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Do cops think that people WANT to be shot by them?
Jimmy Bernhard, KSDK 9:09 p.m. CST November 30, 2014
ST. LOUIS The St. Louis Police Officers Association has released a statement condemning the St. Louis Rams football players who entered the field displaying the "hands up don't shoot" pose.
Nov 30, 2014; St. Louis, MO, USA; St. Louis Rams wideNov 30, 2014; St. Louis, MO, USA; St. Louis Rams wide receiver Tavon Austin (11) puts his hands up to show support for Michael Brown before a game against the Oakland Raiders at the Edward Jones Dome.
(Photo: Jeff Curry, Jeff Curry-USA TODAY Sports)
St. Louis, Missouri (November 30, 2014) The St. Louis Police Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and engage in a display that police officers around the nation found tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.
Five members of the Rams entered the field today exhibiting the "hands-up-don't-shoot" pose that has been adopted by protestors who accused Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson of murdering Michael Brown. The gesture has become synonymous with assertions that Michael Brown was innocent of any wrongdoing and attempting to surrender peacefully when Wilson, according to some now-discredited witnesses, gunned him down in cold blood.
SLPOA Business Manager Jeff Roorda said, "now that the evidence is in and Officer Wilson's account has been verified by physical and ballistic evidence as well as eye-witness testimony, which led the grand jury to conclude that no probable cause existed that Wilson engaged in any wrongdoing, it is unthinkable that hometown athletes would so publicly perpetuate a narrative that has been disproven over-and-over again."
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/11/30/stl-police-officers-association-condemns-rams-display/19721979/?hootPostID=56e4d621f410c5ee1ef0c0b0696f34f8
Bullshit.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,829 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)If he believes what he said then he's delusional.
Beyond that, he's tone deaf beyond salvation and this alone is reason to find other work.
Pretty sick shit.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)by the constitution (which your fellow piggies) know nothing about.
mountain grammy
(26,605 posts)this Roorda guy is a whiny jerk.
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)Republican / authoritarian feigned outrage. Professional victims.
Number23
(24,544 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)So we can demand they be smarter and more self-aware. This kind of bullshit is inevitable when we treat police officer positions like janitors.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)118,000. Exactly how much pay do you think it takes to get some brains behind the badge? These are base numbers and they get really great benefits as well. Platinum. Is this similar to how janitors are paid in your area?
My town cops start at 38K with 90% of the force getting 75K. This is before benefits. Janitors around here tend to get minimum wage, $9.10 an hour but let's assume 11 an hour. That comes to 21,120 a year for full time janitorial work.
The pay is not the problem.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)Then the problem is simply quality in hiring and training.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)and still have family and friends who live in the Hood. They have been pulled over for driving while being black and a young male. Say what you will, no amount of invalidating their own personal experience will lessen or erase their own personal experience.
the only other thing I'd like to say is that people better wake up and start voting.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)ANY criticism and they curl up into a fetal position in the middle of the floor.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
Axekick
(1 post)- 17 year police veteran of Arnold Missouri, FIRED for making false statements to "cover" for another police officer by filing a report that contained false statements.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/mo-court-of-appeals/1333908.html
- On January 16, 2014, Roorda sponsored a bill that, if passed, will allow the government to close "any records and documents pertaining to police shootings if they contain the name of any officer who did the shooting, unless the officer who did the shooting has been charged with a crime as a result of the shooting, in which case such records or documents shall not be closed."
http://www.cjr.org/united_states_project/bill_would_exempt_police_shooter_names_from_disclosure.php?page=all
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Ferguson-police-shooting-Jeff-Roorda/2014/08/15/id/589048/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/13/1321314/-If-some-in-Missouri-get-their-way-we-may-never-know-who-shot-Michael-Brown
- Roorda has helped with the fundraising of Officer Darren Wilson, the Ferguson police officer who is under investigation in the killing of unarmed civilian Michael Brown
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ferguson-fundraisers-20140901-story.html#page=1
- Another incident where Roorda claims a police officer was defending himself, this one was caught entirely on video
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Surveillance-video-released-of-officer-allegedly-beating-handcuffed-teen-214091551.html
- Jeff Roorda Snaps on House Floor . . "the two had to be separated on the House floor."
http://www.24thstate.com/2010/03/jeff-roorda-snaps-on-house-floor.html
marble falls
(57,055 posts)marble falls
(57,055 posts)care:
http://thedanashow.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/branson-tea-party-demands-apology-from-jeff-roorda/
Yeah, I know: the source. It is a good article.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)As often happens when idiots have knee jerk reactions, they clearly didn't listen to the lyrics where he humanized the police "you're kneeling over his body in the vestibule... praying for his life." and "We're babtized in these waters and in each others blood."
I want to believe that it affects them and they feel remorse, then we meet Darren Wilson who just doesn't seem to even acknowledge the gravity of his role in killing Michael Brown.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)rather than a systemic, deliberate implementation of police state infrastructure and tactics by corporate politicians on both sides of the aisle.
The goal is to divert to vague psychological discussions and away from demanding that our corporate politicians implement concrete, much needed reforms.
We need an end to the federal programs that militarize our police, which this administration has expanded. We need real accountability, including a national database of police violence and relentless DOJ attention to police abuses. Instead, we are relentlessly diverted to vague psychological discussions and urged to cheer pretty, vapid speeches from our politicians that contain absolutely no concrete intent to change anything.
The truth is that this problem is federally driven, bipartisan, and as much a part of the growing police state as the mass surveillance, prison industrial complex, and assaults on journalism, other political protesters, and whistleblowers.
Corporate Republicans and the corporate Third Way are not just another flavor of politician within an essentially functioning representative government. They are ushering in fascism and dismantling democracy itself.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390424
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025413841
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025404667
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416747
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025428157
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html
It's almost certain that if the police agencies cooperate, the ACLU will find that the militarization trend has accelerated since Kraska's studies more than a decade ago. All of the policies, incentives and funding mechanisms that were driving the trend then are still in effect now. And most of them have grown in size and scope.
The George W. Bush administration actually began scaling down the Byrne and COPS programs in the early 2000s, part of a general strategy of leaving law enforcement to states and localities. But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs. The Byrne program got a $2 billion surge in funding as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, by far the largest budget in the program's 25-year history. Obama also gave the COPS program $1.55 billion that same year, a 250 percent increase over its 2008 budget, and again the largest budget in the program's history. Vice President Joe Biden had championed both programs during his time in the Senate.
The Pentagon's 1033 program has also exploded under Obama. In the program's monthly newsletter (Motto: "From Warfighter to Crimefighter" , its director announced in October 2011 that his office had given away a record $500 million in military gear in fiscal year 2011, which he noted, "passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars." He added, "I believe we can exceed that in FY 12.
Then there are the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism grants. The Center for Investigative Reporting found in a 2011 investigation that since 2001, DHS has given out more than $34 billion in grants to police departments across the country, many of which have been used to purchase military-grade guns, tanks, armor, and armored personnel carriers. The grants have gone to such unlikely terrorism targets as Fargo, N.D.; Canyon County, Idaho; and Tuscaloosa, Ala.
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-police-report
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025412909
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025413841
The exploitation of Ferguson I: In 2013 the town issued over 24,000 arrest warrants..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025404667
The exploitation of Ferguson II: The Seamy Underbelly Of Ferguson Starts To Appear
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416747
The exploitation of Ferguson III: Ferguson Feeds Off the Poor: Three Warrants a Year Per Household
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025428157
Poor minorities are worthless to corporations on the street. In prison they can bring in $40,000/yr
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023368969
Poor Land in Jail as Companies Add Huge Fees for Probation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014158005
The Caging of America - Why do we lock up so many people
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002226110
The Obama administration is aggressively growing private prisons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022568681
Obama's 2013 budget: One area of marked growth, the prison industrial complex
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/1002392306
Obama selects the owner of a private prison consulting firm as the new Director of the United States Marshals Service (USMS)
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/12/mars-d03.html
Private prison corporations move up on list on federal contractors, receiving BILLIONS
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655
Federal Private Prison Populations Grew by 784% in 10 Year Span
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4362184
Prison Labor Booms As Unemployment Remains High; Companies Reap Benefits
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/prison-labor_n_2272036.html
Private Prison Corporation's Letters to Shareholders Reveal Industry's Tactics: Profiting from Human Incarceration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022665091
Financial growth of private prison industry...Profiting from caging humans.
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/BshteP8i282pcaeH8pdUsA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTUyMA--/
We heard about private prisons...but do you know of the private probation industry?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025380204
NYT: Probation Fees Rise, Firms Profit and the Poor Go to Jail
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002893040
No Safe Place: How Cities Are Making It Illegal to be Homeless
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699724
Thrown in jail for being poor: the booming for-profit probation industry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024603515 Police Militarization (including the Obama administration's role)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html
The final ACLU report on militarization of police in America
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-police-report
"Operation Urban Shield"...Training our Police, Fire, First Responders..in Military Tactics
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025412909
napkinz
(17,199 posts)nt
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)Mustn't hurt their widdle feelings.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)some introspection by the SLPOA membership is in order. What bothered them, that no LEO were able to shoot Rams because they feared for their lives? Perhaps instead they should look at these HIGHLY PAID, VERY SUCCESSFUL AFRICAN-AMERICANS as people rather than former/future targets.
Yeah, I'm pissed off at SLPOA's tone deaf response.