... nothing more than a rationalization for their deep-seated racism.

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Very true.

"no evidence that Michael Brown attacked Darren Wilson in his patrol car"

Authorities say Michael Brown’s blood found on gun, inside police car
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/authorities-say-michael-browns-blood-found-on-gun-inside-police-car/2014/10/18/577e1a9a-56f2-11e4-ba4b-f6333e2c0453_story.html



"There was no evidence that he... charged Wilson like a "bull".

"According to Witness 10, Brown then turned and ran “full charge” toward Wilson: Mike Brown continuously came forward in the charging motion and at some point, at one point he started to slow down and he came to a stop. And when he stopped, that’s when the officer ceased fire and when he ceased fired, Mike Brown started to charge once more at him. When he charged once more, the officer returned fire with, I would say, give an estimate of three to four shots. And that’s when Mike Brown finally collapsed…. (166:21-167:18)."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/01/witness-10-proves-darren-wilson-had-a-reasonable-belief-he-needed-to-shoot/

"A blood spatter at the scene suggests that Brown moved about 21 feet back toward Wilson after turning around. The pattern of shell casings on the street suggest Wilson was moving backward as he fired at Brown."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2014/11/29/b99ef7a8-75d3-11e4-a755-e32227229e7b_story.html

There's evidence. DU just doesn't want to believe it.

Who was charging whom??

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/26/1347499/-Why-exactly-did-the-police-lie-for-108-days-about-how-far-Mike-Brown-ran-from-Darren-Wilson

What type of slug went thru his body? What type of human can keep "charging" after being hit by one of those bullets? Obviously, the police get the benefit of the doubt in any shooting. And when did they clean the police car?

But the point of the post was that many believed he deserved killing because he was a "thug" that "knocked off" a convenience store for some cigarillos. That's sort of like "knocking off" a jewelry store for a pair of earrings. It is the terminology that is exaggerated. He was not held up as a "hero", in my opinion. He was simply the last in a long list of people killed by cops in the line of duty. There is no more tolerance for it and it is not the same as if a young white man is killed by the cops, as some conservatives argue. It is a quantification argument.

You know, the ones that said Brown was shot in the back, or execution style. Why should those witnesses be given any more credence than the ones that say Brown charged or was fighting with Wilson in his cruiser?

"What type of human can keep "charging" after being hit by one of those bullets?"

Someone that just punched a cop, tried to escape and is flowing with adrenaline.

As I posted earlier. There's evidence for pretty much all of Wilson's story. DU just doesn't want to accept it. Ignoring facts isn't just a conservative phenomenon.

...that a person who has been shot, perhaps several times, is going to turn and charge the gun that shot him, like a bull, rather than turning and offer to surrender or falling on his face?? Some stories are beyond credulity. There were several witness accounts:

Witness 16
I looked outside. I saw [Brown] turn around and put his hands into the air. ... I heard several more [gunshots]. I can't put a number on it. It was several of them ... it just sounded like chaos. (moved again)

Witness 37
[Wilson] kinda gave him a chase and that's where I see Mr. Brown slow up and throw his hands up. ... He slows right up. ... [Wilson] steps out, he gives him a little pursuit. It was like kinda lazy like he made no effort to actually catch up with him. He gave him a little pursuit. He slowed up. He stopped.

Witness 42
[Wilson] shot again, shot the individual in the back ... I see the officer chasing after the individual and he hit him "pow" one time ... I don't know what part of the back he shot but [Brown] turned around ... Mr. Brown turned and literally put up his arms, in a fashion that means surrender. ... the individual realized he was shot he turns around and immediately put his arms up.

Witness 45
[Brown] stopped and with his arms up, [his arms] never went down to portray that he had a weapon or anything. ... I was right there by the dumpster ... this is where he ran and he stopped. ... And that's where he turned around, and he started going back towards the police to defend himself, like to give up. ... he turned back around with his hands up, to go back towards the police.

Witness 64
I saw the cop following [Brown] ... the officer had the pistol in hand and was chasing him and fired a couple of shots at him while he was running ... I saw [Brown] turn around like he had given up or something, you know. But he was still moving, he was like coming back at the officer and the officer just kept shooting at him. (indicates by motion that Brown may have been hit in the hip or leg)

Witness 48
[Wilson] got out of his cruiser and chased him. ... [Brown] turned around. And the police officer stopped. Stopped running and the dude started running back towards the officer. ... He was just running like this. (raises his hands over his chest, with hands clenched). ... [Brown put his hands up] for a few seconds and then put his arms down and he kind of put them close to his chest and he started running.

Just look at those witnesses you posted. Their stories are all over the place.

Witness 37: ...he gives him a little pursuit.

I thought you said he ran 148ft.?

Witness 42: shot again, shot the individual in the back.

Brown wasn't shot in the back



Witness 64: (indicates by motion that Brown may have been hit in the hip or leg)

Brown wasn't shot in the hip of leg.

Witness 16: I saw turn around and put his hands into the air.

Okay, but what does Witness 48 say?

Witness 48: Stopped running and the dude started running back towards the officer. ... He was just running like this. (raises his hands over his chest, with hands clenched). ... for a few seconds and then put his arms down and he kind of put them close to his chest and he started running.

Were Brown's hands in the air or at his chest?

What about what Witness 10?

Witness 10: And I could say for sure he never put his hands up after he did his body gesture, he ran towards the officer full charge. The officer fired several shots at him and to give an estimate, I would say roughly around five to six shots was fired at Mike Brown. Mike Brown was still coming towards the office and at this point I’m thinking, wow, is this officer missing Mike Brown at this close of a range. Mike Brown continuously came forward in the charging motion and at some point, at one point he started to slow down and he came to a stop. And when he stopped, that’s when the officer ceased fire and when he ceased fired, Mike Brown started to charge once more at him.

Should we discount that version of events? It's actually closer to what the forensics say than half of the witnesses you posted.

I'll say it again. There is evidence for Wilson's version. DU just chooses not to believe it.

How far did the cop follow him?

I think a lot of thinking is generational. In my generation, and perhaps the generation that followed, cops were the good guys that went into schools and taught youngsters about the dangers of drugs and stuff. But that is not true today, in my opinion.

Not just with black youth, but with white youths, also, cops are seen as an intimidating force, to be shunned and hidden from. Cops see them, not as part of their neighborhood, but as part of the "war" they are in. They shoot first and ask questions later. They need military equipment to compete with the gangs. They are not there to serve and protect. They are there to rid the communities of the enemies that have infiltrated.

That isn't the standard you set up in your OP which was:

"There was no evidence that Michael Brown attacked Darren Wilson in his patrol car."

Yes, there are forensics, bruises, and witnesses. That is evidence no matter how you slice it.

"There was no evidence that he... charged Wilson like a "bull"."

Yes, there is a blood trail, shell casings, and witnesses. Those are evidence as well.


No matter how you view cops, it is never a good idea to physically attack them.

One gun against a "charging bull". Yep.

I can't tell if you are trying to say there was more than one gun or don't understand how similies work.

Either way, it's ridiculous.