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Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:11 AM Dec 2014

Cheney just threw Dubya under the bus on the CIA torture

Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:57 AM - Edit history (1)

Bush has said that his WH was "not informed" about CIA methods and didn't approve them all. Cheney has emerged from his cave to snarl to the contrary that Bush's claim was "hooey" and "a crock".

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/world/dismissing-senate-report-cheney-defends-cia-interrogations.html?_r=0

Dismissing Senate Report, Cheney Defends C.I.A. Interrogations

By PETER BAKERDEC. 8, 2014


WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Dick Cheney offered a full-throated defense of the Central Intelligence Agency on Monday, arguing that its harsh interrogations of terrorism suspects a decade ago were “absolutely, totally justified” and dismissing a new Senate report criticizing them.

Mr. Cheney, who was a vocal champion of those techniques after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and has never accepted the widespread description of them as torture, said he had not read the report that the Intelligence Committee is expected to release on Tuesday. But from news reports about it, he said he had heard nothing to change his mind about the wisdom and effectiveness of the program.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney defended the C.I.A. on Monday, saying that its harsh interrogations a decade ago were “absolutely, totally justified.”White House and Republicans Clash Over C.I.A. Torture ReportDEC. 8, 2014. “What I keep hearing out there is they portray this as a rogue operation and the agency was way out of bounds and then they lied about it,” he said in a telephone interview. “I think that’s all a bunch of hooey. The program was authorized. The agency did not want to proceed without authorization, and it was also reviewed legally by the Justice Department before they undertook the program.”

Mr. Cheney said he never thought the C.I.A. was withholding information from him or the White House about the nature of the program, nor did he think the agency exaggerated the value of the intelligence gained from waterboarding and other techniques. The reported conclusion by the Senate Intelligence Committee that the C.I.A. misled the White House, he added, “is just a crock.” more...
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Cheney just threw Dubya under the bus on the CIA torture (Original Post) Skidmore Dec 2014 OP
There are only a few times I want to hear from Dick Cheney. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #1
I really want to hear only one thing about cheney heaven05 Dec 2014 #36
Yes, I don't like to think like that but sometime when I can't sleep LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #38
Can you smell it? MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #2
I would rather smell RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #41
I hope that's not what medals smell like. n/t Orsino Dec 2014 #56
He hasn't read it, but from news reports... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #3
Can we guess a sense of guilt is motivating him? HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #6
Guilty feelings? Cheney? Not a chance. TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #7
Exactly! Guilty, Yes! daleanime Dec 2014 #10
Not guilty conscience, rather awareness of his guilt. HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #12
Maybe, but that's an odd way to deal with it. TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #13
No way. Have to have a conscience and empathy to feel guilt n/t sarge43 Dec 2014 #17
Egg-zack-ly trusty elf Dec 2014 #19
lots of people feel sorry about getting caught, some people fear getting caught HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #59
You're right sarge43 Dec 2014 #60
I hate when it's a rainy Tuesday morning and I have to defend JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #4
I love when they turn on each other - TBF Dec 2014 #5
Lets hope this "under the bus" thing extends to Chris Krispy and the bridge thing. Hoppy Dec 2014 #8
Bwaaaaaaaah hahahahahahahha malaise Dec 2014 #9
There is something H2O Man Dec 2014 #14
His and W's are legacies of torture malaise Dec 2014 #44
This might go somewhere. . . B Calm Dec 2014 #11
David Addington mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2014 #15
Jane Mayer's "The Dark Side" - fantastic read underpants Dec 2014 #31
A true measure of someone's assholiness... Wounded Bear Dec 2014 #16
He's confessed publicly before but it doesn't matter because we are "moving forward". cui bono Dec 2014 #58
Cheney: A war criminal and proud of it. joshdawg Dec 2014 #18
Cheney is totally open about what they did and sees nothing wrong with it. Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #20
it's really a debate about whether we are a moral nation or not librechik Dec 2014 #34
The only time I want to hear from Cheney TNNurse Dec 2014 #21
The Door to the Courtroom in the Hague... HoosierCowboy Dec 2014 #22
Then closes slowly back when they remember they dont yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #27
Under the spreading chestnut tree Cirque du So-What Dec 2014 #23
Cheney pulls legs off the spiders in his cave, just for fun Martin Eden Dec 2014 #24
Cheney WANTS to be prosecuted, isn't that obvious? What does it matter to an old dying man, what Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #25
He so wants to do the court room scene yelling "you can't handle the truth" Paulie Dec 2014 #33
Cheney is a first class... 3catwoman3 Dec 2014 #26
I'm sure they found a healthy living donor with a matching blood type. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #30
"The program was authorized." underpants Dec 2014 #28
Could be he authorized it, so it's A-OK. nt babylonsister Dec 2014 #63
Hey, Dick. Nazis torture. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #29
Arrest that man! librechik Dec 2014 #32
Whenever this creek comes out of his hole, I get sick. Paper Roses Dec 2014 #35
If Cheney and Bush didn't know, Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 #37
In a just world, Dick Cheney would be in leg irons sitting in The Hague. yellowcanine Dec 2014 #39
and the kept creatures from the Bush justice dept alons side of him. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #48
The rules against waterboarding should be suspended for John Yoo. yellowcanine Dec 2014 #64
And Cheney Mad-in-Mo Dec 2014 #40
Taxi to the Dark Side - see the freely spoken lies by the Bush Admin Malraiders Dec 2014 #42
Looking for a link to: "Shrub under bus" & Shrub said didn't know & Shrub didn't approve. UTUSN Dec 2014 #43
I want to see everyone who authorized and participated in jail. sakabatou Dec 2014 #45
These people gollygee Dec 2014 #46
Why wouldn't this War Criminal Monster be arrogant? 99Forever Dec 2014 #47
Burn in Hell, Dick… eom MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #49
Darth is still given a platform... freshwest Dec 2014 #50
Fighting amongst themselves? Cleita Dec 2014 #51
Having once met Dick sarisataka Dec 2014 #52
Oh, this oughta be fun.. louis-t Dec 2014 #53
I can believe Bush didn't know the full nature or scope of what was being done, TwilightGardener Dec 2014 #54
I don't think he liked to waste his time with briefings. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #62
Sneer's getting worried. Octafish Dec 2014 #55
Cheney better be careful not to cross poppi notadmblnd Dec 2014 #57
You have a good point. Except it won't be suicide. I bet poppi has the microwave codes for Dick's rhett o rick Dec 2014 #61

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. There are only a few times I want to hear from Dick Cheney.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:15 AM
Dec 2014

And when he's claiming his crimes in public is one of them.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
36. I really want to hear only one thing about cheney
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:47 AM
Dec 2014

that he has passed from this existence to, I really do hope, eternal pain and suffering somewhere.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
38. Yes, I don't like to think like that but sometime when I can't sleep
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:09 PM
Dec 2014

this is what I imagine, the various ways of punishment for Cheney instead of counting sheep.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
41. I would rather smell
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:17 PM
Dec 2014

a frog march, starring Darth Cheney, along with the rest of the Bush Crime Syndicate.
I can dream, can't I?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. He hasn't read it, but from news reports...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:23 AM
Dec 2014

he knows it's bullshit.

STFU Cheney, go back in your hole.

And, btw, take Giuliani with you-- he's sounding annoying senile, too.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. Can we guess a sense of guilt is motivating him?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:27 AM
Dec 2014

That man is the most evil VP who ever controlled the presidency in the history of the nation.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
59. lots of people feel sorry about getting caught, some people fear getting caught
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:56 PM
Dec 2014

getting caught implies knowing you're guilty

This is all I am trying to communicate....Cheney is striking out at the world in anger because he's upset about getting caught.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
4. I hate when it's a rainy Tuesday morning and I have to defend
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:23 AM
Dec 2014

President Numnuts.

Bush the 2nd isn't smart enough to tell a lie on his own. He was always more a mouthpiece/figure head for Darth . . . who was completely unelectable as a President.

H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
14. There is something
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:53 AM
Dec 2014

almost pleasant about seeing old Dick Cheney arguing to justify what everyone knows was criminal and immoral.

Wounded Bear

(58,645 posts)
16. A true measure of someone's assholiness...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:03 AM
Dec 2014

is how proud they are of evil shit they've done. Hell, that sounds like a public confession to me.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
20. Cheney is totally open about what they did and sees nothing wrong with it.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:23 AM
Dec 2014

He knows that Obama will do nothing to him and takes full advantage of that fact. The only telling thing that shows concern for what they did is the fact that they will not go out of the country, unless it is to an extremely good friend of the U.S. like Great Britain or Canada.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
34. it's really a debate about whether we are a moral nation or not
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:13 AM
Dec 2014

Cheney says no, and that's ok during wartime (which is "all the time&quot

We say no, and we have to fix that somehow. And we don't want war all the time.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
21. The only time I want to hear from Cheney
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:23 AM
Dec 2014

Is when he keeps saying how awful he really is. He is not senile, he is just evil and not ashamed to admit it.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
27. Then closes slowly back when they remember they dont
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:58 AM
Dec 2014

Have jurisdiction of the United States. The only justice we will see is if our own Justice Department or Congress does something. Otherwise nothing can be done. One thing they could do is throw us out of the UN but that would destroy it completely. So our country will need to do something.

Martin Eden

(12,863 posts)
24. Cheney pulls legs off the spiders in his cave, just for fun
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:48 AM
Dec 2014

Regardless of whether "enhanced interrogation techniques' produced any valuable intelligence, Cheney loves torture for its intrinsic value.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
25. Cheney WANTS to be prosecuted, isn't that obvious? What does it matter to an old dying man, what
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:49 AM
Dec 2014

else would amuse an old goat more?

We need to give him what he wants, and no bail on arrest, that is necessary now.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
30. I'm sure they found a healthy living donor with a matching blood type.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:04 AM
Dec 2014

You know, one they grabbed off the street in some unsuspecting backwater country.

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
35. Whenever this creek comes out of his hole, I get sick.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:42 AM
Dec 2014

I would not trust anything he or W said ever.
This this supposed to be a CYA? Sorry Darth, won't work. Not for you, your buddy W, Rummy or the rest of your slimy bunch!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
48. and the kept creatures from the Bush justice dept alons side of him.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:07 PM
Dec 2014

He is hiding behind "it was also reviewed legally by the Justice Department"

Gonzalez, Addison ad John Yoo should be in the prisoner's dock also.

Maybe if the blow back gets bad enough, Cheney will give them up.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
64. The rules against waterboarding should be suspended for John Yoo.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:43 PM
Dec 2014

No need for any information from him. Just give him what he signed off on for others.

Malraiders

(444 posts)
42. Taxi to the Dark Side - see the freely spoken lies by the Bush Admin
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:34 PM
Dec 2014

If you can stomach how low they grovelled to cover their war crimes and killings of the people who they self righteously spoke of their dedication to upholding the ideas of freedom and liberty.

See the horror and the shame the Bush Team embraced.

UTUSN

(70,681 posts)
43. Looking for a link to: "Shrub under bus" & Shrub said didn't know & Shrub didn't approve.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:44 PM
Dec 2014

What I see in this link is Shrub denying the report's conclusions. Don't get me wrong, I want to believe the "under the bus" thing.

sakabatou

(42,146 posts)
45. I want to see everyone who authorized and participated in jail.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:55 PM
Dec 2014

And "just following orders" won't cut it.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
47. Why wouldn't this War Criminal Monster be arrogant?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:30 PM
Dec 2014

Tends to happen when you give inhuman assholes a free pass for Crimes Against Humanity.

sarisataka

(18,600 posts)
52. Having once met Dick
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:27 PM
Dec 2014

When he was SECDEF my impression was that he was an extremely arrogant person who considered himself above other people and their laws.

I have no doubt in his mind everything was justified and simply because his office included the word Vice- in the title in no way changed the fact that HE was the White House.

As for 'W', never met him but he seems to have as much spine as a jello salad. Cheney would run roughshod over him and 'W' would say 'thank you'

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
54. I can believe Bush didn't know the full nature or scope of what was being done,
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:35 PM
Dec 2014

if only because he was a ceremonial figurehead sort of guy, and not the driving force behind anything consequential in his administration.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
61. You have a good point. Except it won't be suicide. I bet poppi has the microwave codes for Dick's
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:19 PM
Dec 2014

cold heart. I bet he could zap poor little Dick Cheney via his IPone. Personally, I want little Dick Cheney to live a long time in a cell. George Bush should be dressed up with a tee shirt with a big face of Mohammed on the front and back and turned loose in Iraq and told to run for it.

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