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kpete

(71,965 posts) Mon Dec 1, 2014, 12:14 AM Dec 2014

James Risen: He didn't become radical, the country did

I think my real change came after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. I was covering the CIA as a beat then. And to me, it was fascinating talking to CIA people right after the invasion of Iraq and right before the invasion of Iraq, because it was kind of like privately talking to a bunch of Howard Deans. They were all radicalized against what Bush was doing.

To me it was wild to hear all of these people inside the intelligence community, especially in 2003, 2004, who were just going nuts. They couldn’t believe the radical change the United States was going through, and that nobody was opposed to it. And that led me to write my last book, State of War, because I was hearing things from within the intelligence community and the U.S. government that you weren’t hearing publicly from anybody. So that really led me to realize—and to step back and look at—the radical departure of U.S. policy that has happened since 9/11 and since the invasion of Iraq.

To me, it’s not like I’ve been radicalized, I feel like I stayed in the same place and the country changed. The country became more radicalized in a different direction.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/11/25/talking-james-risen-pay-price-war-terror-press-freedoms/

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James Risen: He didn't become radical, the country did (Original Post) kpete Dec 2014 OP

Oh, Please...the Fox News reporter who smeared Wen Ho Lee is now running to Glen Greenwald? msanthrope Dec 2014 #1

He (almost) had me , until ...." Why I wrote my book...." Blech. Nt pkdu Dec 2014 #2

I've directed more than a few DUers to the civil suit that Wen Ho Lee filed msanthrope Dec 2014 #3

Thanks for the link..Washington elite journos , willing to protect a ( government) source wrongly pkdu Dec 2014 #4

Like I said--only Libertarians think someone like James Risen is a 'hero.' So I'm not surprised msanthrope Dec 2014 #5

You're thinking of James Rosen, but this is James Risen Roselma Dec 2014 #7

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Seriously though, thanks for the post. Electric Monk Dec 2014 #10

Thank you for providing a source link that proves Risen smeared Wen Ho Lee. msanthrope Dec 2014 #17

No....Risen smeared Wen Ho Lee and was part of the payout of 1.6 million. msanthrope Dec 2014 #15

Wrong 'James' ... elias49 Dec 2014 #9

Nope..right James who smeared Wen Ho Lee. He does not work for Fox, but msanthrope Dec 2014 #16

Nah, But you did screw up. Nuf said. you don't understand sarcasm elias49 Dec 2014 #19

As I noted, Mr Risen did smear Wen Ho Lee, but does not work for Fox News. Given your animosity msanthrope Dec 2014 #20

You flatter yourself. It was a kpete OP. elias49 Dec 2014 #21

Oh...I think anyone who reads your hidden post on the nature of women knows msanthrope Dec 2014 #25

way to demonstrate you have no clue as to what you're going on about. Congrats! cali Dec 2014 #11

Please do cite this...I would appreciate the Streisand effect...... msanthrope Dec 2014 #18

The country didn't change. Just the power was seized by right-wing terrorist traitors. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #6

+1 CJCRANE Dec 2014 #23

k/r nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #8

Per American, that's a gourmet tall coffee every 4 hours ($2.00), every day/all day. closeupready Dec 2014 #13

That should be a stand alone OP Autumn Dec 2014 #24

I'll kick the "stand alone OP" comment. Please consider this as an OP. Scuba Dec 2014 #26

Kick for exposure. elias49 Dec 2014 #12

And another. (nt) enough Dec 2014 #14

Huge K&R woo me with science Dec 2014 #22

Turns out the Intercept does actually write stories Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #27

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

1. Oh, Please...the Fox News reporter who smeared Wen Ho Lee is now running to Glen Greenwald?

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 12:16 AM

Dec 2014

Last edited Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:03 AM - Edit history (1)

Perfect company....absolutely perfect company.

Judith Miller, redux.

on edit.....james risen does not work for fox.....that's james rosen.

but james risen did smear wen ho lee, thus figuring into the 1.6 million dollar settlement that Mr. Lee received.

pkdu

(3,977 posts)

2. He (almost) had me , until ...." Why I wrote my book...." Blech. Nt

Reply to msanthrope (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 12:29 AM

Dec 2014

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

3. I've directed more than a few DUers to the civil suit that Wen Ho Lee filed

Reply to pkdu (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 12:34 AM

Dec 2014

in response to the smearing and the government persecution that was promulgated by Risen's reporting....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/02/AR2006060201060.html

Note that Risen was told by a federal judge that if he didn't give his sources, he would have to go to jail.....(and this was a decade ago!)

Only a libertarian like Glen Greenwald would think this guy is some sort of hero.

pkdu

(3,977 posts)

4. Thanks for the link..Washington elite journos , willing to protect a ( government) source wrongly

Reply to msanthrope (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 12:42 AM

Dec 2014

pointing the finger at the little guy...gotta protect your right to be the go to guy for Insiders...so much for the Fourth Estate

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

5. Like I said--only Libertarians think someone like James Risen is a 'hero.' So I'm not surprised

Reply to pkdu (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 12:45 AM

Dec 2014

that Greenwald has taken up his cause.

Roselma

(540 posts)

7. You're thinking of James Rosen, but this is James Risen

Reply to msanthrope (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 02:12 AM

Dec 2014

from the New York Times.

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)

10. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Seriously though, thanks for the post.

Reply to Roselma (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 02:21 AM

Dec 2014

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Rosen_%28journalist%29

Not to be confused with the American journalist for The New York Times, James Risen.

(snip)

James Rosen is an American journalist and television correspondent. He currently works as a Washington, D.C. correspondent for the Fox News Channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Risen

James Risen (born c. 1955) is a Pulitzer Prize-winning American journalist for The New York Times who previously worked for the Los Angeles Times. He has written or co-written many articles concerning U.S. government activities and is the author or co-author of two books about the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and a book about the American public debate about abortion.

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

17. Thank you for providing a source link that proves Risen smeared Wen Ho Lee.

Reply to Electric Monk (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:10 AM

Dec 2014

You are correct that he did not work for Fox.

But that he was part of the 1.6 million dollar payout paid to Mr Lee... you have just proven for me beyond the shadow of a doubt.

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

15. No....Risen smeared Wen Ho Lee and was part of the payout of 1.6 million.

Reply to Roselma (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:05 AM

Dec 2014

He does not work for Fox, albeit appears on them to claim victimhood status.

elias49

(4,259 posts)

9. Wrong 'James' ...

Reply to msanthrope (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 02:21 AM

Dec 2014

Gotta be more careful!!

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

16. Nope..right James who smeared Wen Ho Lee. He does not work for Fox, but

Reply to elias49 (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:07 AM

Dec 2014

does like to appear on the network frequently bashing the Obama administration for having the temerity to follow the law in his case.

Are you now following me from thread to thread after I alerted on one of your posts and it was hidden 7-0?

elias49

(4,259 posts)

19. Nah, But you did screw up. Nuf said. you don't understand sarcasm

Reply to msanthrope (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:28 AM

Dec 2014

strange for a LAWYER. And it's Risen. Not Rosen. You must have a love affair with the Obama admin.
Oh yeah...it was not 7-0 either. Haha! Messed up again.

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

20. As I noted, Mr Risen did smear Wen Ho Lee, but does not work for Fox News. Given your animosity

Reply to elias49 (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:04 AM

Dec 2014

towards me for that 7-0 hide, why not desist from following my posts?

elias49

(4,259 posts)

21. You flatter yourself. It was a kpete OP.

Reply to msanthrope (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:06 AM

Dec 2014

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

25. Oh...I think anyone who reads your hidden post on the nature of women knows

Reply to elias49 (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 01:13 PM

Dec 2014

exactly what's going on here.

cali

(114,904 posts)

11. way to demonstrate you have no clue as to what you're going on about. Congrats!

Reply to msanthrope (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 03:15 AM

Dec 2014

now run, run away and pretend you didn't exhibit your awesome ignorance for all to see!

I'll kick this for you from time to time.

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

18. Please do cite this...I would appreciate the Streisand effect......

Reply to cali (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:16 AM

Dec 2014

James Risen did in fact smear Wen Ho Lee, and was part of the 1.6 million dollar payout paid to him.

That was proven by Electric Monk upthread.

Did he work for Fox News? No?

I have absolutely no problem with you pushing the narrative that me making a mistake about where a person works is more important than the central issue that James Risen is a libertarian hero.... and he got that way on the back of an ethnic minority who had limited resources to fight back.

That indicates a helluva lot more about you than me.

now if you had a single fact to refute the Wen Ho Lee allegations you would post them wouldn't you?

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)

6. The country didn't change. Just the power was seized by right-wing terrorist traitors.

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 01:57 AM

Dec 2014

If Al Gore had stood his ground and been a leader-in-exile, I would have been a loyal soldier for him and for this country.

And I would have fought for the Constitution if anyone at all had bothered to stand for it in Washington.

But we all failed. No one in the elite stood against Bush; no one in the military command said "Hell no!" to their treasonous commands; no one stood up and filled the moral vacuum. We all just went on our merry way.

Maybe I had a legitimate excuse in the fact that I was just a teenager, but I take responsibility anyway, because I knew the state of the country at the time. I didn't have faith in my fellow Americans. I retreated into internet trolling, skulking around GOP sites making their worm-like peons feel my anger. That's the best that I did.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)

23. +1

Reply to True Blue Door (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:12 AM

Dec 2014

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)

8. k/r

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 02:16 AM

Dec 2014

Every hour, taxpayers in the United States are paying $10.54 million for Total Cost of Wars Since 2001

Every hour, taxpayers in the United States are paying $8.43 million for Homeland Security Since 9/11.

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/

$20 MILLION DOLLARS PER HOUR. But all of a sudden Wen Ho Lee is very important. Sure.

This is the biggest ripoff in human history. Who reading this will benefit from a single dollar spent on this clusterF*?

The people complaining about WHL don't seem to care about Hillary and her vote for the Iraq war much. Or the countless innocents being drone bombed into the next life.

"I Cast My Vote With CONVICTION"!

Edit to add: James Risen won the 2014 Elijah Parish Lovejoy Award for investigative journalism, particularly for demonstrating "courage in his commitment to protect his sources and combat pressures that would undermine his work and that of other journalists."

closeupready

(29,503 posts)

13. Per American, that's a gourmet tall coffee every 4 hours ($2.00), every day/all day.

Reply to nationalize the fed (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:48 AM

Dec 2014

But to put it in very salient terms, every working wage-earner and taxpayer should be reminded of this fact: that of the taxes they pay, this is the portion that is going to support war/fear-mongering industries.