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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI ask all DUers who serve on juries to hide bigoted slurs.
Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:53 PM - Edit history (1)
By that I mean all racial, sexual, sexual orientation, and other slurs applied to involuntary groups of people when asked to serve on a jury. All of them. Mild or vile, common or rare. Slurs that attack others or that are self-deprecating. There is never any useful service that is aided by their use, and we're supposed to be people who respect other people who are members of involuntary groups. Individuals can be vile, awful people, and should be strongly criticized, but applying bigoted names of any kind to them should not be part of the DU community standards.
This is not about any particular thread. I've posted in many of them to object to the use of the words of bigotry. This is a request of DUers to act responsibly when on DU juries.
Thank you for reading.
ETA: I added "involuntary" before groups in the first sentence. Someone wanted to argue about that. While I believe that most people understood my meaning, I'm clarifying.
Response to MineralMan (Original post)
ChisolmTrailDem This message was self-deleted by its author.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)they will disappear.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:30 PM - Edit history (1)
and that is the community standard.
The board isn't moderated anymore and it's obvious.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:53 PM - Edit history (1)
word association? Now, that was funny!
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f02d0b8cca/word-association-from-nino
(or not?)
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I wasn't on the jury, but I would have voted to hide it. I come to DU to get away from the bad behavior and rudeness so prevalent on YouTube, Twitter, etc. Sounds like the jurors weren't supporting bullies, but rejecting the uncivil "go fuck yourselves."
And this "we" doesn't tell Republicans to go fuck themselves "all the time." The hysterical rants, the rancor... it's getting us nowhere.
Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #18)
ChisolmTrailDem This message was self-deleted by its author.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)the rude "go fuck yourselves." That won't get through to them, surely you know that.
Put me in whatever column you want.
Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #25)
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WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)But knock yourself out with your *campaign.* Perhaps a good place to start would be against those who insist on pledges.
Bullies on a message board are not going to be deterred by a hysterical "go fuck yourselves." But if it makes you feel good, go for it. Just don't be surprised at the hides handed down by a jury.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)I didn't see the alerter's message but I can't see anything in it that rose to being hide worthy.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)be polite, always, do Not, repeat, do Not get emotional, or involved or really care about stuff.
Be robotic and clinical, no room for human reactions that are not, and follow the team wherever crazy place it takes you like shitting on the President if the thread is 'cool' enough. Change your stance on any topic depending on who is opening the topic - hypocrisy is so tasty.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...you an outright Liar and you tell them to "Bite your Ass", you can be assured that at least a few people will start having outrage babies & calling Mommy and Daddy to come to the rescue and slay that despicable piece of shit that had the nerve to tell an Asshole to (also) "Do a fucking search for yourself"
Strong language is now the justification for a hide? Not if i'm on a jury. An actual insult or an actual slur, sure. But, not the f-bomb.
G_j
(40,366 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)That's the job of MIRT and admin. Jurors decide community standards.
G_j
(40,366 posts)It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate on our discussion forums in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints. Members should refrain from posting messages on DU that are disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. These broad community standards of behavior are maintained through the combined efforts of members posting and serving on citizen juries, using their own best judgment to decide what behavior is appropriate and what is not.
Members who cannot hold themselves to a high standard risk having their posts hidden by a jury of their peers, and being blocked out of discussion threads they disrupt. Those who exhibit a pattern of willful disregard for the Community Standards risk being in violation of our Terms of Service, and could have their posting privileges revoked.
Response to tkmorris (Reply #46)
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marble falls
(56,358 posts)Skittles
(152,964 posts)SOMETIMES A HIDE IS WORTH IT
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:21 PM - Edit history (1)
a poster who does not see the racism, hate, murder and executions going on in this country, they are what they are called in the negative. If someone says, "well, he did 'rob' that store, so he put himself in a situation", unarmed to be shot down dead and lie in the streets for 5 hours as a 'warning' to other black people. All bets are off on what that person means to me. All through this whole series of murders from Trayvon Martin to the latest, MANY on here ALWAYS blamed the victim. I answered them if I saw the thread, firmly and without a mincing of words. They are people who's progressive and liberal credentials are in doubt. The minute a person who truly is defending progressive and liberal principles firmly and without mincing of words, they are shamed and denigrated. I have seen this behavior time after time. No. Bullies, who try to use the age old diversion, deflection (over a murder of a usually innocent black victim) of white racists who say. "don't be emotional" are the ones who get a pass, an uncivil retort does not. Something is amiss. I have learned from a lot of people on this board as to why racism has NOT been eradicated in amerikkka.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)On the old DU, the one that was much more lively and had a much higher audience and much larger participation, we could tell racist asshats to go fuck off without worrying about a random selection of people deliberately not participating in threads deciding that the feelings of racists, trolls, and other assorted idiots were being trampled on.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)What people really don't like about the new system is the transparency of people judging them. Those hidden posts are still there with names attached to them. Under the old system, it was like they never happened.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I remember being *allowed* to play with trolls for a while (depending on how egregious the offense), but entire sub-threads were eventually deleted.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)But this entire exchange started because a poster up-thread was ticked that a "go fuck yourselves" post was hidden. I'm not sure what you and he and many others are not understanding: "YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCES."
DUers have been advocating "progressive and liberal principles" since when? 2001? I've been here since 2004 and I never feel shamed or denigrated, and I doubt the vast majority do either.
And you know as well as I do that this very open message board is infested with Cavers, et al. looking to make trouble. Separate the wheat from the chaff.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I'm beginning to see the chaff, for sure. I know what happened upthread. Patience is sometimes tried, humans will be human. Feelings here are sometimes very delicate and must be handled with kid gloves. Okay. The advocating part concerning DU in principle is not questioned by me, just some of the alleged advocators.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)it's really the only kind of talk cowards understand
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)where does that get anyone? We've got tremendous problems in this country, and they won't be solved by hysterical rants, name-calling, pleas to get fucked, etc.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)won't argue with that. But enough with Meta and CTD's hide... on to TORTURE!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)by repeating it. What does that tell you?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)You are amusing.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)That's the big question. I've been here a long time.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)no response must have hit a nerve or the truth, probably both.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)then got locked out of the thread. Pay attention.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)he dodged nothing, you dodged and then it was locked. You are a lapsing, I understand.
what do you tell me............
heaven05
(18,124 posts)because I was told that very thing, "go fuck yourself" here in this forum by one of the 'elite', no alert, no hide, no one spoke up about that attack on me. The civility that you so want to hang on to at all cost got us no where either. Most people have to be more firm in their outrage of what is going on in RW amerika and the people here who, slyly, defend their behavior. Period. What has faux civility got us? A big defeat on Nov. 4, 2014, in part because there was/is no real outrage voiced by the many accommodating people passing themselves off as 'progressives' and 'liberals'. Period. Every time one of those fake clowns and outright racist raise their snake heads, I try my best to chop it off, metaphorically of course. Wouldn't want to offend.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)And I know curiosity killed the cat, but I'm curious.
And to your little crack about me wanting civility at all costs, stay calm and don't assume. I've been on this board since 2004 and "go fuck yourselves" is generally not accepted. I rarely alert, but that sort of thing may trigger my alert finger. Generally speaking, I'll vote to hide; others may vote to leave. "You take your chances."
So let me get this straight, we lost the 2014 midterms because DUers -- ON A MESSAGE BOARD -- did not stand up to "fake clowns and outright racists"? OMG, in the immortal words of our friend from Canada:
heaven05
(18,124 posts)my experience is enough for me, not to have to prove a thing to you. "Be calm", why is it that the intimation of absurd emotionalism is ALWAYS" the way out for some people. No I didn't say DUer's, just the 'civil, lazy democrats' in general as experienced at all levels of government for the last 6plus years. Good twist, nice big, big fail. Typical. you're of what ............ahh, what's the use. Stay in your world, you'll be much safer and comfy.......
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)So "civil, lazy democrats" at all levels of government are the problem? Obama's quite civil... do you have a problem with him? Are you referring to Dems who embrace the Sensible Centrist/No Labels bullshit, those who don't make waves unless it's against the farleftyleftists? Who specifically do you have in mind?
Exactly what world do you think I live in? Again, with the assumptions. It's really weak...
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:02 PM - Edit history (1)
the wasted time spent answering you, but I just wasted a little on you. Be happy I even addressed your skataa. No assumptions, just reality. Please your world is beginning to cause extreme boredom and vexation, irritation for the intellectual challenged.. Go harass someone else. I'm through with someone like you. You're too predictable and no real challenge, "my friend". bye bye
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)you got nuthin'.
And if the "elitist" who told you to go fuck yourself would please step forward, I'd appreciate it. And while you're at it, explain "skataa" to me.
Heh. Accusations of "elitist." It's just so right-wing...
heaven05
(18,124 posts)you got nuthin', yourself, never have in this exchange. And LOL myself, probably for the rest of the day. Have a good day I'm finished with you.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Why would you expect anyone else to do those things? Couldn't you have spoken up for yourself and/or alerted?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I don't need your condescension either. And rhetorically, why not? Go muddy someone else's pools, mine has been pissed in enough. I spoke back directly to the individual that said that, and NEVER heard from them again. How's that? I always speak up, directly unlike some on here who are incapable of finding a p.... to do that type of direct action.shrug:
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Pretty simple.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)you are. I was stating a point about the biased nature of alerting and who gets hidden vs who doesn't. If you can't wrap you mind around that, then yeah, you are pretty typical as well as understood for your simplicity.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)If only people could understand your brilliance.
Response to pintobean (Reply #126)
heaven05 This message was self-deleted by its author.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,150 posts)I presume you want people to stick up for them, when you insult them by calling them 'simple'. So, please stop it.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)their snarkiness is insulting if anything. Go ahead and alert if you feel that way. Your right.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,150 posts)Here's what they've said to you:
Why would you expect anyone else to do those things? Couldn't you have spoken up for yourself and/or alerted?
Pretty simple.
That's not 'snarky'. It's very straight-forward, honest and non-insulting. In return, you have called them 'simple'.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)so what. I was making a point. The alerting is spotty and a form of personal attack on here sometimes. Any one can see that. I don't need anyone speaking up or alerting for me, what don't you understand about that.I was making a point of what I felt was the unfairness of another alert on another DUer. When I was accused of complaining, that was deflection and distraction to take away from the original point that "fuck off" was used against me and the standard that was applied then, no alert about that usage, should be the standard in all cases of the usage of that term which IT IS NOT. Deflection/distraction is something used very well by the many HERE. You can believe ANYTHING you choose to believe, and I stand by what I've written. Have a good day..
muriel_volestrangler
(101,150 posts)If you never alert, you have nothing to complain about if no-one alerts on your behalf. The only excuse for never alerting is if you disagree with the whole alerting system to the extent that you don't want anyone to alert.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)believe are sincere. And no I don't alert. What about that statement don't you understand? I don't care who alerts because maybe their fefe's got hurt, I go directly to the source of my irritation, of which can be found in abundance on this forum. You and any other can alert till hell freezes over. I do not care what your feeling on alerting is. I DON'T ALERT, EVER. Understood? geez
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)allowed to stand here as a difference of opinion even when it's clear that the opinion is counter to the TOS.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)But Chisolm's complaint of a post being hidden was being addressed. "You take your chances" ... 7 random jurors ... s/he shouldn't be surprised.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)One jury will hide based on slang language, the next may not.
If we had actual standards, juries would be able to handle such situations more consistently.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Even if you think they are bullies. It's not complicated.
Response to tkmorris (Reply #31)
ChisolmTrailDem This message was self-deleted by its author.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)and telling them to "go fuck themselves"?
Who made you DU God?
Veilex
(1,555 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:22 PM - Edit history (1)
Bullying is really about dominating someone else. Telling someone to "go fuck themselves" is a dismissive act... so the two aren't simpatico.
If anything, labeling someone as a bully is more an attempt to identify someone's actions as something undesirable... so you could think of it in terms of attempting to influence another's actions through use of a label... not exactly an attempt at domination.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)I am totally with you in our mutual distaste for bullies. HOWEVER, there are things you cannot say about other DUers, even generally, without repercussion. "Go fuck yourself" would be right near the top of that list. Furthermore, I never said you "think they are here" I said you "think they are bullies". There is a difference. I may even agree with your characterization, but it remains an opinion no matter how many agree with it. And you cannot break the rules of this site regardless of how angry at them you may get.
Also, I didn't forget anyone. It simply isn't relevant. There are rules here and you don't get to break them just because YOU think the target of your ire warrants it. It doesn't work that way.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)about a post, none belligerent and not cussing. No hide. This selective shit is pretty disturbing. No one said a wordi n the negative about being told to "go fuck myself". Sometimes I just end up shaking my head about the selection of what and WHO is right or wrong here. So I'm not impressed with this call for civility when civility is selectively enforced on some and not others. MANY people here break the rules, but looking at who is allowed, I see they usually are high posters with many responses and/or paid up on their 'dues'.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)It is blatant and neon flashing, this imbalance of 'justice' (hahaaha, I made myself laugh).
Unavoidable mostly because we are like that, we have our pets and our favorites, etc., but the extent of the protection of a few here is right in your face inequality. Where one person can allude to something some alerter takes offense to and get the strap and another can roam about shitting all over with no rules at all.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)to be true consistently.... I liked Orwell when I read him in the 60's and still like him now. So relevant, timeless. Yep, human nature is a m..........r.
Veilex
(1,555 posts)I'd be interested in knowing where in the TOS it specifies that.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)Veilex
(1,555 posts)Cause I don't.
hlthe2b
(101,714 posts)Progressives should be known for tolerance and respect toward those of other races, ethnicities, low socio-economic-status, gender and gender orientation. This isn't nanny-statism nor political correctness gone in overdrive. It is basic respect.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Then all civil discourse is abandoned and any insult is allowed.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Many DUers, including myself, own firearms. Our reasons for doing so are varied, but I know of none who own firearms for nefarious reasons. When someone attacks all firearms owners as if they were the same, they are wrong.
There are nuts who own guns. They could be referred to as gun nuts.
There are car nuts, too, balanced people who love their cars, and there are crazy people who love their cars as well.
You own guns and you are probably not crazy, so there is no reason to be offended by the term 'gun nut', 'car nuts' are not offended by that term.
I own guns (rifles specifically) and I'm not offended by the general use of the term, gun nuts.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)do you "wait for the opportunity to kill someone", are you "scared of everything"? These are but a few of the nicer things that these "civil" democrats say of legal firearms owners.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)biggest mistake in human existence. Varying shades of excuse/defense here and many other places, about this subject of the 200million plus firearms in private hands in this country alone. All defenses/evasions of truth concerning guns all end up in the same place. Pro or con, no consensus. Just like the many other problems in this country which include but are not all of it's major issues, money in politics, racism, police violence and murders, sexism, LGBT rights ect.....they will not be solved to the satisfaction of a majority, EVER!!!! No, I won't stop trying, in my case, to fight vicious, mean, demeaning treatment at the hands of racist white people who are continually trying to take AWAY my human and civil/voting rights in this country. And those trying to do this are legion and won big Nov 3, 2014, With those of these racists that die many others are being trained to hate for the same various reasons every day. Our group has births, training everyday also, but no victory in sight in this generations old WAR................
hlthe2b
(101,714 posts)Really not the same.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)who park their vehicle over two spaces, litter, tailgate with their brights on, cut in lines, lie, cheat and then vote right wing because of their paranoia about all of the liars and cheaters out there.
Friends don't let friends vote Republican.
dilby
(2,273 posts)I see it used as a slur but for me to properly wrap my head around the term I have to assume the person is using it like they would Homosexual. A person would never use the word Heterosexual as a slur so people who use Ammosexual must use it towards gun owners in the same context they would use Homosexual towards gay people.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...it referred to guns making up for a lack of endowment
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)unfortunately, it has the alliterative ring of "homosexual," as noted above. The whole slurring project is a work in progress because it has to bang into shape a credible slur against the nearly 20,000,000 women who own guns. It has failed in that endeavor. In any case, Penis talk is still routinely used because it's "safe" territory on DU.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)acceptable words to smear gun-owners. The other "big" category are references to Penis. There is a lot of sexual content pushed by those who hate gun-owners whether gun-owners are male, female, GLBTQ or transgender.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)To insult them, call them names and be rude?
If disrespect is a bad thing then it is always bad, not just in some cases.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)...cannot be equated to "things" that are part of the very essence of a person.
There is a difference between racial/ethnic/gender/orientation slurs and boorish insults such as "gun humper" / "gun grabber."
One is HATE speech and the other is impolite .... When serving on a jury I will always hide hate speech (racial/ethnic/gender/orientation slurs) .... regarding impolite speech I will always look at the context.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)critical of gun-owners. Seen a couple of those.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)post or DUers. It is a general request, and it is needed because too many threads are posted that include such slurs. This has happened for a long time, so I'm appealing to the community to make it clear that such slurs are not wanted on DU. That is the best way to deal with it, I think.
2banon
(7,321 posts)When we use the word "Tolerance".. we used to apply it in a way that suggests embracing "diversity". But now it seems we should be "tolerant" of everything including bullying, chauvinism, racism, bigotry.
I don't do "tolerance" any longer.
hlthe2b
(101,714 posts)and I could not resent more your implication that my adherence to tolerance to those of different races, ethnicities,gender, gender orientation implies I am tolerant of racism, bigotry, misogyny. That is not merely wrong.. It reflects the kind of thing I hear often from those defending racism, ethnic bigotry, misogyny and homophobia.
Time for you to reflect and rethink, perhaps
2banon
(7,321 posts)I'm saying that although the term "tolerance" is modern parlance for embracing diversity (race/gender/sexual orientation/etc), I'm arguing that the term ("tolerance) falls short and that we should discontinue the use of that word for that purpose.
I'm suggesting, that the word "tolerance" actually implies the minimum (at best) of embracing diversity. In other words, we just "tolerate" diversity as opposed to actually embracing diversity.
Think of other aspects of life and people that we "tolerate". Say for instance, we tolerate ignorant morons in public spaces, because we live in a "free country" and people are free to be morons. And what are we gonna do otherwise? Say, hey dude, you're a rude moron for cutting in front of me in line!
Or we tolerate our neighbor for brandishing a bumper sticker that says: Bush/Cheney or "America. Love it or Leave it". we don't run over and rip the bumper sticker off his car, we tolerate his ignorance. because, we have to. As grown ups, we tolerate stupid people.
I hope this clarifies.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)For the same reason I no longer use the term "progressive" to describe myself. It's been used far too often by the wrong people. I hear right-wing Christians complaining about how people need to be more tolerant of their beliefs, as well as racists, homophobes, etc.
I don't think the poster meant to say that the word tolerance implies intolerance. Just that this particular word is often used by right-wingers for the opposite purpose.
Edit: or maybe not quite what he meant, apparently, but I still agree with what I said.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Today was certainly eye awakening to say the least.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Thank you.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Was it "cracker" related?
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)It was over the top use of "cracker". Someone alerted and the jury let stand 4-3. It has been kinda ugly ever sense.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Am ripping out an old dishwasher and thought I'd take a "fun" break on DU. Quite frankly, the demolition is more fun!
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Good luck, I just did mine...had to call pop-in-law to help bail me out.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)It's out, with, as far as I can tell, no flooding or electrical issues. And only two trips to the hardware store! Professionals will handle the installation, that's fer sure.
So, what's everybody fighting about now? I see Mr. or Ms. "Go Fuck Yourselves" has another hide. Oh, dear. I'll probably pull the plug again soon -- Mad Men on Netflix and a box of Christmas-y Oreos, or fighting on DU? Hmm, what to do, what to do...
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)It simply isn't. Anyone can be described with that word. It doesn't relate to any group at all.
So, I'd say you should feel free to call non-DUers "pendejos." However, it you call a DUer that in a reply, I will vote to hide it as a personal attack, because that's what it is. It's just not a bigoted personal attack.
Rex
(65,616 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Maybe you will get lucky and she doesn't speak Spanish.
Blue_Adept
(6,384 posts)So that it's the agreed upon list. Otherwise you get enough people saying "I didn't know!"
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I ran across the word "maroon" the other day in a jury alert, and I had no idea it was a slur. I thought it was from Bugs Bunny calling Elmer Fudd a moron, like when Yosemite Sam called someone an idjit rather than an idiot.
A master list would be good, maybe using polls to decide what goes on the list.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)librechik
(30,663 posts)with the jury backup
no opinion on whether we should take on the comment and respond to it--don't feed the trolls!
however, sometimes I politely spank them just because I'm first on the scene
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)It was quite offensive, but it remained for close to 12 hours.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)explained exactly what white cops are saying when referring to black people. That quote, only is offensive in the context of it being part of the police officers mentality. That poster was making an excellent point about offensive behavior, language of racist cops. False equivalency, in my book. The poster heard it from a cop.
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)It was offensive, nonetheless. It was asked to be changed by many black members, and largely ignored and defended.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I DO NOT AGREE. The context it was used in needs to be out in front of people EVERYDAY. Then maybe enough of the 'right people' will get offended to REALLY address racism in america. You are entitled and many agree with your stance.
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)They're probably not the right people.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I don't agree.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)I'd like DU to look less like Freeperville to passersby.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)if a too large part of this 'community' *cough, is here just to upset any apple cart they see. You won't be convincing anyone that isn't already tuned into the right thing to do.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Township75
(3,535 posts)Racism is racism and we don't need supposed liberals excusing racism as not too bad
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)calling Republicans ReThugs, RePugs, RePukes, etc.?
Republicans are a group. Surely you don't intend to protect them from derogatory and bigoted slurs?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Race, gender and sexuality are inherent and intrinsic characteristics. So there is a difference. One is not born a Republican, just as one is not born a Democrat or a Vegan.
So while I personally just call Republicans Republicans because there is no worse word I can think of to hurl at a person, calling me a DemocRAT is not the same as calling me a f****t. One is cheap, annoying and childish, the other is a bit of vicious bigotry.
Does that help?
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)The OP was mentioning "groups" in general. He did not separate between voluntary and involuntary associations, so I had to ask. Republicans are a "group." Are we supposed to not call them names and slurs?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Wonder why that is?
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)all waterfalls are wet? But groups may or may not be voluntary?
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)I don't use those terms, though, at least not on a regular basis. I spell the word out as it is spelled.
I think most people understood what I meant, frankly.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)to include the word "involuntary" to modify "groups." I believe that most people understood that to be the meaning, but I see that not everyone did, so I clarified.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Yes I hide them and will continue to hide them.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)but the very idea of "white racism" is just absurd on its face.
Turning this thing into a "bigotry" issue is equally absurd.
stone space
(6,498 posts)janlyn
(735 posts)I don't mind as I have no vested interest in one particular group on DU. As a high funtioning autistic, I despise bullies! And will vote to block bigotry and bullying. But I also see alerts for no other reason than a group of individuals disliking someones opinion. I think of these groups as no different than the cliques in schools, and truly feel said individuals have a case of arrested development.
Iggo
(47,487 posts)No problem.
Oops, almost forgot: META!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)If someone asks you to change your post because they find a word offensive due to race, religion, sex and all the other things we hold dear then you should respect them as a person and change your post. I once used the R word in a post and my post was deleted, I felt terrible because if the person would have asked me to edit my post I would have. Since that time I no longer use the R word out of respect for my fellow DU'ers. Unfortunately common courtesy seems to be dead on the internet and people feel it's perfectly ok to use words here they would never utter out loud in public.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Perhaps I should have called it a "race-based derogatory slur" and then I wouldn't have gotten spanked?
In either case, I think that derogatory slurs do nothing to further civil discourse. But maybe we've given up on civil discourse anyway...
dilby
(2,273 posts)Did you get a post deleted or just someone wanting to go on about how they are not a racist for using the term. Kind of like my racist uncle who says he is not a racist for using the N word because blacks use it all the time.
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Just told basically that I'm overreacting:
Because being dismissive of someone else's point of view is such a great way to change their mind, yeah?
dilby
(2,273 posts)If I was to address a white President to his face as a Cracker would people consider that a racist term or would they consider it the same as me saying his hair was blond. I have a feeling people would see it as a racist term.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)I think they are DISGUSTING
tclambert
(11,080 posts)In general, I oppose efforts to censor words like: shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits. And while I have never quoted lyrics from a rap song, I might want to someday.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I've seen more jury "no comments" than anything you describe. Maybe you've got more jury experience.
albino65
(484 posts)gordianot
(15,226 posts)rogerashton
(3,918 posts)I've read several of these threads today. A lot of hot air has been blown about how some terms of derogation are OK while others should be avoided because it is ok to derogate some people but not others. The difference is not in the people. The difference is in the words.
Look, sure, "cracker" is a term of derogation for some southeastern white people. It expresses class prejudice. Growing up at the buckle of the Bible Belt, we nonpoor white folks used it in reference to Georgia and north Florida poor-whites. It wasn't quite as derogatory as "white-trash," but getting there.
Let me get a little closer to home. Many people would call the folks I grew up among "rednecks." It is descriptive. When my dad was driving a tractor for a living, he had a chronic sunburn about the shade of mahogany. I once got a reprimand for referring to myself as a "redneck" (for that reason). The person who reprimanded me said that in describing myself as a redneck, I was expressing racial prejudice against nonwhites, since, as everybody knows, the word "redneck" means "racist." Of course, she didn't think of herself as making a negative judgment based on skin color. I have heard people use the word "redneck" with the understanding that "rednecks" are not only racist but also ignorant, depraved, violent, and offensively poor. Nevertheless, if somebody calls me a "redneck," I frankly couldn't care less. It just doesn't matter very much to me.
But there are words that do matter. I don't think I need to tell anybody on this board what they are.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)doesn't feel angry about the use of a slur. I'm concerned with its effect on everyone. You aren't bothered by the term "redneck." Others are. So, I don't use it, because I have no wish to offend anyone through bigoted language.
I feel the same way about all such words. It doesn't matter if someone in the group isn't angered by a slur. Why would I care about that? I care about those who are affected, not the ones who aren't.
I'm an old white guy. I, quite frankly, don't give a damn about what people call me. However, I do care what people call other old white guys, if what they call them is a slur of some kind based on nothing more than they're talking about an old white guy. Geezer, gimper, whatever you like. Those are negative terms based on something a person has no control over. That is the very definition of a bigoted slur, and I don't like bigoted slurs.
I hope that clarifies.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... and will continue to do so.
I do not engage in bigoted and/or hate speech ... and do NOT intent to incorporate it into my postings or life.
Impolite, coarse or boorish speech is judged on a case by case basis
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I'll be damned if I'll make a blanket commitment to vote one way or another because somebody else thinks I should.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)of course. That's why I asked.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Okay?
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)It's DU. We all have individual voices here.