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snot

(10,520 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:49 AM Dec 2014

Help! Has anyone actually tried to renew their Obamacare lately?

Apart from a few website glitches, the process last year was a relative breeze.

Last year, the Obamacare application process just plugged in our previous year's tax return, and that determined our subsidy; DONE.

But this year, they seem to want us to do our 2014 taxes in their online forms, but without the clarity provided by the Internal Revenue Code's rules and definitions. Not that I enjoy dealing with those, but at least they're clear.

This year, it seems to want us to estimate all kind of things that aren't defined for us and aren't yet complete for 2014; I understand we're supposed to go back and update it later if our estimates change. Why not just stick to using our previous year's tax returns, like they did the last time, and auto-adjust it later based on what we actually file in April? Or why not just time the renewal to occur shortly after April 15, and make the renewal subsidies be based on our actual tax returns as of that date?

Plus, we only have one month to figure all this out; and my household has had a heck of a lot going on lately.

All the Obamacare counselors I've talked with so far, online and in person, to help us fill out these forms – let alone actually choose what might be the best plan for us – don't seem very knowledgeable, or very confident of their answers.

I shouldn't have to become a tax attorney to get healthcare!

Is all this the result of Republican squawking about privacy? Among other questions, why aren't they just basing subsidies on last year's returns, like they did in 2013?

Has anyone else gone through this process; any advice?

We who are finding this difficult -- if we here on DU can't solve the riddles, a lot of others even less-equipped may not be able to. We need to be squawking about this to our reps!

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merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. I don't know much about Obamacare, but wish you well in getting the info you need.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:16 AM
Dec 2014

A lot of DUers do seem very knowledgeable about it.

Best I can do is rec the thread in the hopes that, if it becomes more visible, more of them will see it.

progree

(10,901 posts)
4. Uh oh. I'm about to renew on the Minnesota Exchange; a week ago they said they want proof of income
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:58 AM
Dec 2014

So I'm distressed to hear that I might have to do a lot of pointless and impossible estimating. And the proof of income (where they want a tax return) is irritating and silly -- at this point I only have a 2013 tax return and I'm really supposed to be estimating my 2015 income...

A considerable chunk of my income is what I make it -- if I sell and buy stock, the selling generates a capital gain which is income to them. If I do a Roth conversion, that's income to them. But I don't make these decisions at the end of the previous year, they are decisions I can't even begin to forecast!

To me, I don't get why MNSure (the Minnesota healthcare exchange) is making such a big hoo hah about this, since we ultimately have to settle up with the IRS -- e.g. when I file my 2014 tax return, I have to pay back any excess subsidy I may have gotten {1}. As well as of course any underpayment of regular taxes.

I pay estimated taxes quarterly to the IRS, and basically I've been paying in an amount as if I will have to pay back the subsidy anyway because, well, in case any stock sales and Roth conversions push me over the 400% of Poverty Line, I will have to give it all back.

So the advance subsidy is kind of worthless to me since I'm giving it back in my quarterly estimated tax payments in anticipation of a plausible worst case (I'm just beginning to decide on whether to do a Roth conversion and some stock sales, so even at this late date I don't know where I'm going to end up at year end 2014).

So why don't they leave it at that? (Settling up when filing the tax return). Any modest underpayment of estimated taxes for whatever reason results in interest and a modest penalty, so they are getting all their money -- PLUS interest and a penalty. SIGH.

{1} ONE IMPORTANT CORRECTION FOR MOST PEOPLE: actually, some people won't have to pay back all of any excess subsidy they get. There are different maximum paybacks based on income -- http://ctmirror.org/obamacare-user-guide-qas/
I think their chart got misaligned, what I think they mean it to say is this:
0-200% of FPL: max payback cap is $300;
200-300% of FPL: $750,
300-400% of FPL: $1250,
400%+ of FPL: no limit.
(FPL is Federal Poverty Limit)
So maybe this is why they are trying to make sure that people don't deliberately underestimate their income

progree

(10,901 posts)
5. "We need to be squawking about this to our reps!"
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:07 AM
Dec 2014

Definitely. But I don't think it will do much good, because the RepubliCONs want the process to be as difficult as possible, and of course they're in control of both Houses beginning January.

But then maybe it won't take legislative changes to get some of this stupidity fixed.

allinthegame

(132 posts)
6. False Positive
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:11 AM
Dec 2014

Re-upped through CoveredCA for exactly what I had this year. Took minutes.
Then I received a letter saying I was NOT eligible for a program I didn't even attempt to sign up to get.
There is a two+ hour wait to talk to someone on the phone....the chat line on the CoveredCA website does not take this as an acceptable question. I even drive to the nearest (not) CCA help office to ask someone about it. Their advance was to IGNORE it.
So,either I do that or risk losing my insurance in 90 days. More likely it's the 2+ hours on the phone. Blerg.

progree

(10,901 posts)
7. Hmm, last year they (MNSure) signed me up for Medicaid, despite my projecting 286% of poverty income
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:21 AM
Dec 2014

And I didn't ask to be on Medicaid at all, and anyway the limit on Medicaid in Minnesota (and all the other states that took the ACA Medicaid expansion) was/is 138% of poverty. (MNSure is Minnesota's ACA exchange which also, to some extent is a front door to Medicaid too).

After a couple of calls, they eventually cancelled it (but the only way I know that is that they said they would, and I haven't gotten any mailings from them in almost a year. Whereas anyone on Medicaid is being nagged every 6 months, or more often, for proof of income and such)

Fortunately this Medicaid snafu didn't gum me up for simultaneously signing up for a regular ACA policy. (That's a whole 'nuther story, but I expected things to be rocky the first year -- basically MNSure didn't forward my information and initial premium payment to HealthPartners, the insurer I chose. HealthPartners told me that MNSure sent them a bunch of information on people enrolling in their plans, but it was all garbled up).

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
8. The site is as bad as last year...........
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:48 AM
Dec 2014

I get to a page that keeps loading & loading....I even tried at the library and it keeps loading and loading. I was uninsured last year & will be again this year. I just can't afford it.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
13. I did today...........
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:51 AM
Dec 2014

went to the library where there were certified health care advisers. Guess what happened? Same as what happened to me, a page refused to load. I asked her if she had seen this before, her answer was "not since last year." She suggested I fill out a paper application. I told her that was no help, because I need to see the plans & their costs and what they have to offer before I choose a plan.

progree

(10,901 posts)
12. "Is all this the result of Republican squawking about privacy?"
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:04 AM
Dec 2014

This got me wondering, reading it again. Back late last year or early this year I heard discussion on NPR radio about how the exchanges have access to tax data -- not just the latest tax returns, but also the info that flows into the IRS during the year on a monthly or quarterly basis -- like dividends and wage data and Social Security benefits ... -- is shared with the exchanges

Have you heard if that's not true anymore?

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
14. I learned from the certified health care adviser........
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:54 AM
Dec 2014

I met with today, that what you have said is still true. It came up in conversation, because I'm not sure of my income for 2015, if it fluctuates she said, the IRS will if they have to lower any aid that I may get.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
15. Not sure if they have access, but capital gains, dividends, SS and interests are reported income. I
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:36 AM
Dec 2014

scanned all that to files and sent the proof to them as reported income and I didn't have any problems.

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