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MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:15 AM Dec 2014

I ask all DUers who serve on juries to hide bigoted slurs.

Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:53 PM - Edit history (1)

By that I mean all racial, sexual, sexual orientation, and other slurs applied to involuntary groups of people when asked to serve on a jury. All of them. Mild or vile, common or rare. Slurs that attack others or that are self-deprecating. There is never any useful service that is aided by their use, and we're supposed to be people who respect other people who are members of involuntary groups. Individuals can be vile, awful people, and should be strongly criticized, but applying bigoted names of any kind to them should not be part of the DU community standards.

This is not about any particular thread. I've posted in many of them to object to the use of the words of bigotry. This is a request of DUers to act responsibly when on DU juries.

Thank you for reading.

ETA: I added "involuntary" before groups in the first sentence. Someone wanted to argue about that. While I believe that most people understood my meaning, I'm clarifying.

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I ask all DUers who serve on juries to hide bigoted slurs. (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2014 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #1
Thank you. If the community does not tolerate such usages, MineralMan Dec 2014 #3
Clearly, many in the community do tolerate such usages Gormy Cuss Dec 2014 #67
Remember Richard Pryor and Chevy Chase on SNL when they did... Stellar Dec 2014 #82
You're surprised a "go fuck yourselves" post was hidden? WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #21
LOL Stop the pity-party. Bullies can be called out without your resorting to... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #25
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #27
Yeah, I don't *do* martyr. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #37
Ouch! Not. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #39
FWIW I don't think your post above should have been hidden tkmorris Dec 2014 #46
agreed G_j Dec 2014 #49
lots of that shit going on. be careful what you say. Ari? LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #59
Ain't that the truth.> Even when someone uses that "Passive-Aggressive" bullshit and calls... BlueJazz Dec 2014 #106
Me Too ProfessorGAC Dec 2014 #62
I think some are not even aware of the TOS, or don't bother to read them G_j Dec 2014 #109
Jurors are not asked to enforce the TOS. pintobean Dec 2014 #115
yep, my error, G_j Dec 2014 #120
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #55
Don't let up on them, but don't get yourself bumped. I support you even when we disagree! marble falls Dec 2014 #64
LOVE YOUR SIG LINE CHISOLMTRAILDEM Skittles Dec 2014 #91
when I am responding about heaven05 Dec 2014 #66
On the new DU we have to coddle the sensitivities of racists too. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #125
No, the mods would disappear those posts pintobean Dec 2014 #132
That's my recollection. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #152
Nah, what people don't like about the current system is too few of those posts are hidden. n/t Gormy Cuss Dec 2014 #162
I hear that loud and clear heaven05 Dec 2014 #133
You should answer them, with words unminced. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #139
yeah, yeah yeah heaven05 Dec 2014 #140
nah Skittles Dec 2014 #93
So it becomes one big "go fuck yourselves" circle-jerk... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #119
IT'S FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Skittles Dec 2014 #164
LOL 'Tis true, sometimes... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #166
Time out. pintobean Dec 2014 #168
None of them will subject themselves to a jury pintobean Dec 2014 #26
Oh, looky here! Hi there. Did you alert, again perhaps? nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #29
lol. pintobean Dec 2014 #32
So are you. I remember. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #35
Remember from when? pintobean Dec 2014 #38
How do you know this: " None of them will subject themselves to a jury" Do you know them? nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #40
wow heaven05 Dec 2014 #146
No, he dodged my question pintobean Dec 2014 #147
no he didn't heaven05 Dec 2014 #148
???? heaven05 Dec 2014 #100
I'm surprised heaven05 Dec 2014 #104
Share the elitist's "go fuck yourself," please. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #113
Go find it yourself heaven05 Dec 2014 #116
The onus is on you, my friend, you made the accusation. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #124
You don't merit heaven05 Dec 2014 #127
LOL Insults, victim mentality, accusations of harrassment... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #142
Right heaven05 Dec 2014 #144
"no alert, no hide, no one spoke up about that attack on me" pintobean Dec 2014 #118
I don't alert, ever heaven05 Dec 2014 #121
Then don't complain about posts not being hidden. pintobean Dec 2014 #122
yeah heaven05 Dec 2014 #123
It's so unfair. pintobean Dec 2014 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author heaven05 Dec 2014 #129
Everybody got it the first time. pintobean Dec 2014 #135
You are being insulting to another DUer muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #134
No I'm not heaven05 Dec 2014 #138
They're not being 'snarky' muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #141
So you say heaven05 Dec 2014 #143
So you never speak up for anyone else? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #130
I always speak up for people I heaven05 Dec 2014 #137
"Go fuck yourself" is less offensive than the racist, sexist, classist, *-ist twaddle Gormy Cuss Dec 2014 #149
I agree. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #150
And that's a problem with the "you take your chances" approach. Gormy Cuss Dec 2014 #151
You can't tell other DUers to "go fuck themselves", period tkmorris Dec 2014 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #34
Aren't you bullying other DUers by labeling them 'bullies' pintobean Dec 2014 #41
Eh...not really Veilex Dec 2014 #98
None of that made sense tkmorris Dec 2014 #43
I had someone tell me that exact quote heaven05 Dec 2014 #56
Some animals are more equal than others - Animal Farm LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #80
I've noticed that heaven05 Dec 2014 #83
"You can't tell other DUers to "go fuck themselves", period" - Really? Veilex Dec 2014 #95
The TOS is worthless, juries override that. It's useless, it should be taken down. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #105
You'll have to forgive me if I don't agree with you. Veilex Dec 2014 #157
I agree... hlthe2b Dec 2014 #2
Unless you are talking about gun owners. oneshooter Dec 2014 #5
If slurs attack all firearms owners, they should not be used. MineralMan Dec 2014 #8
Gun owners vkkv Dec 2014 #79
Are you a "ammosexual", do you have "the blood of children on your hands", oneshooter Dec 2014 #155
Gun's, gunpowder heaven05 Dec 2014 #96
One does not choose to be a specific gender, ethnicity, race, gender orientation, poor hlthe2b Dec 2014 #10
+1 LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #28
+2 BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #50
...and then there is "ammosexual." Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #52
You mean this guy? stone space Dec 2014 #54
Same type of inconsiderate people vkkv Dec 2014 #85
I don't understand the use of the word ammosexual. dilby Dec 2014 #73
It implies sexual arousal from guns and gun violence, or the fantasy thereof. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #111
I always thought AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #153
I think it is an attempt to make a sexual slur gender neutral... Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #167
The term borrows a slur. One of several Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #154
Endless penis talk has little to do with gender? Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #57
So if it is something you chose to do it's OK zeemike Dec 2014 #69
Exactly ... ownership of an inanimate object etherealtruth Dec 2014 #99
A juror remarked he/she would "never" hide a remark Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #60
As it should be. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #70
So you believe that it is correct and proper to insult gun owners? oneshooter Dec 2014 #156
Thank you. Again, my OP is not about any specific MineralMan Dec 2014 #6
I self identify as a "Progressive". But I don't share the "Tolerant" meme.. 2banon Dec 2014 #58
No--you are projecting something in the word "tolerance" that is so very wrong hlthe2b Dec 2014 #86
+1 Veilex Dec 2014 #101
I'm afraid you don't understand my meaning. 2banon Dec 2014 #163
I think the poster doesn't use the word "tolerance" F4lconF16 Dec 2014 #165
I 100 percent will. No exceptions for me. yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #4
I appreciate your willingness to do that. MineralMan Dec 2014 #7
What the hell happened? WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #20
Yes a thread was made this morning yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #22
Ah. Will dig it up later. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #44
lol, you'll have a greater sense of satisfaction at the end of the day. Inkfreak Dec 2014 #75
LOL I do feel pretty good! WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #107
Yup. Agschmid Dec 2014 #9
Can I still call Barbara Bush a Pendejo? snooper2 Dec 2014 #11
Pendejo is not a slur on a recognizable group. MineralMan Dec 2014 #12
Why does she post here? Rex Dec 2014 #14
I think she trolls from time to time snooper2 Dec 2014 #16
Better watch out, I hear she has a real mouth on her. Rex Dec 2014 #19
There needs to be a master list Blue_Adept Dec 2014 #13
Bingo Android3.14 Dec 2014 #65
K&R. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #15
Of course! And alert on those found librechik Dec 2014 #17
What if it's quoted like this thread: BklnDem75 Dec 2014 #23
that quote in that title heaven05 Dec 2014 #51
It didn't need to be repeated... BklnDem75 Dec 2014 #74
if you say so. heaven05 Dec 2014 #77
If someone needs a offensive slur spelled out for them to get offended... BklnDem75 Dec 2014 #90
if you say so heaven05 Dec 2014 #97
I alerted on that thread. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #128
I do and will. Orsino Dec 2014 #24
Nice try but it won't make one bit of difference LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #30
K & R In_The_Wind Dec 2014 #33
And please don't try to justify one racial slur because it is not as bad as another Township75 Dec 2014 #36
Does this include dumbcat Dec 2014 #42
I don't use those terms myself, but being a Republican is a choice reflecting political views Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #47
True, but dumbcat Dec 2014 #88
I read a post about a waterfall that did not mention that it was wet. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #117
Maybe because dumbcat Dec 2014 #145
That's a voluntary group, not one that a default. MineralMan Dec 2014 #110
In response to your post, I have edited the OP MineralMan Dec 2014 #112
It is a shame that some people here need to use terms that are derogatory. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #45
I always hide bigoted slurs. Always. Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #48
I agree wholeheartedly. Too many times it gets a pass here. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #53
I am asked to be on a jury quite often, janlyn Dec 2014 #61
Sure, if the person posting it is using it as a bigoted slur. Iggo Dec 2014 #63
I agree. We should hide posts that are clearly bigoted slurs. nt Enthusiast Dec 2014 #68
+1000 Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #71
I hope this is not fuel for a new witch hunt. zeemike Dec 2014 #72
People should just use common courtesy. dilby Dec 2014 #76
I do. And it's wierd seeing some fall over themselves defending some language. (nt) Inkfreak Dec 2014 #78
I just got spanked for agreeing that 'cracker' was a racist term. DeadLetterOffice Dec 2014 #81
What do you mean spanked? dilby Dec 2014 #84
No, no deleted or alerted on or anything. DeadLetterOffice Dec 2014 #103
I would apply the Presidential Test to the term. dilby Dec 2014 #108
if they weren't cowards they would hide ALL their passive-aggressive bullshit Skittles Dec 2014 #87
How about "redneck?" Is that still considered a slur? Or did Jeff Foxworthy neutralize it? tclambert Dec 2014 #89
I guess I don't see them like you do, MM... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #92
Even the most innocuous post with the best of intentions can create a firestorm here. n/t albino65 Dec 2014 #94
I did and include ethnic slurs. gordianot Dec 2014 #102
There are differences. rogerashton Dec 2014 #114
Frankly, it doesn't matter to me whether any individual MineralMan Dec 2014 #131
I have always vorted to hide bigoted and/or hate speech etherealtruth Dec 2014 #136
I make every jury decision I make, based on the alert and what it's alerted on and why. 99Forever Dec 2014 #158
Yes, well, everyone will do as they please, MineralMan Dec 2014 #159
And I answered. 99Forever Dec 2014 #160
It doesn't matter if it's OK with me. MineralMan Dec 2014 #161

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
67. Clearly, many in the community do tolerate such usages
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:44 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:30 PM - Edit history (1)

and that is the community standard.

The board isn't moderated anymore and it's obvious.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
18. You're surprised a "go fuck yourselves" post was hidden?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:36 AM
Dec 2014

I wasn't on the jury, but I would have voted to hide it. I come to DU to get away from the bad behavior and rudeness so prevalent on YouTube, Twitter, etc. Sounds like the jurors weren't supporting bullies, but rejecting the uncivil "go fuck yourselves."

And this "we" doesn't tell Republicans to go fuck themselves "all the time." The hysterical rants, the rancor... it's getting us nowhere.

Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #18)

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
25. LOL Stop the pity-party. Bullies can be called out without your resorting to...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:53 AM
Dec 2014

the rude "go fuck yourselves." That won't get through to them, surely you know that.

Put me in whatever column you want.

Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #25)

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
37. Yeah, I don't *do* martyr.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:09 PM
Dec 2014

But knock yourself out with your *campaign.* Perhaps a good place to start would be against those who insist on pledges.



Bullies on a message board are not going to be deterred by a hysterical "go fuck yourselves." But if it makes you feel good, go for it. Just don't be surprised at the hides handed down by a jury.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
46. FWIW I don't think your post above should have been hidden
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:27 PM
Dec 2014

I didn't see the alerter's message but I can't see anything in it that rose to being hide worthy.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
59. lots of that shit going on. be careful what you say. Ari?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:29 PM
Dec 2014

be polite, always, do Not, repeat, do Not get emotional, or involved or really care about stuff.

Be robotic and clinical, no room for human reactions that are not, and follow the team wherever crazy place it takes you like shitting on the President if the thread is 'cool' enough. Change your stance on any topic depending on who is opening the topic - hypocrisy is so tasty.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
106. Ain't that the truth.> Even when someone uses that "Passive-Aggressive" bullshit and calls...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:11 PM
Dec 2014

...you an outright Liar and you tell them to "Bite your Ass", you can be assured that at least a few people will start having outrage babies & calling Mommy and Daddy to come to the rescue and slay that despicable piece of shit that had the nerve to tell an Asshole to (also) "Do a fucking search for yourself"

ProfessorGAC

(64,414 posts)
62. Me Too
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:31 PM
Dec 2014

Strong language is now the justification for a hide? Not if i'm on a jury. An actual insult or an actual slur, sure. But, not the f-bomb.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
115. Jurors are not asked to enforce the TOS.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:58 PM
Dec 2014

That's the job of MIRT and admin. Jurors decide community standards.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
120. yep, my error,
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:12 PM
Dec 2014
Our Community Standards

It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate on our discussion forums in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints. Members should refrain from posting messages on DU that are disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. These broad community standards of behavior are maintained through the combined efforts of members posting and serving on citizen juries, using their own best judgment to decide what behavior is appropriate and what is not.

Members who cannot hold themselves to a high standard risk having their posts hidden by a jury of their peers, and being blocked out of discussion threads they disrupt. Those who exhibit a pattern of willful disregard for the Community Standards risk being in violation of our Terms of Service, and could have their posting privileges revoked.

Response to tkmorris (Reply #46)

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
66. when I am responding about
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:42 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:21 PM - Edit history (1)

a poster who does not see the racism, hate, murder and executions going on in this country, they are what they are called in the negative. If someone says, "well, he did 'rob' that store, so he put himself in a situation", unarmed to be shot down dead and lie in the streets for 5 hours as a 'warning' to other black people. All bets are off on what that person means to me. All through this whole series of murders from Trayvon Martin to the latest, MANY on here ALWAYS blamed the victim. I answered them if I saw the thread, firmly and without a mincing of words. They are people who's progressive and liberal credentials are in doubt. The minute a person who truly is defending progressive and liberal principles firmly and without mincing of words, they are shamed and denigrated. I have seen this behavior time after time. No. Bullies, who try to use the age old diversion, deflection (over a murder of a usually innocent black victim) of white racists who say. "don't be emotional" are the ones who get a pass, an uncivil retort does not. Something is amiss. I have learned from a lot of people on this board as to why racism has NOT been eradicated in amerikkka.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
125. On the new DU we have to coddle the sensitivities of racists too.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:23 PM
Dec 2014

On the old DU, the one that was much more lively and had a much higher audience and much larger participation, we could tell racist asshats to go fuck off without worrying about a random selection of people deliberately not participating in threads deciding that the feelings of racists, trolls, and other assorted idiots were being trampled on.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
132. No, the mods would disappear those posts
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:29 PM
Dec 2014

What people really don't like about the new system is the transparency of people judging them. Those hidden posts are still there with names attached to them. Under the old system, it was like they never happened.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
152. That's my recollection.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:45 PM
Dec 2014

I remember being *allowed* to play with trolls for a while (depending on how egregious the offense), but entire sub-threads were eventually deleted.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
139. You should answer them, with words unminced.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:39 PM
Dec 2014

But this entire exchange started because a poster up-thread was ticked that a "go fuck yourselves" post was hidden. I'm not sure what you and he and many others are not understanding: "YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCES."

DUers have been advocating "progressive and liberal principles" since when? 2001? I've been here since 2004 and I never feel shamed or denigrated, and I doubt the vast majority do either.

And you know as well as I do that this very open message board is infested with Cavers, et al. looking to make trouble. Separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
140. yeah, yeah yeah
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:44 PM
Dec 2014

I'm beginning to see the chaff, for sure. I know what happened upthread. Patience is sometimes tried, humans will be human. Feelings here are sometimes very delicate and must be handled with kid gloves. Okay. The advocating part concerning DU in principle is not questioned by me, just some of the alleged advocators.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
119. So it becomes one big "go fuck yourselves" circle-jerk...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:06 PM
Dec 2014

where does that get anyone? We've got tremendous problems in this country, and they won't be solved by hysterical rants, name-calling, pleas to get fucked, etc.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
166. LOL 'Tis true, sometimes...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:10 AM
Dec 2014

won't argue with that. But enough with Meta and CTD's hide... on to TORTURE!

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
148. no he didn't
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:27 PM
Dec 2014

he dodged nothing, you dodged and then it was locked. You are a lapsing, I understand.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
104. I'm surprised
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:05 PM
Dec 2014

because I was told that very thing, "go fuck yourself" here in this forum by one of the 'elite', no alert, no hide, no one spoke up about that attack on me. The civility that you so want to hang on to at all cost got us no where either. Most people have to be more firm in their outrage of what is going on in RW amerika and the people here who, slyly, defend their behavior. Period. What has faux civility got us? A big defeat on Nov. 4, 2014, in part because there was/is no real outrage voiced by the many accommodating people passing themselves off as 'progressives' and 'liberals'. Period. Every time one of those fake clowns and outright racist raise their snake heads, I try my best to chop it off, metaphorically of course. Wouldn't want to offend.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
113. Share the elitist's "go fuck yourself," please.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:54 PM
Dec 2014

And I know curiosity killed the cat, but I'm curious.

And to your little crack about me wanting civility at all costs, stay calm and don't assume. I've been on this board since 2004 and "go fuck yourselves" is generally not accepted. I rarely alert, but that sort of thing may trigger my alert finger. Generally speaking, I'll vote to hide; others may vote to leave. "You take your chances."

So let me get this straight, we lost the 2014 midterms because DUers -- ON A MESSAGE BOARD -- did not stand up to "fake clowns and outright racists"? OMG, in the immortal words of our friend from Canada:



 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
116. Go find it yourself
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:01 PM
Dec 2014

my experience is enough for me, not to have to prove a thing to you. "Be calm", why is it that the intimation of absurd emotionalism is ALWAYS" the way out for some people. No I didn't say DUer's, just the 'civil, lazy democrats' in general as experienced at all levels of government for the last 6plus years. Good twist, nice big, big fail. Typical. you're of what ............ahh, what's the use. Stay in your world, you'll be much safer and comfy.......

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
124. The onus is on you, my friend, you made the accusation.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:19 PM
Dec 2014

So "civil, lazy democrats" at all levels of government are the problem? Obama's quite civil... do you have a problem with him? Are you referring to Dems who embrace the Sensible Centrist/No Labels bullshit, those who don't make waves unless it's against the farleftyleftists? Who specifically do you have in mind?

Exactly what world do you think I live in? Again, with the assumptions. It's really weak...

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
127. You don't merit
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:25 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:02 PM - Edit history (1)

the wasted time spent answering you, but I just wasted a little on you. Be happy I even addressed your skataa. No assumptions, just reality. Please your world is beginning to cause extreme boredom and vexation, irritation for the intellectual challenged.. Go harass someone else. I'm through with someone like you. You're too predictable and no real challenge, "my friend". bye bye

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
142. LOL Insults, victim mentality, accusations of harrassment...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:49 PM
Dec 2014

you got nuthin'.

And if the "elitist" who told you to go fuck yourself would please step forward, I'd appreciate it. And while you're at it, explain "skataa" to me.

Heh. Accusations of "elitist." It's just so right-wing...

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
144. Right
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:57 PM
Dec 2014

you got nuthin', yourself, never have in this exchange. And LOL myself, probably for the rest of the day. Have a good day I'm finished with you.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
118. "no alert, no hide, no one spoke up about that attack on me"
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:04 PM
Dec 2014

Why would you expect anyone else to do those things? Couldn't you have spoken up for yourself and/or alerted?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
121. I don't alert, ever
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:12 PM
Dec 2014

I don't need your condescension either. And rhetorically, why not? Go muddy someone else's pools, mine has been pissed in enough. I spoke back directly to the individual that said that, and NEVER heard from them again. How's that? I always speak up, directly unlike some on here who are incapable of finding a p.... to do that type of direct action.shrug:

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
123. yeah
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:16 PM
Dec 2014

you are. I was stating a point about the biased nature of alerting and who gets hidden vs who doesn't. If you can't wrap you mind around that, then yeah, you are pretty typical as well as understood for your simplicity.

Response to pintobean (Reply #126)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,150 posts)
134. You are being insulting to another DUer
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:30 PM
Dec 2014

I presume you want people to stick up for them, when you insult them by calling them 'simple'. So, please stop it.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
138. No I'm not
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:37 PM
Dec 2014

their snarkiness is insulting if anything. Go ahead and alert if you feel that way. Your right.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,150 posts)
141. They're not being 'snarky'
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:45 PM
Dec 2014

Here's what they've said to you:

"no alert, no hide, no one spoke up about that attack on me"

Why would you expect anyone else to do those things? Couldn't you have spoken up for yourself and/or alerted?

Then don't complain about posts not being hidden.

Pretty simple.

That's not 'snarky'. It's very straight-forward, honest and non-insulting. In return, you have called them 'simple'.
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
143. So you say
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:54 PM
Dec 2014

so what. I was making a point. The alerting is spotty and a form of personal attack on here sometimes. Any one can see that. I don't need anyone speaking up or alerting for me, what don't you understand about that.I was making a point of what I felt was the unfairness of another alert on another DUer. When I was accused of complaining, that was deflection and distraction to take away from the original point that "fuck off" was used against me and the standard that was applied then, no alert about that usage, should be the standard in all cases of the usage of that term which IT IS NOT. Deflection/distraction is something used very well by the many HERE. You can believe ANYTHING you choose to believe, and I stand by what I've written. Have a good day..

muriel_volestrangler

(101,150 posts)
130. So you never speak up for anyone else?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:28 PM
Dec 2014

If you never alert, you have nothing to complain about if no-one alerts on your behalf. The only excuse for never alerting is if you disagree with the whole alerting system to the extent that you don't want anyone to alert.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
137. I always speak up for people I
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:35 PM
Dec 2014

believe are sincere. And no I don't alert. What about that statement don't you understand? I don't care who alerts because maybe their fefe's got hurt, I go directly to the source of my irritation, of which can be found in abundance on this forum. You and any other can alert till hell freezes over. I do not care what your feeling on alerting is. I DON'T ALERT, EVER. Understood? geez

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
149. "Go fuck yourself" is less offensive than the racist, sexist, classist, *-ist twaddle
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:33 PM
Dec 2014

allowed to stand here as a difference of opinion even when it's clear that the opinion is counter to the TOS.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
150. I agree.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:37 PM
Dec 2014

But Chisolm's complaint of a post being hidden was being addressed. "You take your chances" ... 7 random jurors ... s/he shouldn't be surprised.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
151. And that's a problem with the "you take your chances" approach.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:41 PM
Dec 2014

One jury will hide based on slang language, the next may not.

If we had actual standards, juries would be able to handle such situations more consistently.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
31. You can't tell other DUers to "go fuck themselves", period
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:04 PM
Dec 2014

Even if you think they are bullies. It's not complicated.

Response to tkmorris (Reply #31)

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
41. Aren't you bullying other DUers by labeling them 'bullies'
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:14 PM
Dec 2014

and telling them to "go fuck themselves"?

Who made you DU God?

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
98. Eh...not really
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:43 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Bullying is really about dominating someone else. Telling someone to "go fuck themselves" is a dismissive act... so the two aren't simpatico.

If anything, labeling someone as a bully is more an attempt to identify someone's actions as something undesirable... so you could think of it in terms of attempting to influence another's actions through use of a label... not exactly an attempt at domination.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
43. None of that made sense
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:15 PM
Dec 2014

I am totally with you in our mutual distaste for bullies. HOWEVER, there are things you cannot say about other DUers, even generally, without repercussion. "Go fuck yourself" would be right near the top of that list. Furthermore, I never said you "think they are here" I said you "think they are bullies". There is a difference. I may even agree with your characterization, but it remains an opinion no matter how many agree with it. And you cannot break the rules of this site regardless of how angry at them you may get.

Also, I didn't forget anyone. It simply isn't relevant. There are rules here and you don't get to break them just because YOU think the target of your ire warrants it. It doesn't work that way.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
56. I had someone tell me that exact quote
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:23 PM
Dec 2014

about a post, none belligerent and not cussing. No hide. This selective shit is pretty disturbing. No one said a wordi n the negative about being told to "go fuck myself". Sometimes I just end up shaking my head about the selection of what and WHO is right or wrong here. So I'm not impressed with this call for civility when civility is selectively enforced on some and not others. MANY people here break the rules, but looking at who is allowed, I see they usually are high posters with many responses and/or paid up on their 'dues'.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
80. Some animals are more equal than others - Animal Farm
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:09 PM
Dec 2014

It is blatant and neon flashing, this imbalance of 'justice' (hahaaha, I made myself laugh).

Unavoidable mostly because we are like that, we have our pets and our favorites, etc., but the extent of the protection of a few here is right in your face inequality. Where one person can allude to something some alerter takes offense to and get the strap and another can roam about shitting all over with no rules at all.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
83. I've noticed that
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:13 PM
Dec 2014

to be true consistently.... I liked Orwell when I read him in the 60's and still like him now. So relevant, timeless. Yep, human nature is a m..........r.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
95. "You can't tell other DUers to "go fuck themselves", period" - Really?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:36 PM
Dec 2014

I'd be interested in knowing where in the TOS it specifies that.

hlthe2b

(101,714 posts)
2. I agree...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:19 AM
Dec 2014

Progressives should be known for tolerance and respect toward those of other races, ethnicities, low socio-economic-status, gender and gender orientation. This isn't nanny-statism nor political correctness gone in overdrive. It is basic respect.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
5. Unless you are talking about gun owners.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:22 AM
Dec 2014

Then all civil discourse is abandoned and any insult is allowed.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
8. If slurs attack all firearms owners, they should not be used.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:25 AM
Dec 2014

Many DUers, including myself, own firearms. Our reasons for doing so are varied, but I know of none who own firearms for nefarious reasons. When someone attacks all firearms owners as if they were the same, they are wrong.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
79. Gun owners
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:06 PM
Dec 2014

There are nuts who own guns. They could be referred to as gun nuts.

There are car nuts, too, balanced people who love their cars, and there are crazy people who love their cars as well.

You own guns and you are probably not crazy, so there is no reason to be offended by the term 'gun nut', 'car nuts' are not offended by that term.
I own guns (rifles specifically) and I'm not offended by the general use of the term, gun nuts.


oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
155. Are you a "ammosexual", do you have "the blood of children on your hands",
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:04 PM
Dec 2014

do you "wait for the opportunity to kill someone", are you "scared of everything"? These are but a few of the nicer things that these "civil" democrats say of legal firearms owners.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
96. Gun's, gunpowder
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:37 PM
Dec 2014

biggest mistake in human existence. Varying shades of excuse/defense here and many other places, about this subject of the 200million plus firearms in private hands in this country alone. All defenses/evasions of truth concerning guns all end up in the same place. Pro or con, no consensus. Just like the many other problems in this country which include but are not all of it's major issues, money in politics, racism, police violence and murders, sexism, LGBT rights ect.....they will not be solved to the satisfaction of a majority, EVER!!!! No, I won't stop trying, in my case, to fight vicious, mean, demeaning treatment at the hands of racist white people who are continually trying to take AWAY my human and civil/voting rights in this country. And those trying to do this are legion and won big Nov 3, 2014, With those of these racists that die many others are being trained to hate for the same various reasons every day. Our group has births, training everyday also, but no victory in sight in this generations old WAR................

hlthe2b

(101,714 posts)
10. One does not choose to be a specific gender, ethnicity, race, gender orientation, poor
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:27 AM
Dec 2014

Really not the same.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
85. Same type of inconsiderate people
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:21 PM
Dec 2014

who park their vehicle over two spaces, litter, tailgate with their brights on, cut in lines, lie, cheat and then vote right wing because of their paranoia about all of the liars and cheaters out there.

Friends don't let friends vote Republican.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
73. I don't understand the use of the word ammosexual.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:57 PM
Dec 2014

I see it used as a slur but for me to properly wrap my head around the term I have to assume the person is using it like they would Homosexual. A person would never use the word Heterosexual as a slur so people who use Ammosexual must use it towards gun owners in the same context they would use Homosexual towards gay people.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
167. I think it is an attempt to make a sexual slur gender neutral...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:28 PM
Dec 2014

unfortunately, it has the alliterative ring of "homosexual," as noted above. The whole slurring project is a work in progress because it has to bang into shape a credible slur against the nearly 20,000,000 women who own guns. It has failed in that endeavor. In any case, Penis talk is still routinely used because it's "safe" territory on DU.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
154. The term borrows a slur. One of several
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:48 PM
Dec 2014

acceptable words to smear gun-owners. The other "big" category are references to Penis. There is a lot of sexual content pushed by those who hate gun-owners whether gun-owners are male, female, GLBTQ or transgender.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
69. So if it is something you chose to do it's OK
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:54 PM
Dec 2014

To insult them, call them names and be rude?
If disrespect is a bad thing then it is always bad, not just in some cases.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
99. Exactly ... ownership of an inanimate object
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:53 PM
Dec 2014

...cannot be equated to "things" that are part of the very essence of a person.

There is a difference between racial/ethnic/gender/orientation slurs and boorish insults such as "gun humper" / "gun grabber."

One is HATE speech and the other is impolite .... When serving on a jury I will always hide hate speech (racial/ethnic/gender/orientation slurs) .... regarding impolite speech I will always look at the context.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
60. A juror remarked he/she would "never" hide a remark
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:29 PM
Dec 2014

critical of gun-owners. Seen a couple of those.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
6. Thank you. Again, my OP is not about any specific
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:23 AM
Dec 2014

post or DUers. It is a general request, and it is needed because too many threads are posted that include such slurs. This has happened for a long time, so I'm appealing to the community to make it clear that such slurs are not wanted on DU. That is the best way to deal with it, I think.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
58. I self identify as a "Progressive". But I don't share the "Tolerant" meme..
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:28 PM
Dec 2014

When we use the word "Tolerance".. we used to apply it in a way that suggests embracing "diversity". But now it seems we should be "tolerant" of everything including bullying, chauvinism, racism, bigotry.

I don't do "tolerance" any longer.

hlthe2b

(101,714 posts)
86. No--you are projecting something in the word "tolerance" that is so very wrong
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:22 PM
Dec 2014

and I could not resent more your implication that my adherence to tolerance to those of different races, ethnicities,gender, gender orientation implies I am tolerant of racism, bigotry, misogyny. That is not merely wrong.. It reflects the kind of thing I hear often from those defending racism, ethnic bigotry, misogyny and homophobia.

Time for you to reflect and rethink, perhaps

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
163. I'm afraid you don't understand my meaning.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:12 PM
Dec 2014

I'm saying that although the term "tolerance" is modern parlance for embracing diversity (race/gender/sexual orientation/etc), I'm arguing that the term ("tolerance) falls short and that we should discontinue the use of that word for that purpose.

I'm suggesting, that the word "tolerance" actually implies the minimum (at best) of embracing diversity. In other words, we just "tolerate" diversity as opposed to actually embracing diversity.

Think of other aspects of life and people that we "tolerate". Say for instance, we tolerate ignorant morons in public spaces, because we live in a "free country" and people are free to be morons. And what are we gonna do otherwise? Say, hey dude, you're a rude moron for cutting in front of me in line!

Or we tolerate our neighbor for brandishing a bumper sticker that says: Bush/Cheney or "America. Love it or Leave it". we don't run over and rip the bumper sticker off his car, we tolerate his ignorance. because, we have to. As grown ups, we tolerate stupid people.

I hope this clarifies.


F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
165. I think the poster doesn't use the word "tolerance"
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:55 PM
Dec 2014

For the same reason I no longer use the term "progressive" to describe myself. It's been used far too often by the wrong people. I hear right-wing Christians complaining about how people need to be more tolerant of their beliefs, as well as racists, homophobes, etc.

I don't think the poster meant to say that the word tolerance implies intolerance. Just that this particular word is often used by right-wingers for the opposite purpose.

Edit: or maybe not quite what he meant, apparently, but I still agree with what I said.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
22. Yes a thread was made this morning
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:41 AM
Dec 2014

It was over the top use of "cracker". Someone alerted and the jury let stand 4-3. It has been kinda ugly ever sense.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
44. Ah. Will dig it up later.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:17 PM
Dec 2014

Am ripping out an old dishwasher and thought I'd take a "fun" break on DU. Quite frankly, the demolition is more fun!

Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
75. lol, you'll have a greater sense of satisfaction at the end of the day.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:02 PM
Dec 2014

Good luck, I just did mine...had to call pop-in-law to help bail me out.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
107. LOL I do feel pretty good!
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:30 PM
Dec 2014

It's out, with, as far as I can tell, no flooding or electrical issues. And only two trips to the hardware store! Professionals will handle the installation, that's fer sure.

So, what's everybody fighting about now? I see Mr. or Ms. "Go Fuck Yourselves" has another hide. Oh, dear. I'll probably pull the plug again soon -- Mad Men on Netflix and a box of Christmas-y Oreos, or fighting on DU? Hmm, what to do, what to do...

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
12. Pendejo is not a slur on a recognizable group.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:32 AM
Dec 2014

It simply isn't. Anyone can be described with that word. It doesn't relate to any group at all.

So, I'd say you should feel free to call non-DUers "pendejos." However, it you call a DUer that in a reply, I will vote to hide it as a personal attack, because that's what it is. It's just not a bigoted personal attack.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. Better watch out, I hear she has a real mouth on her.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:37 AM
Dec 2014

Maybe you will get lucky and she doesn't speak Spanish.

Blue_Adept

(6,384 posts)
13. There needs to be a master list
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:34 AM
Dec 2014

So that it's the agreed upon list. Otherwise you get enough people saying "I didn't know!"

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
65. Bingo
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:40 PM
Dec 2014

I ran across the word "maroon" the other day in a jury alert, and I had no idea it was a slur. I thought it was from Bugs Bunny calling Elmer Fudd a moron, like when Yosemite Sam called someone an idjit rather than an idiot.

A master list would be good, maybe using polls to decide what goes on the list.

librechik

(30,663 posts)
17. Of course! And alert on those found
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:36 AM
Dec 2014

with the jury backup

no opinion on whether we should take on the comment and respond to it--don't feed the trolls!

however, sometimes I politely spank them just because I'm first on the scene…

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
51. that quote in that title
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:13 PM
Dec 2014

explained exactly what white cops are saying when referring to black people. That quote, only is offensive in the context of it being part of the police officers mentality. That poster was making an excellent point about offensive behavior, language of racist cops. False equivalency, in my book. The poster heard it from a cop.

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
74. It didn't need to be repeated...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:58 PM
Dec 2014

It was offensive, nonetheless. It was asked to be changed by many black members, and largely ignored and defended.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
77. if you say so.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:05 PM
Dec 2014

I DO NOT AGREE. The context it was used in needs to be out in front of people EVERYDAY. Then maybe enough of the 'right people' will get offended to REALLY address racism in america. You are entitled and many agree with your stance.

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
90. If someone needs a offensive slur spelled out for them to get offended...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:24 PM
Dec 2014

They're probably not the right people.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
30. Nice try but it won't make one bit of difference
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:04 PM
Dec 2014

if a too large part of this 'community' *cough, is here just to upset any apple cart they see. You won't be convincing anyone that isn't already tuned into the right thing to do.

Township75

(3,535 posts)
36. And please don't try to justify one racial slur because it is not as bad as another
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:09 PM
Dec 2014

Racism is racism and we don't need supposed liberals excusing racism as not too bad

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
42. Does this include
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:14 PM
Dec 2014

calling Republicans ReThugs, RePugs, RePukes, etc.?

By that I mean all racial, sexual, sexual orientation, and other slurs applied to groups of people...

Slurs that attack others or that are self-deprecating. There is never any useful service that is aided by their use, and we're supposed to be people who respect other people as groups. Individuals can be vile, awful people, and should be strongly criticized, but applying bigoted names of any kind to them should not be part of the DU community standards.


Republicans are a group. Surely you don't intend to protect them from derogatory and bigoted slurs?
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
47. I don't use those terms myself, but being a Republican is a choice reflecting political views
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:43 PM
Dec 2014

Race, gender and sexuality are inherent and intrinsic characteristics. So there is a difference. One is not born a Republican, just as one is not born a Democrat or a Vegan.
So while I personally just call Republicans Republicans because there is no worse word I can think of to hurl at a person, calling me a DemocRAT is not the same as calling me a f****t. One is cheap, annoying and childish, the other is a bit of vicious bigotry.
Does that help?

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
88. True, but
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:23 PM
Dec 2014

The OP was mentioning "groups" in general. He did not separate between voluntary and involuntary associations, so I had to ask. Republicans are a "group." Are we supposed to not call them names and slurs?

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
110. That's a voluntary group, not one that a default.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:42 PM
Dec 2014

I don't use those terms, though, at least not on a regular basis. I spell the word out as it is spelled.

I think most people understood what I meant, frankly.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
112. In response to your post, I have edited the OP
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:52 PM
Dec 2014

to include the word "involuntary" to modify "groups." I believe that most people understood that to be the meaning, but I see that not everyone did, so I clarified.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
45. It is a shame that some people here need to use terms that are derogatory.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:24 PM
Dec 2014

Yes I hide them and will continue to hide them.


Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
48. I always hide bigoted slurs. Always.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:55 PM
Dec 2014

but the very idea of "white racism" is just absurd on its face.

Turning this thing into a "bigotry" issue is equally absurd.






janlyn

(735 posts)
61. I am asked to be on a jury quite often,
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:30 PM
Dec 2014

I don't mind as I have no vested interest in one particular group on DU. As a high funtioning autistic, I despise bullies! And will vote to block bigotry and bullying. But I also see alerts for no other reason than a group of individuals disliking someones opinion. I think of these groups as no different than the cliques in schools, and truly feel said individuals have a case of arrested development.

Iggo

(47,487 posts)
63. Sure, if the person posting it is using it as a bigoted slur.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:35 PM
Dec 2014

No problem.

Oops, almost forgot: META!

dilby

(2,273 posts)
76. People should just use common courtesy.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:04 PM
Dec 2014

If someone asks you to change your post because they find a word offensive due to race, religion, sex and all the other things we hold dear then you should respect them as a person and change your post. I once used the R word in a post and my post was deleted, I felt terrible because if the person would have asked me to edit my post I would have. Since that time I no longer use the R word out of respect for my fellow DU'ers. Unfortunately common courtesy seems to be dead on the internet and people feel it's perfectly ok to use words here they would never utter out loud in public.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
81. I just got spanked for agreeing that 'cracker' was a racist term.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:09 PM
Dec 2014

Perhaps I should have called it a "race-based derogatory slur" and then I wouldn't have gotten spanked?

In either case, I think that derogatory slurs do nothing to further civil discourse. But maybe we've given up on civil discourse anyway...

dilby

(2,273 posts)
84. What do you mean spanked?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:14 PM
Dec 2014

Did you get a post deleted or just someone wanting to go on about how they are not a racist for using the term. Kind of like my racist uncle who says he is not a racist for using the N word because blacks use it all the time.

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
103. No, no deleted or alerted on or anything.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:01 PM
Dec 2014

Just told basically that I'm overreacting:

'Cracker' is as racist a term as 'blond' or 'Burt Bacharach fan' is.


Because being dismissive of someone else's point of view is such a great way to change their mind, yeah?

dilby

(2,273 posts)
108. I would apply the Presidential Test to the term.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:37 PM
Dec 2014

If I was to address a white President to his face as a Cracker would people consider that a racist term or would they consider it the same as me saying his hair was blond. I have a feeling people would see it as a racist term.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
87. if they weren't cowards they would hide ALL their passive-aggressive bullshit
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:23 PM
Dec 2014

I think they are DISGUSTING

tclambert

(11,080 posts)
89. How about "redneck?" Is that still considered a slur? Or did Jeff Foxworthy neutralize it?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:23 PM
Dec 2014

In general, I oppose efforts to censor words like: shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits. And while I have never quoted lyrics from a rap song, I might want to someday.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
92. I guess I don't see them like you do, MM...
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:25 PM
Dec 2014

I've seen more jury "no comments" than anything you describe. Maybe you've got more jury experience.

rogerashton

(3,918 posts)
114. There are differences.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:55 PM
Dec 2014

I've read several of these threads today. A lot of hot air has been blown about how some terms of derogation are OK while others should be avoided because it is ok to derogate some people but not others. The difference is not in the people. The difference is in the words.

Look, sure, "cracker" is a term of derogation for some southeastern white people. It expresses class prejudice. Growing up at the buckle of the Bible Belt, we nonpoor white folks used it in reference to Georgia and north Florida poor-whites. It wasn't quite as derogatory as "white-trash," but getting there.

Let me get a little closer to home. Many people would call the folks I grew up among "rednecks." It is descriptive. When my dad was driving a tractor for a living, he had a chronic sunburn about the shade of mahogany. I once got a reprimand for referring to myself as a "redneck" (for that reason). The person who reprimanded me said that in describing myself as a redneck, I was expressing racial prejudice against nonwhites, since, as everybody knows, the word "redneck" means "racist." Of course, she didn't think of herself as making a negative judgment based on skin color. I have heard people use the word "redneck" with the understanding that "rednecks" are not only racist but also ignorant, depraved, violent, and offensively poor. Nevertheless, if somebody calls me a "redneck," I frankly couldn't care less. It just doesn't matter very much to me.

But there are words that do matter. I don't think I need to tell anybody on this board what they are.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
131. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me whether any individual
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:29 PM
Dec 2014

doesn't feel angry about the use of a slur. I'm concerned with its effect on everyone. You aren't bothered by the term "redneck." Others are. So, I don't use it, because I have no wish to offend anyone through bigoted language.

I feel the same way about all such words. It doesn't matter if someone in the group isn't angered by a slur. Why would I care about that? I care about those who are affected, not the ones who aren't.

I'm an old white guy. I, quite frankly, don't give a damn about what people call me. However, I do care what people call other old white guys, if what they call them is a slur of some kind based on nothing more than they're talking about an old white guy. Geezer, gimper, whatever you like. Those are negative terms based on something a person has no control over. That is the very definition of a bigoted slur, and I don't like bigoted slurs.

I hope that clarifies.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
136. I have always vorted to hide bigoted and/or hate speech
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 04:31 PM
Dec 2014

... and will continue to do so.

I do not engage in bigoted and/or hate speech ... and do NOT intent to incorporate it into my postings or life.

Impolite, coarse or boorish speech is judged on a case by case basis

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
158. I make every jury decision I make, based on the alert and what it's alerted on and why.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:16 PM
Dec 2014

I'll be damned if I'll make a blanket commitment to vote one way or another because somebody else thinks I should.

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