And maybe nobody will notice.

Why always the gun and why always shoot to kill? The person in this shooting is lucky if he does survive.

Getting shot is more uncomfortable. Most officers have to be tased before they are allowed to carry a taser.
Maybe they should be shot before they are allowed to carry a gun.

an officer carries?

And here we go, yet another black man making " furtive movements."

I guess he couldn't be seen "reaching for his waistband" Or whatever excuse they come up with.

How about cops calm down on shooting. Oh and I saw in the article where they are already talking about
the man who was shot having criminal history.

Paid leave. Another vacation for a shooter cop.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-deputy-shooting-timberleaf-apartment-20141208-story.html

video at link

Flanked by pastors and community leaders, Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings asked for patience as authorities investigate the shooting Monday morning of an unarmed car-theft suspect.

A deputy said he was forced to shoot 28-year-old Cedric Bartee inside a stolen vehicle at an apartment complex in southwest Orange County just after midnight Monday.

But witnesses said they saw Bartee, who is black, with his hands up as the three shots were fired by the deputy, who is white.

Bartee was in critical but stable condition Monday evening, Demings said.


This is in my backyard. We need justice in this case and in ALL cases.

when their hands are up?

This has to be built into the training or something. I really think this is primarily a huge systemic problem. I don't doubt there are racist horrible cops too, but there need to be real changes in how police officers are trained to perceive threats, and specifically anti-racist training so they don't misjudge how threatening people of color are.

The man was unarmed and had his hands up so why shoot? Am I missing something here?

What sort of people use 'extensive' and 'furtive' and who would use them in combination? Word use has forensic value and can reveal education level, employment, racial/ethnic background, circumstance and even philosophy.

Extensive furtive movement isn't common speech. It is arguably uncommon enough that the individual word meanings don't make good sense in combination.

It would be interesting for someone with a background in forensic linguistics to explain the peculiar use and possible hidden signals within a phrase such as extensive furtive movement.

furtive implies something that betrays guilt. So the cop is saying he saw movements that betrayed guilt. Things like inability to maintain eye-contact are believed to betray guilt. Some people believe eyebrow movement and head shaking can do the same thing.

It's beyond my imagination to come up with overall body-language of a person with their hands in the air that suggests guilt.
And such general body language is implied by the use of the word extensive. Extensive implies a large (at least relatively large) area, in medicine extensive is used to describe how much of the body or an organ is damaged as in extensive burns.

What seems likely is that extensive doesn't mean extensive in this use, but rather something like "many". It's common for people, including police, to insert elevated language elements in reporting serious/grave events. "Many" is frequently elevated to 'numerous', and if you pay attention to press conferences you'll notice this shift. It replaces elements of the common 500 words used on the street with multi-syllable words that indicate higher educational/social status.

But, can ordinary, people who aren't forensic speech analysts make sense of the cop's statement?

Yes, I think so.

Within common understanding of words, the rationale for shooting boils down to "the guy acted guilty and it made the cop fearful".

"Fear", of course, is the key issue as it leads to justification for self-defense.

But, we can't know what emotions are in a person's mind; we look for other signals in what is said to have a sense of it's credibility. The elevated speech (extensive furtive) is mostly intended to show that credibility for the cop. It's an attempt to win favor by demonstrating belonging to a particular position in society.

which also makes me think this is built into the training. He could have heard "watch for furtive movements" at training. But what gets me is that furtive suggests guilt, but also an attempt to avoid attention, which kind of contradicts "extensive."

regularly give testimony in court.

It may come from police academy but such a phrase may also be discussed in squads, locker rooms, social media for cops or watering holes.

"How do you deal with ____" is a pretty common start to questions among co-workers who interact with the customers. I suspect cops are no different in talking things over with co-workers.

to avoid shooting someone. All the risk must be borne by the population they serve and protect.

And by cops, nonetheless. Must be a part of basic law enforcement training, slaughter unarmed black men for minor crimes but let whites get away with just a slap on the wrist.

Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said at a news conference in Orlando.

I can tell you that sitting in on a Criminal Law class at UCF years ago that a prosecutor/teacher joked about the death of an alleged perp who was behind the wheel of a car. The operation involved a combined team effort between the police dept. and another law enforcement agency. One team had ordered the driver to raise his hands, and the other ordered the man to keep his hands on the steering wheel. In the confusion the man was shot dead as he had no choice but to disobey one order to satisfy the other.

What always perturbed me was that the prosecutor offered this information as an amusing anecdote. When it backfired on him and one of us older students expressed our concerns, his reply was, "Well, he was a coke dealer."

Judge, jury and executioner.