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JI7

(89,173 posts)
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:18 AM Dec 2014

Elizabeth Warren to Israel, Makes First Overseas Trip as Senator

this is actually from last week just before thanksgiving so she is probably back already. i didn't see anything about it posted on here. i was trying to find details on the trip itself but couldn't find anything on it.


<Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren is the latest member on Congress to make a trek to Israel.

She is there this week -- her first foreign trip since being elected to the Senate in 2012 -- and already she's met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday.

She arrived in the region Saturday, and aides say she will also head to the West Bank and Jordan as part of a Middle East trip organized by the State Department and Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee.

During her trip, the aides say, she is expected to meet with other Israeli and Jordanian government officials as well as some from the Palestinian Authority. She also will see some U.S. military troops from Massachusetts serving in the region.>



http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/politics/elizabeth-warren-israel-trip-makes-first-overseas-visit-as-senator/

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Elizabeth Warren to Israel, Makes First Overseas Trip as Senator (Original Post) JI7 Dec 2014 OP
I like Elizabeth - a lot - but am greatly disappointed in her blind support of Israel's pogrom. Scuba Dec 2014 #1
Unlike the blind support for Palestinians? Archae Dec 2014 #2
I know nothing about the hateful link you posted, but EW is on record as saying the ... Scuba Dec 2014 #3
What is "hateful" about facts? Archae Dec 2014 #6
What's hateful about it? Well, for starters ... Scuba Dec 2014 #7
the same can be said for Israel cali Dec 2014 #8
I appreciate your post. 840high Dec 2014 #29
Link please - I can't think of any American politician who does not support the 2 state solution karynnj Dec 2014 #12
I think you've got it right. I'll look for a link if I have time (it's out there). Scuba Dec 2014 #14
how is asking the world unilateral? liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #15
The word in this context means that it is declared by the Palestinians rather karynnj Dec 2014 #23
Here .... Scuba Dec 2014 #17
how many decades is the US going the drag our feet and say we support a liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #20
This is the dance that most American politicians are doing -- and the words are karynnj Dec 2014 #21
Bernie Sanders risks political suicide everyday with the remarks he makes about the 1%. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #22
It's to be expected, she was a right wing Republican for most of her life, anti gay, anti choice and Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #4
Can you please provide links showing her cheering for Reagan/Reaganomics? Thanks. Scuba Dec 2014 #5
ThinkProgress: Warren was "a registered Republican in Pennsylvania from 1991 to 1996" ucrdem Dec 2014 #25
The link doesn't back up your claim that Warren cheered for Reagan/Reaganomics. In fact ... Scuba Dec 2014 #26
If that was so in the 80s, why was she still GOP in the 90s? ucrdem Dec 2014 #30
How do you know she was in the GOP in the 80's? Scuba Dec 2014 #31
I think this post is one of the fairest about Senator Warren I have read. msanthrope Dec 2014 #24
the trip already happened JI7 Dec 2014 #10
But she's not running!11!1!!! Le Taz Hot Dec 2014 #9
Glad to hear, Warren has been a good friend to the Jewish state. tritsofme Dec 2014 #11
and dead Palestinians next door in Gaza. BillZBubb Dec 2014 #28
Yea, she's not running. No. Uh-uh. No way. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #13
why does a trip to Israel mean she is running for pres ? JI7 Dec 2014 #16
Glad to hear that she'll be visiting both Israel and the West Bank... LeftishBrit Dec 2014 #18
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is way too sensitive an issue for most people.... YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #19
That is unfortunate. Another politician bowing down to AIPAC. BillZBubb Dec 2014 #27
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. I like Elizabeth - a lot - but am greatly disappointed in her blind support of Israel's pogrom.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:15 AM
Dec 2014

It'll be interesting to hear what she has to say on this trip.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
3. I know nothing about the hateful link you posted, but EW is on record as saying the ...
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:26 AM
Dec 2014

... Palestinians do not deserve statehood and that the US should continue to militarily support Israel, despite their horrible oppression and murdering of the Palestinian people.

On this issue, EW comes up short. I still support her though.

Archae

(46,260 posts)
6. What is "hateful" about facts?
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 01:18 PM
Dec 2014

Fact: Much of the Palestinian media puts out praise for terrorists like the synagogue killers, Holocaust denial and other vicious anti-Jew propaganda.

This web site records and then points out these facts.

If you have any examples of this site being "hateful," show me.

I realize it does punch a big hole in the "Palestinians can do no wrong" narrative, but that's how it is.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
7. What's hateful about it? Well, for starters ...
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:12 PM
Dec 2014

... it's a one-sided propaganda mechanism, demonizing a people who are systematically being exterminated by a much stronger force. Israel bombs a hospital , clinics and ambulances, even sites where they had advised Palestinians to seek refuge, but when the Palestinians fight back your referenced site calls them "terrorists."

The site only serves as a water-carrier for Israel crimes against the Palestinian people, with no balance calling out the atrocities being committed against those people.

I'm not in the Palestinians-can-do-no-wrong camp, so save that bullshit for someone else. I'm simply aware that the well-funded and heavily-armed Israeli military is committing genocide against the much weaker Palestinians and the site you linked presents hateful propaganda supporting that genocide.

Shame on you for posting it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. the same can be said for Israel
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:15 PM
Dec 2014

there's plenty of hateful disgusting shit on both sides. The difference is that Israel has the whip hand and is an occupier.

karynnj

(59,474 posts)
12. Link please - I can't think of any American politician who does not support the 2 state solution
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:27 PM
Dec 2014

-- which, of course, includes a Palestinian state. I suspect that you are going to find a link where she - like the Obama administration - is against a unilateral Palestinian effort to go to UN and have a state declared.

Whether you support the Palestinians in that effort or not, you will be hard pressed to find ANY US politician - and certainly none with serious potential presidential hopes - who will take that position. (Consider that AIPAC is livid that John Kerry and President Obama have spoken out as much as they have and they went further than previous administartions -- even though I doubt any Pro Palestine group thinks either did anything for their side.)

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
14. I think you've got it right. I'll look for a link if I have time (it's out there).
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:30 PM
Dec 2014

I think you're also correct that our entire field of potential candidates is tainted on this issue. That's part of why I said I still support Warren despite her position on this.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
15. how is asking the world unilateral?
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:35 PM
Dec 2014

Why should the US's opinion mean more than 200 countries' opinions?

karynnj

(59,474 posts)
23. The word in this context means that it is declared by the Palestinians rather
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 05:19 PM
Dec 2014

than negotiated with Israel. I suspect that as Israel goes further to the right - with Netanyahu allying with more and more extreme people to preserve his coalition, there could be a point where no one believes that they ever will agree to a Palestinian state. At this point, we may stand alone willing to believe that it could happen.

It will though be interesting if you effort of the Palestinians shifts to a binational Israel where everyone has equal rights. Israel has always had to chose 2 out of three (Jewish, democratic and all the land). It is interesting that the controversial Jewish state bill that has Israel's politics in chaos could be choosing Jewish over anything that could be seen as democratic.

Last summer there were many articles pointing out that it was increasingly difficult to be a liberal Zionist. This may be the point where those two pieces simply become incompatible -- and I don't expect US politicians to admit what many American Jews are now having difficulty with accepting - while others cling ever tighter because they see Israel threatened by this.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
17. Here ....
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:37 PM
Dec 2014
To me, it is a moral imperative to support and defend Israel, and I am committed to ensuring its long-term security by maintaining its qualitative military edge. Israel must be able to defend itself from the serious threats it faces from terrorist organizations to hostile states, including Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, and others.


I am also a strong proponent of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which I believe to be in the interest of Israel and the United States, with a Jewish, democratic state of Israel and a state for the Palestinian people. The U.S. can and should play an active role in promoting a diplomatic resolution to the conflict that is agreed to by the parties, but I do not believe that a lasting peace can be imposed from the outside or that either party should take unilateral steps - such as the Palestinians' application for UN membership - that move the parties further away from negotiations.


http://elizabethwarren.com/issues/foreign-policy


I drew the "does not support statehood" conclusion from her lack of support for Palestinian UN membership. Interesting to see the "proponent of a two-state solution" language. I don't recall that from reading this previously, but that may be on me.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
20. how many decades is the US going the drag our feet and say we support a
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:49 PM
Dec 2014

Palestinian state and yet not recognize the fact that somewhere around 200 countries already recognize a Palestinian state? As with any other policy I believe it has to do with positioning and figuring out what we and our allies can get out of the situation. And we all know how well it goes for the other country when we are busy figuring out what we and our allies can get out of a situation.

karynnj

(59,474 posts)
21. This is the dance that most American politicians are doing -- and the words are
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 05:06 PM
Dec 2014

very very similar to Obama's. Seriously, not even Bernie Sanders, who is Jewish, will go any further. (Not to mention, it would be political suicide.)

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
22. Bernie Sanders risks political suicide everyday with the remarks he makes about the 1%.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 05:11 PM
Dec 2014

Elizabeth Warren risks political suicide everyday with the remarks she makes about banks. We desperately need politicians who are willing to risk political suicide.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. It's to be expected, she was a right wing Republican for most of her life, anti gay, anti choice and
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:10 AM
Dec 2014

of course opposed to a Palestinian State. Did you read her moving statement about racism in America after the Wilson verdict? No, neither did I. Another thing I've never heard her talk about is the fact that she continued to vote for Ronald Reagan even after thousands of Americans were dead from AIDS and her Party and President did nothing about it at all, they did howl with laughter about it on one occasion which clearly Liz did not mind at all, she voted for Ronnie again and then for George Bush a couple of times. I compare the panic and swift action over one (1) dead tourist with Ebola to the indifference to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans. By the time Warren's President and Party even mentioned AIDS, there were over 20,000 dead. How is that in any way good, how is it acceptable, how does that suggest that she is caring or smart or brave? She was everything I opposed from birth until she recently dropped the Right Wing shit and focused on getting us back to Reaganomics. She speaks only of money.


I dig some of her words about money, but I am far from being ready to trust this Bush voter with my Civil Rights, to blindly give some Reagan supporter the keys to the country. Reagan drove it over a cliff while Warren cheered for him and made millions. If she wants my vote, she has much talking to do, and frankly I don't think she's capable of it. I think she is still socially far more conservative than her white Straight affluent supporters know.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
5. Can you please provide links showing her cheering for Reagan/Reaganomics? Thanks.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:14 AM
Dec 2014

On edit: who do you support that backs the civil rights and economics positions you espouse?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
25. ThinkProgress: Warren was "a registered Republican in Pennsylvania from 1991 to 1996"
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:13 PM
Dec 2014

APRIL 27, 2014 :

Stephanopoulos, host of ABC’s The Week, noted something in her background that “might surprise” her supporters: the fact that she has voted Republican in the past, and was a registered Republican in Pennsylvania from 1991 to 1996.


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/27/3431303/warren-left-gop/

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
26. The link doesn't back up your claim that Warren cheered for Reagan/Reaganomics. In fact ...
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 10:40 PM
Dec 2014

... from your link:

“Starting in the 80s, the cops were taken off the beat in financial services,” Warren explained. “These guys [the big financial institutions] were allowed to just paint a bullseye on the backs of american families. They loaded up on risk, the crashed the economy ..."


That doesn't sound like "Reagan drove it over a cliff while Warren cheered for him" as you claim.

As for Reaganites despicable laughter regarding the AIDS issue, your assertion that "Liz did not mind at all" assumes facts not present. Was she aware of the laughter? How can you prove she even knew Reagan was doing nothing regarding AIDS? Perhaps she was oblivious to the issue, as were millions of others.

What Warren is quoted as saying in the article is "I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while ..." but there are no dates to even show her membership in the GOP coinciding with Reagan's tenure.


Without better support for your claims, I'm going to have to rate them as "false."



ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
30. If that was so in the 80s, why was she still GOP in the 90s?
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 01:19 AM
Dec 2014

What I'm really getting at is that there's a recurring inconsistency in her statements that does not bode well for the campaign trail. Another example would be the two statements you quoted above. (in #17)

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
24. I think this post is one of the fairest about Senator Warren I have read.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:43 PM
Dec 2014

I think she can do great things in the Senate.

JI7

(89,173 posts)
10. the trip already happened
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:18 PM
Dec 2014

This left last week and I assume returned by thanksgiving but I can't find anything on the details of the trip.

Maybe it was more an observation and meet and greet type thing since out was her first one.

tritsofme

(17,320 posts)
11. Glad to hear, Warren has been a good friend to the Jewish state.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:26 PM
Dec 2014

Hope she has a wonderful trip to the land of milk and honey!

LeftishBrit

(41,190 posts)
18. Glad to hear that she'll be visiting both Israel and the West Bank...
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:38 PM
Dec 2014

I hope this heralds support for two states.

Is she likely to be visiting the UK at any time?

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
19. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is way too sensitive an issue for most people....
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:43 PM
Dec 2014

..to look at objectively, regardless of whose "side" they are on.

I think we could all do ourselves and each other a favor to learn about and respect the incredibly complex history of this issue, taking our time to form our opinions, rather than indulging in knee-jerk reactions.

-My $0.02, just a thought, etc.

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