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Eugene

(61,872 posts)
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 03:32 PM Dec 2014

New York horse and buggy drivers fear imminent job loss

Source: Reuters

New York horse and buggy drivers fear imminent job loss

BY LAILA KEARNEY
NEW YORK Mon Dec 1, 2014 2:06pm EST

(Reuters) - Hundreds of New York horse and buggy drivers could be on the road to unemployment if a ban of the historic trade makes its way through the city council, a union representing carriage drivers said on Monday.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio campaigned on a promise to eliminate the carriages, which trace their roots to the days before cars and remain a popular tourist draw, but have attracted increasing criticism from animal-rights advocates in recent years.

De Blasio plans to introduce an ordinance this month that would outlaw buggy rides by mid-2016, news website Capital New York reported on Monday, citing sources that had seen the draft.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/01/us-usa-new-york-horses-idUSKCN0JF32E20141201
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New York horse and buggy drivers fear imminent job loss (Original Post) Eugene Dec 2014 OP
Mid-2016 is not imminent Sanity Claws Dec 2014 #1
I'm sorry about those losing jobs but this can't happen soon enough Beaverhausen Dec 2014 #2
Do you know what happens to horses that aren't needed anymore? HubertHeaver Dec 2014 #5
really? Google 'horse rescue New York" Beaverhausen Dec 2014 #6
They are looking for donations. HubertHeaver Dec 2014 #7
How many animals will suddenly need to be housed and for how long? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Dec 2014 #3
Good. The horses need to be out of their terrible jobs. Arugula Latte Dec 2014 #4
Animal right extremism married to a real estate magnate's desire for the land the stables stand on. bklyncowgirl Dec 2014 #8

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
1. Mid-2016 is not imminent
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 03:50 PM
Dec 2014

They are used by tourists only. As a resident, I won't miss them in the slightest.

HubertHeaver

(2,522 posts)
5. Do you know what happens to horses that aren't needed anymore?
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 07:39 PM
Dec 2014

Hint: There is no "old horse farm" anywhere.

HubertHeaver

(2,522 posts)
7. They are looking for donations.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 02:24 AM
Dec 2014

Horses are very expensive to keep so they need large amounts of donations. As they say, "Pony up!"

When I posted my response I thought someone might come back with an example of an "old horse farm" staffed by very dedicated people, from the veterinarians to the stable cleaners and every one in between. Not all horses are so lucky.

That is the dark side of the horse industry. The unwanted, unneeded, uncared for end up in the glue factory or food chain--animal and human.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
9. How many animals will suddenly need to be housed and for how long?
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 07:42 AM
Dec 2014

If the answer is, "More than the shelters can handle" the overflow will be put down.

Response to Eugene (Original post)

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
8. Animal right extremism married to a real estate magnate's desire for the land the stables stand on.
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 07:24 AM
Dec 2014

Almost everything I've seen from the animals rights groups on this issue has been a mix of ignorance, small issues blown out of proportion and memories of the old days when this industry was totally unregulated and real abuses rampant.

I remember seeing a news crew shooting a picture of a horse standing in a well ventilated box stall with rubber matting and a nice bed of clean shavings talking about cramped stalls and inadequate bedding. As horse people my daughter and I couldn't stop laughing. The horror show shots of horses in traffic on one of the websites showed very well behaved horses encountering very poorly behaved New York drivers. The real money behind this movement of course is a real estate developer with eyes on the stables which gives the animal rights groups a voice beyond their numbers.

As for the politics, a coalition with almost unlimited funds ran vicious attack ads against DeBlasio's primary opponent, Christine Quinn, accusing the poor woman of supporting unspecified animal abuse--as if she and her partner were torturing puppies in their basement or something. DeBlasio owes these people big time and it seems he's about to deliver.

I realize that there are some people on this board who believe that animals should not be 'enslaved' and that all the horses will be turned out on some lovely farm somewhere to live out their lives in clover and not be forced to work for humans. I got news for you, A small operator like most of these drivers are, will pretty much have to sell his/her horses to the highest bidder to salvage something of a business shut down by politics.

While a few of these horses may go to rescues (hopefully real rescues not tax scam operations) most will either be sold to other carriage or hack barn operators in other states, probably in places where they will be working under less regulated conditions, to private owners who may or may not have the knowledge and resources to take proper care of them, to the Amish who will use them till they drop and then dump them at the sales.

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