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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 03:45 PM Dec 2014

The Rude Pundit - Joe Scarborough Says Almost All of Us Agree That Michael Brown Was a "Thug"

This morning, the Rude Pundit awoke as he usually does, stumbling over someone's pants while heading into the bathroom to Listerine out the lingering pot residue and genital tang of the night before from his mouth. Then he made coffee and headed into the living room at Le Chateau du Rude, determined not to turn on the MSNBC, feeling that he wasn't ready for the beady-eyed, dull masturbator stare of Joe Scarborough and the cruel dominatrix sneer of Mika Brzezezezezinski. He clicked onto the CNN, which was babbling something about the St. Louis Rams players who dared to act like they are human beings with a point of view. And, without even thinking, he clicked over to Morning Starbucks with Joe and beheld an especially keyed up Borough of Scar near tears at the pathetic people who think executed teenager Michael Brown, late of Ferguson, Missouri, is a hero.

"There are so many great people to embrace as heroes in the black community that deciding you're going to embrace a guy who knocked over a convenience store, and then according to grand jury testimony, acted in ways that would get my children shot...that's your hero? That's the reason you want to burn down black businesses?" Joey Scarboy huffed.

"The fuck?" the Rude Pundit thought. "Who thinks Michael Brown's a hero? He's a victim and a symbol, nothing more, nothing less. Don't fuckin' tell me who my heroes are, you whiny cockhead." Let's leave aside that shoplifting cigarillos and shoving a store owner is not exactly the same as knocking over a store, which, if you remember your 1950s thug movie lingo, means "robbing of all its cash."

Oh, but Joey wasn't done, not by a long shot. Michael Brown was a "thug," see, and, as such, deserves no sympathy and no place as "the face of black oppression." It should be noted that Joe Scarborough is, in fact, white, as were the other three people seated around the MSNBC morning buffet of condemnation. Of the protesters, Scar said, “They might as well have come out with a flying saucer attached on all their heads in solidarity of Michael Brown being transported to Venus on a flying saucer because that happened as much as that happened." It should be noted that Mika Brzzzzzinksi sneered in response.

Joey was also pissed off about more. He was pissed off at the aforementioned footballers, who put their hands up in a gesture of solidarity with the protesters in their own town. He was pissed off at how the Cleveland cops who drove right up to a 12 year-old with a toy gun (that supposedly looked real) and shot him dead immediately are being treated poorly by the New York Times. And Joey was pissed off at his own show's guests: "You know what pisses me off too is I have people around this set all the time. They let me say what I say on set and they sit and stare at me, slack-jawed. They're afraid to say anything on the air, even though they know it's BS. People (are) saying one thing when the camera's on and then saying something completely different when the camera gets turned off, because they're somehow afraid they'll be called racist if they tell the truth." To which one can only say: Why the fuck don't you get some other guests instead of the silent sycophants?

Minion Donny Deutsch removed Scarborough's dick from his mouth just long enough to declare that he, Donny Deutsch, is "left of center," but he stands with Scarborough. "I could not agree with every word you said more passionately," Deutsch smirked. "It's not a black-white situation. It's a thug-police officer situation." Scarborough nodded approvingly and then gestured for Deutsch to shut up and put that dick back in his mouth, which Deutsch did with amazing speed and enthusiasm.

He cares about the cops, that Joey Scar. &quot W)e’re doing such a grave disservice to police officers," he said. The Rams should apologize to the cops, the Times should apologize to the cops, shit, to Scarborough's logic, Michael Brown should apologize to Darren Wilson for not leaving behind a note saying exactly what he was doing when he turned around and moved towards the cop.

It was an amazing performance, especially the part where Joey tried to give himself credibility by talking about how he believed that George Zimmerman was a thug who shot and murdered Trayvon Martin. He wants you to know exactly where he stands: &quot I)n this case, if my child or your child knocked over a convenience store and then went down the middle of the street shouting profanities at a police officer, let’s just say in Staten Island, in Queens, and then went into the car and started punching the police officer and grabbing for his gun, he’d probably be shot in the car."

Put aside for a moment that the mention of Staten Island evokes the execution by cop of Eric Garner. Instead, what someone needs to explain to everyone who says that Michael Brown was shot dead because he tried to take the gun from a cop is that unarmed Michael Brown wasn't trying to take the gun from a cop when he was killed. He was dozens of yards away. If he had been killed while trying to take the gun, this might be an easier case. What makes those of us pissed off about this case so pissed off (yeah, just like Joey) is that when Brown headed away from the SUV, Wilson should have thought about other options. He didn't. He just shot. Ten times.

Instead of contemplating any other possible way of framing the issue, Joe Scarborough reached into his asshole and pulled out a hyperbolic number: "If I've offended anybody offended anybody by saying what I've said, trust me, 95% of America thinks just like me." Which would be true if it wasn't complete and utter bullshit.

The other white guy on the set, Mark Halperin, started to say something after he removed his nose from Scarborough's asshole, but by then the Rude Pundit had had more than his fill and went to find whiskey to put in the coffee to make it through the day.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/12/joe-scarborough-says-almost-all-of-us.html

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The Rude Pundit - Joe Scarborough Says Almost All of Us Agree That Michael Brown Was a "Thug" (Original Post) meegbear Dec 2014 OP
Two words for Joe Scarborough nichomachus Dec 2014 #1
Why dont I recall seeing an official report of what happened to her? NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #27
An arrhythmia would have to be speculation at best, would it not? 3catwoman3 Dec 2014 #42
I've never seen nor heard white folks being referred to as "thugs" Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #2
+1 Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #4
If a young white person steals, he/she is simply a misguided youth Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #5
Brown is lucky he wasnt doing his impersonation of "Radio Raheem" NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #28
"Thug" currently functions as nothing more than code for "criminal n*gger" alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #6
Close ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #21
Don't forget mostly white "union thugs" that they rail against as well. hedda_foil Dec 2014 #9
I've often called white robbers, muggers and burglars "thugs." ... spin Dec 2014 #13
Yep it used to be an acceptable word in our age bracket. zeemike Dec 2014 #22
Yeah I am near your age and didn't know that had happened to the word. Chemisse Dec 2014 #31
Even the origin of the word is racist Nevernose Dec 2014 #41
Maybe not on the tee vee arikara Dec 2014 #50
Ouch..the truth...served up rather rudely...but effectively. nt Ninga Dec 2014 #3
Morning Joe is an idiot Gothmog Dec 2014 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author searchfortruth1 Dec 2014 #36
Morning Joke Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #40
There are only five thugs alive on this planet- period snooper2 Dec 2014 #8
As I posted in another thread, I had the same reaction to scar's use of "knocked over." Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2014 #10
Scarborough is an inflamed and pustulent boil hifiguy Dec 2014 #11
Brown doesn't have to be a hero, and plenty of murder victims aren't heroes bhikkhu Dec 2014 #12
Good post! Martin Eden Dec 2014 #43
ah, the great and liberal m$nbc spanone Dec 2014 #14
As bad as MSNBC can be they are a virtual fountain of truth compared to the alternatives NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #29
for three full hours, five days a week, they are every bit as bad as the worse. spanone Dec 2014 #44
95% of people believe him? Pulling statistics out of your ass is a sign that it's time to move jillan Dec 2014 #15
I'd love to see the survey that supports that statistic. Chemisse Dec 2014 #32
Please Quit turbinetree Dec 2014 #16
at faux you will receive the well deserved adoration hopemountain Dec 2014 #52
scar is a piece of lying shit samsingh Dec 2014 #17
Joe is just MSNBC's Sean Vannity with a muzzle. Hulk Dec 2014 #18
I'm pissed off at Dead Intern Scarborough. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #19
In the promo from MSNBC they brag out the show's ratings.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #20
Keith got fired because he was Man Enough to put his money where his mouth is. Volaris Dec 2014 #23
Scar get paid to attend RW functions. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #39
Controversy attracts viewers Martin Eden Dec 2014 #45
The corporate types also hated Keith's regulars.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #47
and allow him to shout & cut them off midsentence nt hopemountain Dec 2014 #51
Did this graphic a while back regarding Tweety... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #54
Last time I checked Michael Brown was convicted of shoplifting as many cigarillos as Joe Johonny Dec 2014 #24
The cop is presumed innocent? Yupster Dec 2014 #34
There's a difference between a chat site like DU and a news program on MSNBC Johonny Dec 2014 #35
Intentionally conflating the sentence of a court with opinions on a message board... LanternWaste Dec 2014 #48
Been arguing with the racist jackasses in the STL Today forums all day... Moostache Dec 2014 #25
I saw that vile performance this morning. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #26
the whole argument is ridiculous. It doesn't matter if he was Mr. Rogers or Charles Manson SweetieD Dec 2014 #30
So, if 95% agree that Michael Brown was a "thug"..? kentuck Dec 2014 #33
A most perfect description, especially of Joe wheniwasincongress Dec 2014 #37
"Don't fuckin' tell me who my heroes are, you whiny cockhead." UPDATE: NFL will not discipline Rams Cha Dec 2014 #38
Dead Intern Joe casually threatening to backhand another woman... Ino Dec 2014 #46
100% of rich white men named Joe with MSNBC shows polled agree. n/t Orsino Dec 2014 #49
come on Joe pettypace Dec 2014 #53

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
27. Why dont I recall seeing an official report of what happened to her?
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 07:17 PM
Dec 2014
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/15/956651/-The-Ugly-Story-in-Joe-Scarborough-s-Political-Closet

What i have seen is this


Why should we doubt the finding of an accidental death in the Lori Klausutis case? Here are several reasons:

* The nature of the head trauma does not suggest an accidental death--According to a report fromAmerican Politics Journal (APJ), Dr. Michael Berkland, medical examiner, determined that Klausutis had an undiagnosed cardiac arrhythmia that caused her to faint and hit her head on a desk in Scarborough's office. Reports APJ:

There are several problems with the head injury. Generally, for a closed head injury to cause bleeding inside the skull, there is a much more severe injury on the outside of the skull. Do the autopsy notes, indeed, describe such a severe injury on the outside of the skull? In fact, the only closed head injury which usually may cause bleeding inside the skull involves a fracture of the temporal bone, with rupture of the underlying artery. The most important discrepancy that should be answered is how intracranial bleeding could continue if the cardiac arrhythmia had caused a cessation of blood flow to the brain.
* The fainting story does not add up--What is the likelihood that an apparently healthy woman, who ran marathons, would faint and hit her head on a desk in such a way that would cause death? It's pretty unlikely, our research indicates. Reports APJ:

Presumably the heart valve condition alluded to is Mitral Valve Prolapse. This may be associated with arrhythmias, but rarely with VTach (ventricular tachycardia) or VFib (ventricular fibrillation), the only arrhythmias which would stop the flow of blood to the brain.
Generally, with syncope of whatever cause the "guarding reflex," wherein one raises a hand to protect the head, is preserved.



3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
42. An arrhythmia would have to be speculation at best, would it not?
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:27 PM
Dec 2014

You cannot get an EKG on a dead person, AFAIK.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
2. I've never seen nor heard white folks being referred to as "thugs"
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 03:48 PM
Dec 2014

(unless they played for the Boston Bruins)

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. If a young white person steals, he/she is simply a misguided youth
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 03:55 PM
Dec 2014

If a black person like Michael Brown steals, he's a thug deserving of summary execution.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
28. Brown is lucky he wasnt doing his impersonation of "Radio Raheem"
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 07:20 PM
Dec 2014

cuz we know loud music can really get you in trouble.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
6. "Thug" currently functions as nothing more than code for "criminal n*gger"
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 03:58 PM
Dec 2014

Anybody who uses it to refer to a black teenager is racist as the day is long, period.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. Close ...
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:26 PM
Dec 2014
Thug" currently functions as nothing more than code for "criminal n*gger"


Just leave off the "criminal" part.

spin

(17,493 posts)
13. I've often called white robbers, muggers and burglars "thugs." ...
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:19 PM
Dec 2014

Of course I am 68 and over the years the term began to be used as a code word for young black men.

Once I realized this I stopped using the term. It's kind of a shame as the definition worked well for me when I was describing low level criminals or members of the mob or motorcycle gang members.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
22. Yep it used to be an acceptable word in our age bracket.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:39 PM
Dec 2014

But the right wing stole it and used it so they did not have to use the N word...like the Rude one pointed out.

The power they have with words is due to media...and they own it.
And I have not watched it in years...fuck them, I don't want to hear their shit propaganda.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
31. Yeah I am near your age and didn't know that had happened to the word.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 07:34 PM
Dec 2014

I just used it the other day to refer to Darren Wilson!

Now that I know it has evolved to become a racist term, I will stop using it.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
41. Even the origin of the word is racist
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:00 PM
Dec 2014

It referred to a cult of (admittedly murderous) cultists of Kali in colonial India, the Thugees, but quickly became a British slur for Indians, and eventually in America for criminal.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
50. Maybe not on the tee vee
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 03:54 PM
Dec 2014

but I refer to the cops as thugs all the time.

Edit to say that I didn't know that it became a racist term. It seems so appropriate for the way so many of the cops are now.

Response to Gothmog (Reply #7)

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,833 posts)
10. As I posted in another thread, I had the same reaction to scar's use of "knocked over."
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:16 PM
Dec 2014

Shoplifting a pack of cigars is not the same as knocking over a convenience store. It connotes a much more serious and forceful crime and using the term inappropriately like this serves only to make Brown out to be someone deserving of his fate. And that's before you even figure in that if Wilson knew about the shoplifting or had associated Brown and his friend with it, he wouldn't have been on them about jaywalking.

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
12. Brown doesn't have to be a hero, and plenty of murder victims aren't heroes
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:18 PM
Dec 2014

Getting murdered just makes you dead, and ends all future opportunities, bad and good.

I worked at a convenience store for some years when I was younger and I don't have any illusions that thugs and shoplifters and bullies of various sorts exist. I was only robbed at gunpoint once, but the stores were stolen from regularly, sometimes cleverly, sometimes with intimidation involved. I never wished any of those people dead; most of them were younger and not on a good path, but I've known enough people who did stupid things in their youth, went through rough patches, behaved badly, and then grew up and changed. There's a reason we don't execute people, especially young people, for doing objectionable things. We wouldn't have much of a population left if we did. I was no saint myself - growing up isn't easy.

Scarborough is an idiot, of course. Whatever most people think of Brown, I can't believe they would have shot him in the head when he was unarmed, with his hands up. thug or not.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
15. 95% of people believe him? Pulling statistics out of your ass is a sign that it's time to move
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 04:54 PM
Dec 2014

across the street to faux.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
16. Please Quit
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 05:13 PM
Dec 2014

Resign, Quit,

Go over to your FIX Noise there Joe, and you will feel right wing at home, you hypocrite

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
19. I'm pissed off at Dead Intern Scarborough.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:08 PM
Dec 2014

And I'm pissed of at the rest of the Rams players for not joining in on the protest.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
20. In the promo from MSNBC they brag out the show's ratings....
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:14 PM
Dec 2014

Joe must actually believe that means he's a fucking STAR and can't be fired.

Two words: Keith Olbermann.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
23. Keith got fired because he was Man Enough to put his money where his mouth is.
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:44 PM
Dec 2014

Joey ain't NEVER gonna have that problem.

Martin Eden

(12,864 posts)
45. Controversy attracts viewers
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 02:30 PM
Dec 2014

For example, Rude Pundit tuned in to Morning Joke knowing full well the host would be ignorant and offensive.

Olbermann was let go because the corporate owners objected to his views (whereas they no doubt applaud Joe Scab).

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
47. The corporate types also hated Keith's regulars....
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 03:34 PM
Dec 2014

Some of which are still allowed on Hardball as long as they treat Matthews as if he's a genius.

Johonny

(20,836 posts)
24. Last time I checked Michael Brown was convicted of shoplifting as many cigarillos as Joe
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 06:49 PM
Dec 2014

and is very unlikely to be convicted of a crime now. If that cop is assumed innocent without a trial why isn't Michael Brown? Oh wait, he's black so never mind.

Johonny

(20,836 posts)
35. There's a difference between a chat site like DU and a news program on MSNBC
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 07:55 PM
Dec 2014

or at least there should be. That there isn't... shows what is all about what is wrong with Joe and 24 news networks.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
48. Intentionally conflating the sentence of a court with opinions on a message board...
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 03:38 PM
Dec 2014

Intentionally conflating the sentence of a court with opinions on a message board may often (and accurately) advertise a particular nasty bias. However, I'll offer you the benefit of a doubt and simply presume you are unaware of the relevant and precise differences between court sentences and opinions.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
25. Been arguing with the racist jackasses in the STL Today forums all day...
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 07:04 PM
Dec 2014

They came out of the woodwork like cockroaches on this.

The one thing that seems to really bother them and throw them off message is asking them if Wilson was such a good guy cop in this scenario, why did he not move the car instead of get out and chase on foot with gun drawn? Why did he not wait for back-up to arrive? Why did he not pursue the smaller Dorian Johnson? Why, if the shooting was fear motivated, did he choose the path of highest conflict? Why did he not do actual investigative police work and tail the boys until back-up arrived?

They really do not like it when alternative ways of dealing with the situation are raised that make them realize Wilson precipitated the conflict and then escalated it and did so at great risk to the community he was supposed to be defending.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
30. the whole argument is ridiculous. It doesn't matter if he was Mr. Rogers or Charles Manson
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 07:30 PM
Dec 2014

he was entitled to due process of the law.

Due process is not a cop exacerbating a jaywalking citation to the point of an extrajudicial killing. If Brown robbed a store, pushed a clerk, jaywalked, or even punched Darren Wilson, Brown was still entitled to due process under the law to defend himself against those crimes.

wheniwasincongress

(1,307 posts)
37. A most perfect description, especially of Joe
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 08:28 PM
Dec 2014
Chateau du Rude, determined not to turn on the MSNBC, feeling that he wasn't ready for the beady-eyed, dull masturbator stare of Joe Scarborough and the cruel dominatrix sneer of Mika Brzezezezezinski

Cha

(297,157 posts)
38. "Don't fuckin' tell me who my heroes are, you whiny cockhead." UPDATE: NFL will not discipline Rams
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 08:34 PM
Dec 2014

UPDATE: NFL will not discipline Rams players for pre-game Ferguson protest

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/01/a-tweet-or-two-180/

mahalo Rude & meegbear

pettypace

(744 posts)
53. come on Joe
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 05:20 PM
Dec 2014

Would a 'thug' be photographed pointing a gun at a camera?

How about flashing gang signs.

I mean he barely pushed that store clerk in the video. It was a freaking love tap!

Amazing how distorted people can make simple images of guns, drugs, violence to fit their world view.

Joe you done wrong Joe.

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