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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPoll: Americans agree with Ferguson grand jury; disagree with NYC one
The Selzer and Company poll for Bloomberg News finds that 60 percent of Americans disagree with the lack of an indictment against officer Daniel Pantaleo, whose chokehold apparently led to Garner's death in July. For comparison's sake, just 36 percent say they disagree with the lack of an indictment against officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson.
So basically, Americans as a whole favor no indictment in Ferguson. In Garner's case, they overwhelmingly think there should have been one. And in fact, just one-quarter of Americans agree with the grand jury's decision not to indict.
The differences in the two cases are almost completely because of whites.
In both cases, nine in 10 African Americans say they disagree with the decision. Although just 25 percent of whites disagree with the decision in Ferguson, a majority (52 percent) disagree with the decision in Garner's case.
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We've written before about why the Garner case hasn't split the country along racial and party lines like Ferguson has. Basically, the political and racial disagreement in Ferguson was all about the still-unclear sequence of events that preceded the death of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown; it actually had little to do with politics, per se. In the Garner case, there is a video, leading to less debate about the particulars of precisely what happened.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/12/08/why-eric-garner-is-the-turning-point-ferguson-never-was/
JI7
(89,240 posts)From the cops and it would be like ferguson.
Just imagine the stories the cops would have put out without video. How garner was so much bigger than the cop who was only protecting himself and other shit.
Even 52 percent is not much.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)They couldn't disbelieve their lyin eyes. Video makes a difference in public opinion, even if not in secretive grand jury proceedings.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Verbal is easier to dispute, you just lie.
This changes my mind on the idea of cameras on police man. Still don't like it, more surveillance footage of everyone, but we may have to do it. However, that cannot be the only thing done to fix this 'little' problem.
mariawr
(348 posts)Cha
(296,853 posts)whathehell
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logosoco
(3,208 posts)I have been reading the transcripts and for the life of me I can 't understand why the juror's did not see that it should go to trial. Wilson's story seems too "unreal".
I could go on, but I will just say that I hope there are people here in Mo. who will challenge the result.
Cha
(296,853 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)It makes it harder to fool people anyway. Or harder for people to fool themselves.
It's really sad that only 25 percent and 52 percent of white people agree with the decisions. Those don't sound like good numbers to me. 48 percent of white people saw the video and thought it was so justified it shoudn't even go to a grand jury? And 75 percent of white people so disbelieved the African American witnesses that, again, they didn't think there was even the amount of evidence necessary for a grand jury? Wow.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)The video of Mike Brown in the store may be playing a role too. It's suggestive of stereotypes. The police released that video with that specific intent.
While the video of Garner is showing a cop using excessive force choking the guy.
Cha
(296,853 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)it got blocked while I was still reading the alerted on post. (???)
Cha
(296,853 posts)of one.. but I got to tell both of them how I felt about them coming on here and spewing their racist bullshite.
Yeah, they got zapped fast! They were both really ugly like literally scum of the sewer.
Here's the other one.. wonder if they're wandering over from discussionist?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5931953
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The Ferguson event, given the video from the convenience store, the over-the-top efforts by lying provocateurs on both sides, and the clumsy sanctification of both Wilson and Brown by persons with overt agendas, was never going to be the catalyst of change.
The NYC event evokes a much clearer response to systemic injustice for which more people can stand.
"Hands up; Don't Shoot" means that all cops are conspiring racists, white people are unaware bigots and all black folks are criminals.
"I can't breathe" means there must be a national database of police killing civilians, a systemic shift away from the use of lethal force, a restructuring of the police force that is composed along community racial lines and there must be greater independent oversight of the investigations and prosecutions of police-involved deaths.
TBF
(32,012 posts)no, both sides are NOT doing it. But thanks for playing.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Futile though it might be.
The NYC case is a much more palatable rally point that Ferguson.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Hands up- um, no and one lady who initially said that to detectives recanted when talking with the FBI- (I think Juror#20)
He was never in the car fighting with Wilson- Um, wrong-
He was shot in the back! - um, wrong-
pick and choose your battles correctly
TBF
(32,012 posts)no matter how you twist the tale and make up facts that is the one you can't hide.
# Black Lives Matter, # Hands Up Don't Shoot, # I Can't Breathe