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geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:14 PM Dec 2014

Grand Jury Refuses To Indict Cops Who Killed Man With Down Syndrome Who Wouldn’t Leave Movie

http://alternativemediasyndicate.com/2014/12/08/grand-jury-robert-ethan-saylor-no-cop-indictment/

A grand just just announced on Friday that they will not indict a Maryland police officer who killed an unarmed man who had Down Syndrome.

“They felt no further investigation was necessary,” Frederick County State’s Attorney J. Charles Smith, said about the death of Robert Ethan Saylor, 26.

Smith explained at a news conference just outside of the county courthouse, that “no crime had been committed.”

As with all grand juries, the proceedings were held in secrecy. Three deputies involved in the death were Lt. Scott Jewell, Sgt. Rich Rochford and Deputy First Class James Harris.

Saylor’s parents said they were “extremely disappointed and saddened and concerned.”

“This is a really hard day for them,” their attorney Sharon Krevor-Weisbaum said.

“They’re going to have to digest this unsettling news and determine their next step.”

The killing happened when cops arrived to force Saylor to leave a movie theater after he wanted to see “Zero Dark Thirty” a second time.

Police justified their killing by explaining that Saylor verbally and physically resisted their attempts to remove him from the theater.

Because of his large size, the officers say they had to use three sets of handcuffs on him and placed him on his stomach for “one to two minutes”. When he showed signs of distress, officers said they administered CPR and other First Aid. But back in February, the Chief Medical Examiner’s Office in Baltimore said that Saylor’s death was a homicide resulting from asphyxia.

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Grand Jury Refuses To Indict Cops Who Killed Man With Down Syndrome Who Wouldn’t Leave Movie (Original Post) geardaddy Dec 2014 OP
Damn. lonestarnot Dec 2014 #1
At some very early point, after grokking the situation, Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #2
You are the kind of person that needs to be a cop. geardaddy Dec 2014 #4
That would involve thinking and compassion. peace13 Dec 2014 #6
If you were a cop, there might still be some hope for this fucked-up KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #13
That poor family marym625 Dec 2014 #3
He was with his caregiver gwheezie Dec 2014 #5
Funny--I was once a psychologist in a very large facility for developmentally disabled people. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #8
Yeah, but ... GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #12
I did forensic psych nursing gwheezie Dec 2014 #14
If I recall from an article when it happened, the caregiver left him alone to get the car Beaverhausen Dec 2014 #16
"announced on Friday" jberryhill Dec 2014 #7
Thanks for the catch. geardaddy Dec 2014 #9
Not that it changes anything, of course jberryhill Dec 2014 #11
"Whadda ya in for Lefty?" rock Dec 2014 #10
why call the cops over this? frylock Dec 2014 #15
Great question. peace13 Dec 2014 #17
That was before we dropped bombs on anyone SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #20
There is a second group that is in as much danger as people of color etherealtruth Dec 2014 #18
Alright, Calista241 Dec 2014 #19

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
2. At some very early point, after grokking the situation,
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:21 PM
Dec 2014

Offisah Jackpine would have gone to the theater manager, said this Down syndrome guy wanted to watch the movie again, and it's gonna be a lot easier on us all, with no harm to anyone, if we just let him. If any of the "paying customers" object, just tell them it's a small courtesy you extend to special-needs people.

I guess that's why I'm not a cop.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
6. That would involve thinking and compassion.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:32 PM
Dec 2014

Two things lacking in many. I agree with you. My response is, where is the fire? They could tell that he had special needs. Make a call? Talk to him and find out who his family is. My guess is that if they gave him a phone with mom/dad/friend on the other end that they would have been able to talk him into leaving. If they had, my guess is that these cops still would have sited him for something. Or as you suggest, start the darn movie, make the call and have someone come to take him home.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
5. He was with his caregiver
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:30 PM
Dec 2014

I've read several articles about this incident. She was trying to negotiate with him.
What I think every community needs is a mental health worker they can call to a scene who can intervene to avoid this kind of confrontation. They also need to allow for time to negotiate. They also need to know the proper way to restrain someone and that is not face down. They also have to consider any obvious high risk and adjust their response when they restrain.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
8. Funny--I was once a psychologist in a very large facility for developmentally disabled people.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:39 PM
Dec 2014

All new employees had to go through training that included, among other things, several hours devoted to gentle and non-injurious methods of physical restraint. And we used that training fairly often.

One of the things you learn in that line of work is that clip-on ties are a Godsend.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
14. I did forensic psych nursing
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:40 PM
Dec 2014

And now do psych crisis. Every year I have to recertify for non violent crisis intervention. We absolutely can never restrain anyone face down. They stop breathing when you do that.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
16. If I recall from an article when it happened, the caregiver left him alone to get the car
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:46 PM
Dec 2014

and that is when the trouble started. He walked back into the theatre alone and that is when cops were called.

Not saying what the cops did wasn't wrong-of course it was, but I wonder why the caregiver didn't take him to the car with her? Not really smart to leave him alone.

rock

(13,218 posts)
10. "Whadda ya in for Lefty?"
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:54 PM
Dec 2014

"I wouldn't leave the the theater. Now shut up or I'll give you some of the same!" Yeah, insanity.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
15. why call the cops over this?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:07 PM
Dec 2014

who made that decision, and why? the caregiver was actively working with Saylor in an attempt to convince him that they needed to go.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
17. Great question.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:36 PM
Dec 2014

Remember when people were sane? In today's world it is prudent to call the police and the Coast Guard.....as a last resort.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
20. That was before we dropped bombs on anyone
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 06:16 PM
Dec 2014

who might pose a threat to us sometime in the future...

Shoot first ask questions later... Sadly, that used to be a joke.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
18. There is a second group that is in as much danger as people of color
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:47 PM
Dec 2014

People with mental illness or people with cognitive impairments seem to be at just as much risk as people of color.

This is sick , perverse and more evidence of out of control police

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
19. Alright,
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:57 PM
Dec 2014

I'm sure this isn't going to jibe with the "Cops SUCK" and "all Cops are serial killers" meme here at the moment, but what are the cops supposed to do in this case?

They confronted him about how his actions weren't acceptable and the guy became unruly. They put handcuffs on him and due to several physical factors, the suspect died. They tried to save him, and he expired anyway.

It's not like they shot him 60 times from 4 different guns, or shoved a broomstick up his ass.

This is the real world, and sometimes tragic things happen in the course of normal events. It sucks, but I have trouble finding fault with the cops in this case.

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