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deminks

(11,006 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:14 PM Dec 2014

Senator compares CIA's actions to 'war crimes'

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/226427-sen-on-intel-committee-calls-cia-report-chilling

Sen. Angus King (I-Vt.) on Tuesday said the Senate Intelligence Committee’s controversial report on enhanced interrogation will reveal "chilling" information and compared the techniques that were used to war crimes.

“We did things, Alisyn, that we tried Japanese soldiers for war crimes for after World War II,” he told the host of CNN’s “New Day,” Alisyn Camerota.

“This is not America, this is not who we are, and what was done has diminished our stature and inflamed terrorists around the world.”

(snip)

King rejected that argument and said that the “heart of the report” shows that the methods didn’t produce solid leads.

“Did we torture people? Yes,” he said. “Did it work? No.”

(end snip)

Why would you waterboard anyone 183 times?
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Senator compares CIA's actions to 'war crimes' (Original Post) deminks Dec 2014 OP
Ya think? nt bemildred Dec 2014 #1
Angus King is Maine not Vt 4139 Dec 2014 #2
I know; WTF? eShirl Dec 2014 #8
The article has it wrong, that's all I was pointing out 4139 Dec 2014 #9
"This is not America, this is not who we are..." Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 #3
This has always been what Empire is. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #5
Except this is who we are and Republicans are damn proud of it. Bandit Dec 2014 #4
They were all scared patriots BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #6
You forgot the sarcasm thingy moonbeam23 Dec 2014 #11
This IS America, this IS who we are mindwalker_i Dec 2014 #7
This is exactly who we are. We starve children onecaliberal Dec 2014 #10
See moonbeam23 Dec 2014 #12
+1 Alkene Dec 2014 #20
"Compared" to war crimes? They absolutely ARE war crimes. tclambert Dec 2014 #13
+1 n/t Alkene Dec 2014 #21
Saw him live malaise Dec 2014 #14
deminks Diclotican Dec 2014 #15
There is justification to bring Cheney, Bush and others to trial albino65 Dec 2014 #16
To answer your question why 183 times. zeemike Dec 2014 #17
They were/are war crimes. What we did was in violation of the sinkingfeeling Dec 2014 #18
"Why would you waterboard anyone 183 times?" Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #19
No question - they are the very definition of war crime bhikkhu Dec 2014 #22

Baitball Blogger

(46,576 posts)
3. "This is not America, this is not who we are..."
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:25 PM
Dec 2014

Yeah, well, living through that era in a right-wing community that was loaded with military men and women, I can say that I don't think that even in the advent of this report it will change their minds. They were out for blood and were convinced that their commanding chief, George Bush, could do no wrong,

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
4. Except this is who we are and Republicans are damn proud of it.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:51 PM
Dec 2014

It has become quite obvious that there is no line that can't be crossed to insure their rabid paranoia is soothed. They are basically COWARDS of the very nth degree

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
7. This IS America, this IS who we are
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:59 PM
Dec 2014

America has a long and checkered history, probably starting before indians were given smallpox but that's the first one I know of.

Torture wasn't about getting information. It was about appearing to "do whatever it takes" to protect the country - appearing, not doing. So torture was a PR stunt. The same can be said about the TSA.

onecaliberal

(32,489 posts)
10. This is exactly who we are. We starve children
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:25 PM
Dec 2014

Elderly, veterans and unemployed.
We profit from mile high debt on student loans. We refuse healthcare to millions who are desperately poor because of the skin color or the POTUS. We allow the police to kill men in cold blood on the sidewalk in broad daylight without consequence. If you don't think torture is who we are you're not paying attention.

Alkene

(752 posts)
20. +1
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:17 PM
Dec 2014

"...this is not who we are..."

Really? It could only seem so if you haven't been paying attention since well before Bush II was re-elected. Well before.

It seems like an eternity since I first asked myself, is this how it feels to be a citizen of a rogue superpower?

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
15. deminks
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:48 PM
Dec 2014

deminks


WHAT CIA DID - was WAR CRIMES - AND THE Guilty ones - from the ones ordering the torture - to the men and women who did the crimes should be arrested - interrogated (using standard methods of course) - and then put on trial - and convicted of war crimes against humanity - and then, for the rest of their natural life - live in a SMALL place just enough for them to stand for 8 hours a day - and then to lie down and sleep - and then be awaken again when roll call is up every morning - at 5 in the morning - every day - all day every year to the day they die...

And then -the ashes of their remains should be thrown out over the sea - the pacific sound like a great place to dump their remains and their names should be shamed for the rest of history - in fact the truth about them should be lectured in high school or at the university/College level education - to warn young adults about what could happened if you let criminals in the government...

Diclotican

 

albino65

(484 posts)
16. There is justification to bring Cheney, Bush and others to trial
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:49 PM
Dec 2014

Referencing the trial of Adolf Eichmann, Simon Wiesenthal once said: "The world now understands the concept of 'desk murderer'. We know that one doesn't need to be fanatical, sadistic, or mentally ill to murder millions; that it is enough to be a loyal follower eager to do one's duty."* Eichmann's defense was that he was merely following orders. Everyone who has been in the military knows that you are not required to obey an illegal order.

*Nazi Hunter:The Wiesenthal File , by Alan Levy

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
17. To answer your question why 183 times.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:50 PM
Dec 2014

Because the sadists get a thrill from it, and apparently they were in charge.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
19. "Why would you waterboard anyone 183 times?"
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:47 PM
Dec 2014

They were trying to get him to admit he kidnapped the Lindberg baby.

bhikkhu

(10,708 posts)
22. No question - they are the very definition of war crime
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:36 PM
Dec 2014

Its odd that some people think they must not be war crimes because we did them, and of course we aren't a people that commit war crimes. Its quite easy to turn that corner.

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