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kentuck

(111,052 posts)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:53 PM Dec 2014

Who really runs the CIA ??

Do you honestly believe it is run by President or by anyone in the Executive Branch of government?

Do you truly believe there is an accountable chain of command?

I can recall how George H. W. Bush was appointed CIA Director by Gerald Ford, after the Watergate scandal and the mess created by the CIA. Bush, Sr wanted very much to remain in the position when Carter was elected but Carter chose Stansfield Turner.

Of course, Bush became VP under Reagan and William Casey was the CIA Director. Bush worked very closely with intelligence as the VP.

It is my opinion that Bush Sr was the natural choice to take over when Casey died. It has always been a secret organization with a certain brotherhood running the show, in my opinion. I don't think it was just a coincidence that they named the CIA HQs at Langley after George H W Bush. He has been an insider since the days of the Dulles brothers.

But Bush Sr is getting up in years and is not in the best of health. His natural successor, since Cheney is also on the downward slide, will be his son, George W Bush, Jr. That is what Dubya is protecting on TV today. He considers himself the heir to his father as the secret leader of the CIA.

This is just my opinion.

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Who really runs the CIA ?? (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2014 OP
I dug up this article for a thread here by BigTree, but also wanted to be sure you read it. Charlie KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #1
Thanks for the link! kentuck Dec 2014 #10
The late President John F. Kennedy could have written this sentence in Pierce's article Samantha Dec 2014 #12
Ah, yes, the old 'Motive, means and opportunity' school of thought about JFK's murder. You KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #15
Bugliosi does not make as strong of a case as Barr McClellan in Blood, Power and Money Samantha Dec 2014 #17
George Herbert Walker Bush told the FBI he was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Octafish Dec 2014 #16
Thank you, Octafish Samantha Dec 2014 #18
Why yes, I DO believe it's run by the President... brooklynite Dec 2014 #2
Other than, you know, the CIA lying to Congress truebluegreen Dec 2014 #5
I'm not big on the CTs either...but I do have a question or two. Liberal Veteran Dec 2014 #19
I don't believe any elected offical does. al_liberal Dec 2014 #3
I'm more likely to 2naSalit Dec 2014 #4
Military Industrial Complex!!!! Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #6
You know who runs it, who owns the world? Duh...Coke and Pepsi. Rex Dec 2014 #7
Poppy n/t UTUSN Dec 2014 #8
The Banksters and various other wealthy anglo-saxon interests? 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #9
Poppy runs it to this day. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #11
Who really runs the CIA ?? Illuminatis, aliens and Elvis. Albertoo Dec 2014 #13
If you think George W Bush is really running the CIA, hughee99 Dec 2014 #14
Watch his 1994 debate with Ann Richards Recursion Dec 2014 #21
Of course, we all remember who the CIA Director was before George H. W. Bush got the job?? kentuck Dec 2014 #20
 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
1. I dug up this article for a thread here by BigTree, but also wanted to be sure you read it. Charlie
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:03 PM
Dec 2014

Pierce of Esquire masterfully takes down the CIA (and by extension the Obama Administration) in one deftly-written column:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/obama-cia-john-brennan-031414

One of Pierce's best columns, imo (and it has some tough competition).

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
12. The late President John F. Kennedy could have written this sentence in Pierce's article
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:25 AM
Dec 2014

"Its long history of crimes and bungling have created a climate within the intelligence community that is anathema to intelligent self-government. The president is the only one who can change that. It's time that he start the job."

I believe that is one of the main reasons he was assassinated. Most of us have seen the fuzzy picture of a man who looks like George H.W. Bush in Dallas the day Kennedy died. Bush himself declares he cannot remember where he was that day....

It has taken a long time for the pieces to start to fit together but that day has arrived.

As a political observer who lives 15 miles outside of DC but worked inside for decades, I am very fond of saying the problem with DC is that everyone thinks they really run it. The CIA is no different.

I also believe Kennedy's death is one reason why no President will take that agency on -- including President Obama.

Sam

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
15. Ah, yes, the old 'Motive, means and opportunity' school of thought about JFK's murder. You
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:57 AM
Dec 2014

should read Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. Bugliosi builds a convincing case for LHO as the lone assassin and deftly deconstructs and demystifies most of the regnant CT around the murder, including the CIA-Pentagon nexus. He also provides a convincing 'motive, means and opportunity' case for LHO operating alone.

That said, President Obama needs to finish the work JFK, who promised after the Bay of Pigs to splinter the CIA into '1,000 pieces.' The CIA isn't protecting us from anyone (9/11 anyone?) and have gotten most of the major world developments of the past 35 years wrong, starting with the break-up of the USSR and proceeding apace.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
17. Bugliosi does not make as strong of a case as Barr McClellan in Blood, Power and Money
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:36 PM
Dec 2014

He was one of Lydon Johnson's attorneys and has a lot of evidence included in the book to justify his assertions.

Sam

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. George Herbert Walker Bush told the FBI he was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:19 PM
Dec 2014
We know this because that is what George Herbert Walker Bush told the FBI.

We also know, from the same FBI report, that Poppy heard someone threaten to kill President Kennedy.

So, why did Bush wait until AFTER JFK was assassinated to come foward with the warning?

Here's the document:



Here's a transcript of the text:



TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #



Here's background:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbushG.htm

Another FBI memo, from a week later, was unearthed just prior to the 1988 election. In it, "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" was debriefed by J Edgar Hoover himself about the Pro- and Anti-Castro Cuban communities in Miami. 1988 Presidential Candidate Vice President ex-DCI ex-China legation head George Bush said "It wasn't me." Surprisingly and contrary to longstanding policy, the agency even released the name of another "George Bush" who worked at CIA for six months or so. That guy was surprised to find reporters on his doorstep and told them he was a photo analyst on loan from another government department and he never was debriefed by J Edgar Hoover, let alone for the anything to with the assassination of President Kennedy.



Here's a transcript of the above:



Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #



I do remember that GHWB was head of the CIA when the Church Committee was looking into the CIA assassination programs. He made things all friendly-like and turned what had been a serious hunt for truth under previous DCI Colby into another dog-and-pony show.

And the Church Committee represents the last time our elected representatives worked to reign in the Secret Government agencies. That was 1975.

So. We wonder why America is in the shape it's in?

Austerity for the majority and a state of permanent war, where "money trumps peace."

Thank you, Samantha! Witness.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
18. Thank you, Octafish
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:55 PM
Dec 2014

I have seen those documents before and I believe in their authenticity. George H.W. Bush has been all over the place on this subject. I am sure you remember when he was publicly asked where he was that day, he said he could not remember. That answer, of course, was met with scorn and ridicule. I personally believe he knew in advance President Kennedy would be assassinated and the best way he could play his role was to say and do one thing in private apparently trying to appear helpful in the investigation but publicly playing the I don't remember card. The CIA regarded our President as a threat to our security because he refused to enter a war with Russia over the Bay of Pigs, he planned to withdraw our presence from Vietnam as opposed to escalating it, and worst of all, he was planning to strip the CIA itself from the power it had usurped from both the Executive and Legislative Branches of our legitimate government.

Sam

brooklynite

(94,331 posts)
2. Why yes, I DO believe it's run by the President...
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:09 PM
Dec 2014

...because to believe otherwise is to believe that the President is either a weak puppet being controlled by others, or a conspirator in keeping the real control of the CIA secret.

And since you haven't provide evidence for either of those CTs.....

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
5. Other than, you know, the CIA lying to Congress
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:44 PM
Dec 2014

and spying on the Senate Intelligence Committee...and not being reined in by President Obama? Exactly what kind of evidence would convince you?

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
19. I'm not big on the CTs either...but I do have a question or two.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:08 PM
Dec 2014

Do you trust CIA?

What do you think would happen if the executive branch "declared war" ,as it were, on the CIA?

al_liberal

(420 posts)
3. I don't believe any elected offical does.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:13 PM
Dec 2014

I think we're run by a shadow government that the 1% has approved for us and elections are just another form of bread and circus for us proles.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
4. I'm more likely to
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:37 PM
Dec 2014

accept that explanation than many of the others. There is a shadow government, Darth even made the mistake of mentioning it back in the later part of 2001... they are still there puppeteering.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Military Industrial Complex!!!!
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:00 PM
Dec 2014

Our Shadow Government made up of people from the Banks,Military Contractors,and Uber Wealthy folks here and in Germany. Follow the money. Btw.Obama is not going to oppose any of these particular groups.remember what happened to JFK,Mlk,and Bobby Kennedy,all were threats to the CIA and the rest is History.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. You know who runs it, who owns the world? Duh...Coke and Pepsi.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:14 PM
Dec 2014

Okay I kid a bit, but seriously who owns the world? Well, I think the Cold War established who owns it - mega corporations and the nations they control.

Coupled with the various other mega conglomerates that keep societies entertained, edumaked, informationaled and when the time is called for...scared, angry, outraged at those that are outraged, something else besides what the government wants people to know. In the Information Age, no modern country is immune they all have the sickness now. An infection from sharing the internet globally, that has no cure but more money.

Of course America owns the biggest machine. China might have passed us up GDP, but they pale in comparison to our mighty machine.

The various owners of the conglomerates that created the MIC, own the CIA and everything else in the world. Every superpower has it's own MIC and CIA. At least the countries that are not done with the Cold War. Other countries might have one or the other.

Oh sorry, the War on Drugs...er no...the War on Christmas...wait...the War on the Middle Class...shit pick your war. What flavor of item do you need to combat all that ails you my friend...WAIT...War on Terror! Just cost you a few dollars, make your enemies prostrate in front of you in no time!

And on the insanity will go until all the money in the world is worthless to the common person everywhere.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
9. The Banksters and various other wealthy anglo-saxon interests?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:47 PM
Dec 2014

Its an exclusive club where the elites, the banksters and the extremely wealthy get to do whatever they please including conducting medical experiments, assassinations, smear campaigns, transport child sex slaves, transport drugs, transport weapons, fund terrorists and other hardline groups without worrying about legal repercussions so to answer your question, they answer to the same people the Presidents do including George Bush.

The President is nothing more than a spokesperson for their agenda.

...I think.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
14. If you think George W Bush is really running the CIA,
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:42 AM
Dec 2014

than you must believe he's a lot smarter than people give him credit for. Personally, I think the people that REALLY run the CIA won't be seen within a 1000 miles of it, or have their names on any buildings.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
21. Watch his 1994 debate with Ann Richards
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:22 AM
Dec 2014

And compare that to his speech patterns as President.



Options:

1. The whole "dumb farmboy" thing was an act
2. He started drinking again
3. He suffered brain damage in his 1998 car accident

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
20. Of course, we all remember who the CIA Director was before George H. W. Bush got the job??
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:15 AM
Dec 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070693/William-Colby-Former-CIA-director-killed-Vietnam-guilt-claims-son-Carl.html

<snip>
The former director of the CIA in the 1970s killed himself because he was 'tortured' by U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War under his watch, his son has claimed.

William Colby 'had had enough' by the time he quit the organisation in 1975 and was wracked with guilt over his actions, said Carl Colby.

He later supposedly drowned himself on a solo canoe trip in a death that was ruled an accident by a coroner in 1996 - but sparked endless conspiracy theories.

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