Who episodes, along with all the cheesy sci-fi shows of the seventies.)

 

Cheap_Trick

(3,918 posts)
40. That, and the clones aged twice as fast.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 12:33 AM
Dec 2014

Except for Boba. He was made especially for Jango and did not have that built in flaw. Around the time of The Clone Wars they stopped producing the clones on Kamino.

And yes, I too am a geek.


kentauros

(29,414 posts)
53. But we only found that out much later.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:55 AM
Dec 2014

In Episode IV (and V, and VI) we never saw an unmasked Stormtrooper; they were always "faceless."

Still, that's better than being surrounded by assholes:





TheKentuckian

(25,021 posts)
4. No, it is because they know good and we'll he won't be any simple stormtrooper but
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:48 PM
Nov 2014

a probable central character, hero, and perhaps love interest of a precious white flower. They are still sick about Lando but this time may hit closer to home.

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
6. And how do we know this IS a stormtrooper?
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:56 PM
Nov 2014

Maybe it's someone who stole a stormtrooper uniform for some purpose .... just like Han and Luke did in "A New Hope" ... Hmmmmm?????

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
10. Long standing rumor
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:05 PM
Nov 2014

Is that he's a Stormtrooper that defects. He's supposedly the short one you see in the trailer before they deploy
/nerd rant

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
7. It is consistent with the ethereal nature of the Dark Side-driven Empire.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:59 PM
Nov 2014

They wouldn't be racist. If you're willing to serve the Emperor obediently, then all are welcome.

Such is usually how empires work, when they're run competently.

We forget that the deepest evil is often meritocratic.

graegoyle

(532 posts)
33. I believe the Empire is portrayed as fascist and human-superior chauvanist.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 12:03 AM
Dec 2014

Enslavement of non-humanoid species was part of government practice after Palpatine was "Emperorized".

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
35. I'm not familiar enough with the extended universe to contradict anyone.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 12:10 AM
Dec 2014

But chauvinism is infinitely extensible. An oppressive force can accept a bigger tent as a stratagem to exclude an even larger set.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
60. Terry Pratchett quote
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:29 AM
Dec 2014

"Racism was not a problem on the Discworld, because -- what with trolls and dwarfs and so on -- speciesism was more interesting. Black and white lived in perfect harmony and ganged up on green."

I think the Empire is pretty down on aliens - but humans are humans?

Bryant

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
9. They better get used to it.. He's the new hero...
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:01 PM
Nov 2014

He's got the lead role. Word is he's struggling with his past, so the Stormtrooper uniform could be flashback or him escaping the Empire..

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
14. Temuera Morrison played the main Stormtropper that was cloned in Attack of the Clones
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:50 PM
Nov 2014

He was Jango Fett the bounty Hunter that was hired for the cloning...here is his pic.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,497 posts)
26. "Aw great here he comes with his futuristic negro gun to take my hard earned tax dollars!!" Or
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:10 PM
Nov 2014

something like that.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
42. Well shit I guess not all imperial stormtroopers are clones. Big galaxy to crush.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 02:08 AM
Dec 2014

They can do whatever they want to as far as I am concerned. I'm still waiting for something to out due The Empire Strikes Back.

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
46. Foolish people...
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 08:36 AM
Dec 2014

Just proves they're not watching Star Wars Rebels, which is the new series and establishing post-prequel pre-a new hope continuity. We've got it there where there aren't any real clones left at that point and we're seeing the Imperial Academy and training - which had a variety of different ethnic characters.

There are those that are legitimately surprised because they've grown up with the prequels as their first view of the franchise and never really clicked that the clones were phased out. But a good chunk of those "gaining fame" over this are just plain assholes looking to create controversy or are pretty much just assholes in general.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
47. My first reaction to seeing this scene was:
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 08:53 AM
Dec 2014

"Wow, they are giving storm troopers a human 'everybody' face. Most revolutionary thing Star Wars has ever done."

Yeah, the dude is also black, now that you mention it...

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
48. Star Wars was one of those movies that I watched with my children
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:01 AM
Dec 2014

years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. They enjoyed it too and my son was into the Lego Star Wars sets for a while and then he grew up, went to college, got a degree and a job, and got married and settled down. Yesterday evening I watched a news story on one of the channels in which they were telling me that people lined up to see a trailer for a movie that won't come out for a year. That there was one theater full of people who played the trailer over and over again and analyzed the darned thing frame by frame with a panel of fans on the stage. Pan to the panel...all middle aged people with receding hairlines and beginning to acquire jowls. I do not get the needs for this type of fandom--not with a movie franchise or a singer or a product.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
49. It's a freaking, fictional movie
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:04 AM
Dec 2014

People out there need to get over it.

I'm just happy George Lucas wasn't involved in the day to day filiming

Orrex

(63,173 posts)
59. Damn, you got that right!
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:27 AM
Dec 2014
I'm just happy George Lucas wasn't involved in the day to day filiming
The only thing that would guarantee the disastrous failure of the third trilogy is Lucas' over-involvement.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
50. George Lucas movies are filled with negative racial stereotypes
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:32 AM
Dec 2014

Watto -- the "greedy merchant" with a hooked nose

the Sand People

Nute Gunray

Jar Jar Binks (holy crap)

and #1) Darth Vader


I was embarrassed to be in the audience of the Watto + Jar Jar Binks film. I half expected one of them to be Al Jolson in CGI. It was like watching a film written by Strom Thurman and then an editor changes only one or two words here and there -- sand people.

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
52. Why is Darth Vader your #1?
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:46 AM
Dec 2014

The sand 'people' are people that live in the sand. They are called 'Tusken Raiders'.
I agree with your pics from the prequels but what sparked outrage about the original characters?

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
55. Get out of here.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:00 AM
Dec 2014

I love that movie and that response but it's comedy.
He was always Luke's Dad. Always. Getting honestly outraged is a bit silly.

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
56. I was going to type "what's a Nubian"
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:04 AM
Dec 2014

But figured someone that hadnt seen the movie would think it was a racial dig by me.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
57. the only black actor/character in the original film is Vader -- James Earl Jones voices it
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:12 AM
Dec 2014

Lucas seems to have mixed the obvious WWII Nazi references, including Stormtroopers, with only ONE black character/actor. Basically Darth Vader is Hitler but Lucas makes Hitler black. I don't remember outrage at the time. On my scorecard it was only after Jar Jar Binks that people went back and took another look at the whole series. JJB was so over the top.

Lucas also makes the hero of the first film Aryan -- the blond haired, blue eyed Luke. So he has flipped the whole thing; an Aryan is the good guy and the leader of the space Nazis is Black.

In another twist, CNN loved the voice of evil so much that they created their tag: "This is CNN" using JEJ



Orrex

(63,173 posts)
58. Of course, David Prowse is white, so there's that.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:26 AM
Dec 2014

Jones himself

was initially uncredited in A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back because he felt his contributions were too small to warrant recognition.
From Wikipedia.

Most viewers would likely dispute his own estimate, but there we have it.

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
61. It's a stretch.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:36 AM
Dec 2014

There's obvious parallels to Nazis with the Empire.
The dogfights were also choreographed with WW2 footage.

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